(12-27-2012 06:54 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 06:33 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I really don't get people talking about winning out. UTEP has beaten us every year since 2009-10 including at home last year when they were terrible. SMU beat us two out of the last three years (with coach Doh.) Houston beat us twice. The only teams that haven't beaten us are Tulane and UAB. Does anyone think we're playing that much better basketball than we did the last three years? Or that 12th place (this year) is that much worse than 11th place (our normal spot) for C-USA?

People who have criticized TC for his outrageous posts and are now speculating about us going 16-0 in conference after the start we've had this year should seriously consider an online apology to the guy. We will, once again, need to win the tournament (away from home) to keep from sweating out selection Sunday. And anyone who wants to call me a miserable for stating the obvious please put some math behind your argument, including the probability for going undefeated in conference. That, I'd like to see.

Here is your math...We were 6 points away from being 16-0 last year.

"But 30-3 is very unlikely." Recognize that quote from earlier today?

(12-27-2012 03:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 02:49 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:10 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:05 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  Joe Jackson almost single-handedly won that UTEP game.

So we like him now?

Imo, he is being mishandled badly along with alot of the other players. The guy should be a top flight, reliable point guard by now.

And don't forget Joe also went something like 12-12 at the free throw line down the stretch against Xavier to seal that victory.

So, you're saying he's coached to turn the ball over and choose poor shots because the staff feels he's more useful sulking on the bench?

Yep, every shortcoming a player has is because of coaching...

No, it is that the coach has stunted his development by not allowing Joe to work through his mistakes.

As I have noted before, Darius Washington had a NEGATIVE assist to turnover ratio his sophomore year. Did Cal bench him for a more "pure" point guard in Andre Allen (1.9:1 a/to ratio)? Hell no. Cal understood that the good that Darius brought outweighed the stupid turnovers he was going to make.

Iverson as a frosh had 133 assists and 132 turnovers. He shot 39% from the field, 22% from three and 68.8% from the line. He also averaged 32.2 minutes a game.

Iverson improved his shooting % the next year, but still only had a 1.24:1 a/to ratio. granted, AI is far more skilled than Joe, BUT certainly part of AI's progression was due to the fact he knew he was in for better or worse and the coach had confidence in him.

At no point has Pastner both said that AND lived by his word. Even this year, four games into the season Pastner was benchng the guy.

You know Joe is second on the team in minutes played, and will most likely be first after this weekend? You make it sound like Pastner has exiled him.


Perhaps some of you guys need to take a week off from this board to gain a bit of perspective. People are starting to go off the rails a bit.

(12-27-2012 09:51 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 03:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 02:49 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:10 AM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 11:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  So we like him now?

Imo, he is being mishandled badly along with alot of the other players. The guy should be a top flight, reliable point guard by now.

And don't forget Joe also went something like 12-12 at the free throw line down the stretch against Xavier to seal that victory.

So, you're saying he's coached to turn the ball over and choose poor shots because the staff feels he's more useful sulking on the bench?

Yep, every shortcoming a player has is because of coaching...

No, it is that the coach has stunted his development by not allowing Joe to work through his mistakes.

As I have noted before, Darius Washington had a NEGATIVE assist to turnover ratio his sophomore year. Did Cal bench him for a more "pure" point guard in Andre Allen (1.9:1 a/to ratio)? Hell no. Cal understood that the good that Darius brought outweighed the stupid turnovers he was going to make.

Iverson as a frosh had 133 assists and 132 turnovers. He shot 39% from the field, 22% from three and 68.8% from the line. He also averaged 32.2 minutes a game.

Iverson improved his shooting % the next year, but still only had a 1.24:1 a/to ratio. granted, AI is far more skilled than Joe, BUT certainly part of AI's progression was due to the fact he knew he was in for better or worse and the coach had confidence in him.

At no point has Pastner both said that AND lived by his word. Even this year, four games into the season Pastner was benchng the guy.

You know Joe is second on the team in minutes played, and will most likely be first after this weekend? You make it sound like Pastner has exiled him.


Perhaps some of you guys need to take a week off from this board to gain a bit of perspective. People are starting to go off the rails a bit.

Then what he did in the Minn game is even MORE head scratching?

Joe played 7 minutes in that game? Then the next game he was "moved" off of PG. How many changes and interruptions in a player's development go on?

And again, in the Minn game it wasn't like he was benching Joe in a 30 point blowout win. Memphis was LOSING and Hollins was lighting up everyone not named Joe Jackson in that game (37 of his 41 points came with Joe OFF the court).

(12-27-2012 04:57 PM)boss man Wrote:  Pastner is still coach and will be coach through the next 2 years...at MINIMUM. I know that irritates the hell out of hte Pastner-bashers but it is what it is.

Oral Roberts up next.

If you think that Pastner is immune from being removed at the end of this year you are fooling yourself. All he has to do is miss the tournament and its over.

We will lose at least 3 games in CUSA this year. We are far too undisciplined to go on a long winning streak like Cal's teams....even against a pathetic version of CUSA.

(12-28-2012 02:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 04:57 PM)boss man Wrote:  Pastner is still coach and will be coach through the next 2 years...at MINIMUM. I know that irritates the hell out of hte Pastner-bashers but it is what it is.

Oral Roberts up next.

If you think that Pastner is immune from being removed at the end of this year you are fooling yourself. All he has to do is miss the tournament and its over.

I don't think that will happen. There is too much talent coming in to make that kind of a move.

I predicted in another thread that we'll lose three more regular season games and go into the conference tourney at 25-6.

(12-28-2012 02:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 04:57 PM)boss man Wrote:  Pastner is still coach and will be coach through the next 2 years...at MINIMUM. I know that irritates the hell out of hte Pastner-bashers but it is what it is.

Oral Roberts up next.

If you think that Pastner is immune from being removed at the end of this year you are fooling yourself. All he has to do is miss the tournament and its over.

We all know there is virtually zero percent chance of that happening.

(12-28-2012 04:18 PM)3601 Wrote:  I predicted in another thread that we'll lose three more regular season games and go into the conference tourney at 25-6.

I just can't see 3 losses with this schedule and this much beef in the frontcourt.

I'd be shocked.

I knew the last few years multiple conf losses were possible because of us only having 1 real big. Not the case now.

(12-28-2012 04:42 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 04:18 PM)3601 Wrote:  I predicted in another thread that we'll lose three more regular season games and go into the conference tourney at 25-6.

I just can't see 3 losses with this schedule and this much beef in the frontcourt.

I'd be shocked.

I knew the last few years multiple conf losses were possible because of us only having 1 real big. Not the case now.

Sounds like you agree with me that talent is not a problem. We are super talented. So, if we lose 3 more games will you finally put some blame on the coaching?

(12-28-2012 06:21 PM)Neidermeyer Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 04:42 PM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 04:18 PM)3601 Wrote:  I predicted in another thread that we'll lose three more regular season games and go into the conference tourney at 25-6.

I just can't see 3 losses with this schedule and this much beef in the frontcourt.

I'd be shocked.

I knew the last few years multiple conf losses were possible because of us only having 1 real big. Not the case now.

Sounds like you agree with me that talent is not a problem. We are super talented. So, if we lose 3 more games will you finally put some blame on the coaching?

Good grief.

I been putting blame on the coaching for underachieving for the last 3 years.

I've posted it several times this week alone.

You Nancies just think that if people don't agree with you daily that he should be fired then we think he isn't underachieving.

I don't think there is a single person in Memphis who doesn't think he has underachieved.

Yet some pretend they have unique insight for know it. lol