(12-24-2012 02:46 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Tulane - Yes

ECU for fb only - No

This lol

(12-24-2012 02:43 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  As you all know, i have wanted out of the Big East since the real big east teams started leaving and the new wave started coming in.

That said, we're here and the best we can do is make the most of it.

With the additions of ECU and Tulane, we saw the Catholic schools bail, the western schools start looking elsewhere, and a drastic cut in our projected money.

Had those additions instead been Fresno & UNLV, or some other combination of western schools, i think its safe to assume SDSU and Boise wouldnt be looking elsewhere.

I'd like to have this thread to discuss how catestrophically bad the additions of ECU and Tulane were. Who made that call? Whos idea was this? Why did they not see this causing the backlash it did? Did Boise, SDSU, and the Catholics say anything before the invites went out? Why didnt USF, UC, and UConn listen? Many questions here.

ECU should have been invited for football in 2005, perhaps instead of USF who had done nothing at the time to warrant the invite. Other than being in a good TV market.

The Big East should have been more aggressive early in the realignment game. If they had added ECU, UCF, maybe Houston in 2005 along with UL, USF, Cincy, they would have given them plenty of time to grow their profile while the BCS bid was still secure. Now it will be harder without the auto bid. Having the auto bid is the main reason UL, Cincy, and UsF were able to grow more during that time.

Tulane was a strange add I have to admit. I respect the school and the market but competitively they have not done much since Sean King and Tommy Bowden in 1998. One school added doesn't ruin the conference. There are bottom feeders in every league. New Orleans is a cool place so Tulane is fine by me.

(12-24-2012 03:50 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  The basketball schools voted for Tulane. I'm not sure how the ruined anything.

No. NO. We definitely needed another thread on this. Don't you see? We have venerable college football powers like Cincinnati and South Florida that are being forced into humiliating indignity here. A demand for the redress of these grievances must be satisfied.

Tulane is pure awesomeness, so it must have been ECU that doomed the big east.

I hope USF is in a league with ECU for a long long time.

The answer is, no.

The problem was the continued focus on the east and the C7.

Neither ECU or Tulane should have been added as quickly as they were after the Rutgers and Louisville departure. If the league office had completely canvassed the membership at that point and acted with due deliberation instead of acting precipitously, then it might've been clear that nothing was keeping the C7 around, and that a continued emphasis on the east was misguided.

It's not hard to figure out why Boise and SDSU have some hard questions that need to be answered.

A big part of the problem was the signal it sent. That was a perfect opportunity to start up a western division. With the C7 schools leaving, it could of even been all sports. Blown opportunity. Try and fit Tulane and ECU into this league now.

Also, the BE at 8 was perfect before the defections. With TCU coming in and possibly Navy, Houston or UCF as 10, we were in great shape to get a very good deal.

(12-24-2012 03:29 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 02:43 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  As you all know, i have wanted out of the Big East since the real big east teams started leaving and the new wave started coming in.

That said, we're here and the best we can do is make the most of it.

With the additions of ECU and Tulane, we saw the Catholic schools bail, the western schools start looking elsewhere, and a drastic cut in our projected money.

Had those additions instead been Fresno & UNLV, or some other combination of western schools, i think its safe to assume SDSU and Boise wouldnt be looking elsewhere.

I'd like to have this thread to discuss how catestrophically bad the additions of ECU and Tulane were. Who made that call? Whos idea was this? Why did they not see this causing the backlash it did? Did Boise, SDSU, and the Catholics say anything before the invites went out? Why didnt USF, UC, and UConn listen? Many questions here.

Not at all. You stated in your first paragraph. You have been wanting to get out since the first teams were leaving. Just so you know. They wanted out as soon as USF was added. You are no Miami in their eyes. As the cycle churns.

You werent around for the 8 years between USFs arrival and now. For the first 6, we were all very happy and had great friendships and rivalries. This forum was nothing but schools rooting for each others schools, absolutely no bashing. The amount of togetherness we had prior to Cuse & Pitt leaving was awesome.

The BE was completely F---ed, long before we ever joined.

It has been terrific for us, but, in its form, could simply never last. No one in particular's fault. Just too many contrary interests for it to thrive.

(12-24-2012 02:50 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Should have been after UNLV/Fresno all sports. Then you could offer ECU All Sports and wait for the next defection before Tulane.

UNLV/Fresno/Anyone West of Dallas for all sports was not an option while the C7 were still on board so that is just revisionist history.

I'm glad a program that will lead the entire league in FB attendance the day we get here is the reason this league is "doomed." It's nice to know that having fans that actually buy tickets is the worst thing possible.

(12-24-2012 03:16 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  Finally. The one thing this board lacked was a thread dedicated the proposition that Tulane ruined this conference.

Merry Christmas everyone.

The Tulane Obsession continues....

I think the western additions are wondering if the money will really be what was promised initially. WVU, Cuse, Pitt, Rutgers, and UofL were all high profile and now they're gone, that has to affect the $$.

Can't we all get along?

(12-24-2012 04:34 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm glad a program that will lead the entire league in FB attendance the day we get here is the reason this league is "doomed." It's nice to know that having fans that actually buy tickets is the worst thing possible.

You could argue that both ECU and Memphis were deserving of invites over USF. If this were 4-5 years ago I would have no issue with ECU being added, unfortunately I have lost complete interest in following this league.

ahhh Yes. Here we go again. I'll say it again: When we start bussin' ASS, I can't wait to read and hear the critics. We tried to tell you guys, but you're not listening.

