(12-24-2012 11:27 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 04:35 PM)transitt Wrote:  Geron Johnson is the best player in CUSA right now.

Whatever. He's not even in the top 10 most productive players in CUSA. Usually the best players are actually doing big things on the court.

Quote:If Adonis will start attacking the rim and stop jacking up threes....well....

He'd still be as overrated and unproductive as he has been from the first day he stepped on a college court.

Jonesing, the unproductive player is still averaging double figure scoring. As far as Geron is concerned, you simply have no idea what you are talking about.


Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2

(12-24-2012 11:27 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 04:35 PM)transitt Wrote:  Geron Johnson is the best player in CUSA right now.

Whatever. He's not even in the top 10 most productive players in CUSA. Usually the best players are actually doing big things on the court.

Quote:If Adonis will start attacking the rim and stop jacking up threes....well....

He'd still be as overrated and unproductive as he has been from the first day he stepped on a college court.

May the miracle, joy, and true reason for the Christmas season help temper the struggles that some folks wrestle with daily.

Merry Christmas Jonesing.

(12-25-2012 08:33 AM)transitt Wrote:  Jonesing, the unproductive player is still averaging double figure scoring.

His Player Efficiency Rating is below the adjusted college average. He's not even been as productive as the average college player.

Quote:As far as Geron is concerned, you simply have no idea what you are talking about.

You also said Adonis Thomas would be the best player in CUSA. You show no respect for guys like Clanton, Thomas, Kemp, Davis etc when you declare a guy like Geron thats not even the most productive player on your team much less anywhere near the top of the conference at this point. Just look around at the kind of seasons some of these players are having before you make a statement like that.

(12-25-2012 10:52 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-25-2012 08:33 AM)transitt Wrote:  Jonesing, the unproductive player is still averaging double figure scoring.

His Player Efficiency Rating is below the adjusted college average. He's not even been as productive as the average college player.

Quote:As far as Geron is concerned, you simply have no idea what you are talking about.

You also said Adonis Thomas would be the best player in CUSA. You show no respect for guys like Clanton, Thomas, Kemp, Davis etc when you declare a guy like Geron thats not even the most productive player on your team much less anywhere near the top of the conference at this point. Just look around at the kind of seasons some of these players are having before you make a statement like that.

You just lost the argument when you said he isn't the most productive player on our team. You are looking only at numbers and not what actually happens in games.

You can talk numbers all you want, but numbers don't mean 'best player'. Derrick Rose wasn't the top producer on the 07-08 team. Are you telling me that Chris Douglas Roberts is better than Derrick Rose?

...the arguments are ridiculous...what matters is wins and losses...as in golf, they only ask you how many, not how...when it comes to tournament selection...well...do the math

(12-25-2012 11:46 AM)transitt Wrote:  You just lost the argument when you said he isn't the most productive player on our team. You are looking only at numbers and not what actually happens in games.

You can talk numbers all you want, but numbers don't mean 'best player'. Derrick Rose wasn't the top producer on the 07-08 team. Are you telling me that Chris Douglas Roberts is better than Derrick Rose?

I never said any of that, but it's not unthinkable to say it because it has nothing to do with future potential and what a player can become, or having skills made for the NBA. CDR as a junior compared to Rose as a Freshman, CDR may very well could have been the better college player in 2008 with his talent and experience and the college game being different. He had the better year by most accounts, that's why CDR was the POY in CUSA, and the stats backed it up although it was pretty close.

PER
Douglas Roberts 27.8
Derrek Rose 24.1

The point is you guys just can't imagine the best player in the league might not be at Memphis and you'll just declare everyone on your team best in the league. You can't even decide which one it is and it's subject to change week by week with you guys as to which one it actually is.

You're right. When our guys run circles around the other supposed 'best in the league' we tend to think our guys are better. I know you like your little rating. It means less than actually watching the guys play.

Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2

All I can say is that if it's only top 30 rpi teams we lose to the rest of the regular season we're very safe in CUSA.

(12-25-2012 10:52 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  ...
You also said Adonis Thomas would be the best player in CUSA. You show no respect for guys like Clanton, Thomas, Kemp, Davis etc when you declare a guy like Geron thats not even the most productive player on your team much less anywhere near the top of the conference at this point.
...

(12-25-2012 04:09 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-25-2012 11:46 AM)transitt Wrote:  You just lost the argument when you said he isn't the most productive player on our team. You are looking only at numbers and not what actually happens in games.

You can talk numbers all you want, but numbers don't mean 'best player'. Derrick Rose wasn't the top producer on the 07-08 team. Are you telling me that Chris Douglas Roberts is better than Derrick Rose?

I never said any of that, but it's not unthinkable to say it because it has nothing to do with future potential and what a player can become, or having skills made for the NBA. CDR as a junior compared to Rose as a Freshman, CDR may very well could have been the better college player in 2008 with his talent and experience and the college game being different. He had the better year by most accounts, that's why CDR was the POY in CUSA, and the stats backed it up although it was pretty close.

PER
Douglas Roberts 27.8
Derrek Rose 24.1

The point is you guys just can't imagine the best player in the league might not be at Memphis and you'll just declare everyone on your team best in the league. You can't even decide which one it is and it's subject to change week by week with you guys as to which one it actually is.

I don't know who the best player in the conference is, or who has the highest efficiency rating. However, you made a statement, transitt called you out on it, and you denied making the statement.

