What will our non-revenue sports look like?

Who of the possible new additions play Baseball, Soccer, Lacrosse?

Baseball:
SJU
GTown
Seton Hall
Villanova

Soccer:
GTown
SJU
Nova
Marquette
Seton Hall
DePaul
Providence

Lacrosse:
SJU
Marquette
Providence
Villanova
GTown

Out of the three sports you mentioned, Xavier plays soccer and baseball at the D1 level (only club lax).

X baseball won the A10 I believe in 2010. Xavier Soccer has risen from the ashes in the past few years, having won the A10 in 2010 and 2011 and making the NCAA tournament for the last 3 seasons.

(12-22-2012 06:09 PM)bmorex Wrote:  Out of the three sports you mentioned, Xavier plays soccer and baseball at the D1 level (only club lax).

X baseball won the A10 I believe in 2010. Xavier Soccer has risen from the ashes in the past few years, having won the A10 in 2010 and 2011 and making the NCAA tournament for the last 3 seasons.

So to update:

Baseball:
SJU
GTown
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier

Soccer:
GTown
SJU
Nova
Marquette
Seton Hall
DePaul
Providence
Xavier

Lacrosse:
SJU
Marquette
Providence
Villanova
GTown

(12-22-2012 06:18 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 06:09 PM)bmorex Wrote:  Out of the three sports you mentioned, Xavier plays soccer and baseball at the D1 level (only club lax).

X baseball won the A10 I believe in 2010. Xavier Soccer has risen from the ashes in the past few years, having won the A10 in 2010 and 2011 and making the NCAA tournament for the last 3 seasons.

So to update:

Baseball:
SJU
GTown
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier
VCU
Dayton
St Louis
Creighton
Butler

Soccer:
GTown
SJU
Nova
Marquette
Seton Hall
DePaul
Providence
Xavier
VCU
Dayton
St Louis
Creighton
Butler

Lacrosse:
SJU
Marquette
Providence
Villanova
GTown

Wikipedia says re: VCU baseball: Recently, the baseball team has won several Colonial Athletic Association titles as of late, winning the CAA tournament five times in the past decade, most recently winning the tournament in 2010.

Creighton Bluejays won MVC baseball tournament in 2007, 11 and 12
and 20 straight NCAA soccer tournaments. That's really impressive.

(12-22-2012 06:29 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 06:18 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 06:09 PM)bmorex Wrote:  Out of the three sports you mentioned, Xavier plays soccer and baseball at the D1 level (only club lax).

X baseball won the A10 I believe in 2010. Xavier Soccer has risen from the ashes in the past few years, having won the A10 in 2010 and 2011 and making the NCAA tournament for the last 3 seasons.

So to update:

Baseball:
SJU
GTown
Seton Hall
Villanova
Xavier
VCU
Dayton
St Louis
Creighton

Soccer:
GTown
SJU
Nova
Marquette
Seton Hall
DePaul
Providence
Xavier
VCU
Dayton
St Louis
Creighton

Lacrosse:
SJU
Marquette
Providence
Villanova
GTown

Wikipedia says re: VCU baseball: Recently, the baseball team has won several Colonial Athletic Association titles as of late, winning the CAA tournament five times in the past decade, most recently winning the tournament in 2010.

Creighton Bluejays won MVC baseball tournament in 2007, 11 and 12
and 20 straight NCAA soccer tournaments. That's really impressive.

Word up, we might actually get some competition in the non-revenue sports.

(12-22-2012 06:31 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Word up, we might actually get some competition in the non-revenue sports.

I would bet that lax is going to be the only sport that has issues.

I assume you're asking about men's soccer and not women's?

(12-22-2012 08:50 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  I assume you're asking about men's soccer and not women's?

Yup...

Creighton sports have been at a major upswing recently. Aside from basketball, soccer is our most successful sport in that we've made the college cup that last two years (final four), women's volleyball (2 straight NCAAs), baseball (2 straight NCAAs) and women's basketball (NCAAs last year, picked to win MVC this year). Facilities wise, we are pretty good too, baseball plays at TD Ameritrade Park (home of CWS), women's basketball/volleyball pays at a brand new arena (DJ Sokol arena) and soccer plays at one of the premier college soccer stadiums in the country (Morrison Stadium). Sorry, we don't play lacross. As a bonus, Creighton just announced a brand new basketball practice facility that will be done in 2014. Hopefully we can join the new Big East soon!