(12-24-2012 04:32 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 02:50 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Should have been after UNLV/Fresno all sports. Then you could offer ECU All Sports and wait for the next defection before Tulane.

UNLV/Fresno/Anyone West of Dallas for all sports was not an option while the C7 were still on board so that is just revisionist history.

So by voting ECU/TU in the C7 bailed followed by BSU looking to bail. So I guess the answer to the question would have to be yes then.

Why cant invites be given to Western members now? UCONN/Cincy/USF are the only voting members left correct?

It was doomed before we got here (reference all the schools jumping ship...)

(12-24-2012 03:57 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 02:43 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  As you all know, i have wanted out of the Big East since the real big east teams started leaving and the new wave started coming in.

That said, we're here and the best we can do is make the most of it.

With the additions of ECU and Tulane, we saw the Catholic schools bail, the western schools start looking elsewhere, and a drastic cut in our projected money.

Had those additions instead been Fresno & UNLV, or some other combination of western schools, i think its safe to assume SDSU and Boise wouldnt be looking elsewhere.

I'd like to have this thread to discuss how catestrophically bad the additions of ECU and Tulane were. Who made that call? Whos idea was this? Why did they not see this causing the backlash it did? Did Boise, SDSU, and the Catholics say anything before the invites went out? Why didnt USF, UC, and UConn listen? Many questions here.

ECU should have been invited for football in 2005, perhaps instead of USF who had done nothing at the time to warrant the invite. Other than being in a good TV market.

The Big East should have been more aggressive early in the realignment game. If they had added ECU, UCF, maybe Houston in 2005 along with UL, USF, Cincy, they would have given them plenty of time to grow their profile while the BCS bid was still secure. Now it will be harder without the auto bid. Having the auto bid is the main reason UL, Cincy, and UsF were able to grow more during that time.

Tulane was a strange add I have to admit. I respect the school and the market but competitively they have not done much since Sean King and Tommy Bowden in 1998. One school added doesn't ruin the conference. There are bottom feeders in every league. New Orleans is a cool place so Tulane is fine by me.

ECU should have been added in 1991 when WVU, VT, Rutgers, Miami and Temple were added. It was much closer then most folks on this board would ever know. Big East Commissioner at the time called Dave Hart the ECU AD to let him know we did not make it but how tough a decision it was. Miami and WVU were absolute slam dunk no brainers. VT, ECU and Temple were all toss ups. VT had a higher Academic profile and only had UVA to compete with in Virginia. Our facilities and resumes otherwise were close. Temple had one winning Football season in over a decade while ECU was working on a 11-1 #9 Final Poll ranking. Safe to say that if ECU had been added over Temple that we most likely do not get kicked out of the Big East. Without the Big East we had a Top 25 finish again in 1995 and couple near misses as well in the few years after that Big East expansion. ECU most likely would have grown by leaps and bounds but unlike VT we most likely end up in the Big East for a long time because no way the NC schools ever would have voted to bring us in the ACC.

If we had BCS access to recruit on during the 90's at the same time we were already beating Top 10 teams like Miami and beating Stanford in the Liberty and Texas Tech in another Bowl our history would have been a lot different IMO but the Big East certainly would have had a stable program in their ranks that they had less to worry about losing.

(12-24-2012 04:31 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  A big part of the problem was the signal it sent. That was a perfect opportunity to start up a western division. With the C7 schools leaving, it could of even been all sports. Blown opportunity. Try and fit Tulane and ECU into this league now.

Also, the BE at 8 was perfect before the defections. With TCU coming in and possibly Navy, Houston or UCF as 10, we were in great shape to get a very good deal.

(12-24-2012 03:29 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 02:43 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  As you all know, i have wanted out of the Big East since the real big east teams started leaving and the new wave started coming in.

That said, we're here and the best we can do is make the most of it.

With the additions of ECU and Tulane, we saw the Catholic schools bail, the western schools start looking elsewhere, and a drastic cut in our projected money.

Had those additions instead been Fresno & UNLV, or some other combination of western schools, i think its safe to assume SDSU and Boise wouldnt be looking elsewhere.

I'd like to have this thread to discuss how catestrophically bad the additions of ECU and Tulane were. Who made that call? Whos idea was this? Why did they not see this causing the backlash it did? Did Boise, SDSU, and the Catholics say anything before the invites went out? Why didnt USF, UC, and UConn listen? Many questions here.

Not at all. You stated in your first paragraph. You have been wanting to get out since the first teams were leaving. Just so you know. They wanted out as soon as USF was added. You are no Miami in their eyes. As the cycle churns.

You werent around for the 8 years between USFs arrival and now. For the first 6, we were all very happy and had great friendships and rivalries. This forum was nothing but schools rooting for each others schools, absolutely no bashing. The amount of togetherness we had prior to Cuse & Pitt leaving was awesome.

Well, then there is your answer. What does Tulane and ECU have to do with anything?

I reject the idea that the BE has been doomed. The paradigm has just changed. The conference will still survive and be relevant. It will take some time..but..I can see it coming out of this stronger down the road because of it going national instead of regional. I fully expect the West inventory to consist of the current members plus BSU,SDSU, ECU,Fresno and either UNLV for all sports or AFA fb only before July 2013.