Spun off from the VCU would nudge new conference ahead of ACC (w/Xavier & Butler) thread

Georgetown #21
Marquette #83
Villanova #1 Regional--Northern
Providence #4 Regional--Northern
Seton Hall #131
Depaul #134
St Johns #157

And, the rankings for the candidates, (and other schools with C-7 board posters):
Butler #2 REgional--Midwest
Xavier #4 Regional--Midwest
DAyton #115 National
Creighton #1 REgional--Midwest
SLU #92 National
VCU #170 National
Wichita State--"Rank Not Published"--National
George Mason #139
Richmond #28 National Liberal Universities (Added)

The schools who left us behind:
#17 Notre Dame
#31 Boston College
#44 Miami
#58 Syracuse
#58 Pitt
#68 Rutgers
#72 Virginia Tech
#139 Cincinnati (oops, added)
#160 Louisville
#165 West Virginia

The schools we left behind:
#51 Tulane
#58 SMu
#63 UConn
#125 Temple
#139 Cincinnati
#165 San Diego State (football-only)
#170 South Florida
#174 UCF
#184 Houston
#199 East Carolina

University of Richmond #28 National Liberal Arts

So what are C7 member's thoughts on this?

(12-28-2012 09:54 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  So what are C7 member's thoughts on this?

It's hard to speak for the administrators. I can only say what I would want if I were them.

If I'm Georgetown or Villanova, I want this to look as little as possible like a band-of-brothers and as much as possible like an assemblage of hired mercenaries. I don't think they want to be "branded" in a group with Seton Hall and St Johns.

We get a little insight into the athletically-questionable adds of SMU and Tulane--that might mean that Creighton's academic quality might count for a lot more than we would think. VCU's academic profile isn't that much worse than Cincinnati or Louisville or West Virginia, but their athletic resume is a lot thinner. (I still want them, but it's not about me).

This in a nutshell explains why Xavier, Dayton, Butler, Creighton, St. Louis and Richmond are the top candidates. There is more to realignment than just basketball

(12-28-2012 10:22 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  This in a nutshell explains why Xavier, Dayton, Butler, Creighton, St. Louis and Richmond are the top candidates. There is more to realignment than just basketball

That's what I mean by institutional fit. I think it's actually going to matter a LOT for the administrators. This is where I diverge from johnbragg - I think that it is very much aimed toward being more "band of brothers"-like than just collecting the best basketball teams, although to be sure, the institutional fits and best basketball programs (unless we start talking about including far west schools like Gonzaga) are pretty much one and the same. The one conflict seems to be between SLU (very much the better institutional fit) and VCU (much better on-the-court success). Everyone else pretty much has the proper combo of on-court and off-the- court cred.

(12-29-2012 12:12 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 10:22 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  This in a nutshell explains why Xavier, Dayton, Butler, Creighton, St. Louis and Richmond are the top candidates. There is more to realignment than just basketball

That's what I mean by institutional fit. I think it's actually going to matter a LOT for the administrators. This is where I diverge from johnbragg - I think that it is very much aimed toward being more "band of brothers"-like than just collecting the best basketball teams, although to be sure, the institutional fits and best basketball programs (unless we start talking about including far west schools like Gonzaga) are pretty much one and the same. The one conflict seems to be between SLU (very much the better institutional fit) and VCU (much better on-the-court success). Everyone else pretty much has the proper combo of on-court and off-the- court cred.

Well you can see why Xavier and Butler are locks and Dayton and Creighton are near locks. But I think you may see SLU/Creighton, Butler/Xavier, and Marquette/DePaul.

I'm glad Butler shows up well on these things, but lets real, it's all secondary.

The teams that make up this conference will be the ones that BOTH the presidents and the television partners find best.

Saw something on the Marquette board about Gonzaga seeking basketball only admittance.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it became Gonzaga, Creighton, and VCU joining Xavier and Butler.

Another thing to keep an eye on as this moves forward is seeing when/if those teams recognize they have more gravitas than the original 7. They clearly do, if for some reason they acted together

(12-29-2012 11:23 AM)Title Wrote:  I'm glad Butler shows up well on these things, but lets real, it's all secondary.

The teams that make up this conference will be the ones that BOTH the presidents and the television partners find best.

Saw something on the Marquette board about Gonzaga seeking basketball only admittance.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it became Gonzaga, Creighton, and VCU joining Xavier and Butler.

Another thing to keep an eye on as this moves forward is seeing when/if those teams recognize they have more gravitas than the original 7. They clearly do, if for some reason they acted together

Doesn't help when Providence loses to Brown, Villanova barely beats NJIT and Seton Hall barely beats Stony Brook (perception wise).

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...on-friday/

Providence hasnt had a complete and healthy team all season. that said they still should have beaten Brown.
Will anyone really remember in a fewmonths that seton hall and villanova struggled this week? they got the W and thats what matters the most