That's clearly what happened above.

FWIW, for folks that pay attention, that's not good for Jonesing's credibility and believability.....if credibility is important to you.

Hope you had a great Christmas, StillJonesing.

I never said a word about CDR or Rose. That's what I was responding to, but it was a good example of a player who was more experienced and likely in reality was the better college player in 2008, and certainly the more productive. The two usually go hand in hand when you measure the most important players.

I did have a great Christmas, hope everyone else did to.

(12-25-2012 10:01 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  I never said a word about CDR or Rose. That's what I was responding to, but it was a good example of a player who was more experienced and likely in reality was the better college player in 2008, and certainly the more productive. The two usually go hand in hand when you measure the most important players.

I did have a great Christmas, hope everyone else did to.

No problem at all; when I read "any of that" I mistakenly thought that you meant "any of that."

As the season progresses we'll find out more about who the best player in the conference is. I honestly can't say for certain right now as I haven't seen all teams play.

I think we deserve a B. We had a player out (Matt Williams) with medical issues. Calvin our starting PG just got eligible and we are down a few scholarships with the NCAA. We had an extremely short bench. I'd give us a C if we endup around 133 in the RPI, but the current record isn't bad considering.

(12-24-2012 11:27 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 04:35 PM)transitt Wrote:  Geron Johnson is the best player in CUSA right now.

Whatever. He's not even in the top 10 most productive players in CUSA. Usually the best players are actually doing big things on the court.

Quote:If Adonis will start attacking the rim and stop jacking up threes....well....

He'd still be as overrated and unproductive as he has been from the first day he stepped on a college court.

ECU and the rest of C-USA should have no problems handling the overrated Tigers.

(12-25-2012 10:30 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I think we deserve a B. We had a player out (Matt Williams) with medical issues. Calvin our starting PG just got eligible and we are down a few scholarships with the NCAA. We had an extremely short bench. I'd give us a C if we endup around 133 in the RPI, but the current record isn't bad considering.

I didn't consider players that were out. Just how the teams have preformed so far. I didn't take into account UTEP was playing without Konnor Tucker who averaged 14.75 points on 63% shooting from three point range this week against three top 100 RPI teams. Nor that McKensie Moore just became eligible this week also.

(12-25-2012 11:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 11:27 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-24-2012 04:35 PM)transitt Wrote:  Geron Johnson is the best player in CUSA right now.

Whatever. He's not even in the top 10 most productive players in CUSA. Usually the best players are actually doing big things on the court.

Quote:If Adonis will start attacking the rim and stop jacking up threes....well....

He'd still be as overrated and unproductive as he has been from the first day he stepped on a college court.

ECU and the rest of C-USA should have no problems handling the overrated Tigers.

I've never said Black, Jackson or even Crawford were overrated. I know you have some good talent. In fact those are the guys I think you guys should have been pumping up the hardest in the preseason, not Adonis Thomas. This Geron guy has been efficient but he's new and only played in few college games at this point. Black has been doing it for several years now, we know what hes about and if anyone deserves the credit it's probably him. That was kind of the point.

Woah! Another Memphis argument between Jonesing and Memphis fans. Shocking! You'd think one of the sides would learn at some point.

It all looks pretty solid. I might give USM a "B+" instead of an "A", but they've definitely done much better than I expected them to, that's certain.

I'd say we are an "F" for sure. Losing Canty for the year, and Kane for maybe 2 months has hurt badly. We are not playing well, no leader, no shooting, spotty hustle. The year has been a big time bust. I dont see it turning around either. ugh!!!!!!!

(12-26-2012 09:00 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  I'd say we are an "F" for sure. Losing Canty for the year, and Kane for maybe 2 months has hurt badly. We are not playing well, no leader, no shooting, spotty hustle. The year has been a big time bust. I dont see it turning around either. ugh!!!!!!!

Y'all had bad luck which should be factored into the grade, IMO. An "F" seems a bit harsh.

(12-26-2012 09:23 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-26-2012 09:00 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  I'd say we are an "F" for sure. Losing Canty for the year, and Kane for maybe 2 months has hurt badly. We are not playing well, no leader, no shooting, spotty hustle. The year has been a big time bust. I dont see it turning around either. ugh!!!!!!!

Y'all had bad luck which should be factored into the grade, IMO. An "F" seems a bit harsh.

What bad luck did they have? I mentioned in the preseason thread that they were overrated. They were not even that good before Kane got hurt; and on top of that, when a school takes as many academic risks as Marshall then you have to expect some of those guys not to pan out. So they didn't have any bad luck. They are what we thought they where; which is a streaky team with a manic coach. FWIW, F might be a bit harsh for them; I would have probably given them a C-, but they are not as good as people thought.

IMO that grade for ECU is the one that is too low. The 3 games that ECU lost were on the road against 3 top 70 RPI schools. Everyone knows UNC-Charlotte and UNC had good RPI's, but apparently folks are overlooking the fact that UMass had an RPI of 33 when ECU played them in Amherst on Saturday. UMass now has an RPI of 23.

I think that the rest of the grades are fair (Tulsa may be a bit high), based upon the competition that the other programs have played. Memphis is still the team to beat; but USM, UTEP and ECU should give them a pretty good run for their money this year. Hopefully, Pastner can meet the challenge.