1. TD Ameritrade Park


2. DJ Sokol Arena


3. Morrison Stadium


4. Proposed new basketball practice facility

soccer(m&w),x-country(m&w),softball, winter and spring track(m&w) mens golf and womens tennis will all be fine since just about everyone sponsors them.
the other olympic sports need some help, although some are in better shape than others

BUTLER
Baseball
Tennis M
Swim W
Golf W

ST. LOUIS
Baseball
Tennis M
Swim M&W
Field Hockey

CREIGHTON
Baseball
Tennis M
Golf W

DAYTON
Baseball
Tennis M
Golf W
Rowing W

XAVIER
Baseball
Tennis M
Swim M&W
Golf W

VCU
Baseball
Tennis M
Field Hockey

RICHMOND
Baseball
Tennis M
Field Hockey
Swim W
Golf W
Lax M&W

DETROIT
Tennis M
Swim M
Golf W
Lax M&W

to follow up based on the likely additions

mens and womens lax, field hockey and mens and womens swimming would be the biggest concerns. Womens rowing as a BE sport is dead in the water, sorry, unless they get associate members

MENS LAX
Detroit and Richmond are the only two that offer it. BE just needs 1 team to get to 6

WOMENS LAX
no matter who comes wont have enough for 6 minimum. Again Detroit and Richmond offer to go with the current 3 of th c7

FIELD HOCKEY

Currently 3 members. so need 3 (unless old dominion goes with c7 and not the FB schools. St Louis,VCU and Richmond sponsor

WOMENS GOLF
Only 3 current c7 sponsor. not sure if golf needs a minimum number.
Richmond,Butler, Detroit,Creighton, Dayton and Xavier sponsor

MENS SWIMMING
Doesnt need auto bid but could use "bodies"
4 current c7 teams sponsor
Detroit,Xavier and St Louis do as well

WOMENS SWIMMING
See above
Richmond, Butler, Xavier and St Louis sponsor

Based on olympic sports offered IMO, Richmond might have an edge on VCU. We shall see

As far as UD we currently have vball team that is undefeated in a10 last three years (I believe it was three) and have been to NCAA multiple times in row, #16 rank women's bball who made NCAA last few years, m/w soccer are both competitive, baseball made NCAA last year.

I'm more of a bball/vball fan so sure others an mention the soccer teams and baseball with exactly what they've done.

I am a baseball fan and baseball isnt looking so hot. St. John's is going to be the only decent program we will have. Thats why we need Creighton who are pretty solid. Villanova and Georgetown are underfunded programs and dont put much resources into baseball. Seton Hall is probably somewhere inbetween them and St. Johns in terms of quality. Its a shame DePaul and Marquette dont play baseball. With Xavier, St.Louis, and Butler are just ok not great. Doesnt looks like its gonna be that great of a baseball conference. The midwest schools are going to have to do a lot of traveling and so are the eastern schools when they play the midwest schools. Its not very ideal for the non basketball sports. Long, long drive from Omaha to NJ, NY, PA, DC.

Xavier's Olympic sports have been very up and down.

Women's BB - have 2 Elite 8 appearances and 6 NCAA appearances since 2001 but are currently coming off of a 20-loss season.

Baseball - 1 NCAA bid a couple of years ago. Normally they're in the top half of the A-10 but pale in comparison to St. John's (if that's your top team in the C-7)

Men's soccer - 3 straight NCAA Tournament appearances and finally won a match in the NCAAs this year. Arguably the most short-term upside for Xavier's other sports right now.

Golf - Men's golf will also make occasional NCAA Tournament appearances (both with A-10 titles and at-large bids)

Those would be the stand-out sports.

(12-23-2012 12:31 AM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  I am a baseball fan and baseball isnt looking so hot. St. John's is going to be the only decent program we will have. Thats why we need Creighton who are pretty solid. Villanova and Georgetown are underfunded programs and dont put much resources into baseball. Seton Hall is probably somewhere inbetween them and St. Johns in terms of quality. Its a shame DePaul and Marquette dont play baseball. With Xavier, St.Louis, and Butler are just ok not great. Doesnt looks like its gonna be that great of a baseball conference. The midwest schools are going to have to do a lot of traveling and so are the eastern schools when they play the midwest schools. Its not very ideal for the non basketball sports. Long, long drive from Omaha to NJ, NY, PA, DC.

As a Notre Dame baseball fan, I am going to miss playing St. Johns, Seton Hall, Villanova and Georgetown from all of the years in the Big East.

I am glad the C7 decided to form their own conference and wish all the schools in the new conference the best of luck.

(12-22-2012 10:07 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  to follow up based on the likely additions

mens and womens lax, field hockey and mens and womens swimming would be the biggest concerns. Womens rowing as a BE sport is dead in the water, sorry, unless they get associate members

MENS LAX
Detroit and Richmond are the only two that offer it. BE just needs 1 team to get to 6

WOMENS LAX
no matter who comes wont have enough for 6 minimum. Again Detroit and Richmond offer to go with the current 3 of th c7

FIELD HOCKEY

Currently 3 members. so need 3 (unless old dominion goes with c7 and not the FB schools. St Louis,VCU and Richmond sponsor

WOMENS GOLF
Only 3 current c7 sponsor. not sure if golf needs a minimum number.
Richmond,Butler, Detroit,Creighton, Dayton and Xavier sponsor

MENS SWIMMING
Doesnt need auto bid but could use "bodies"
4 current c7 teams sponsor
Detroit,Xavier and St Louis do as well

WOMENS SWIMMING
See above
Richmond, Butler, Xavier and St Louis sponsor

Based on olympic sports offered IMO, Richmond might have an edge on VCU. We shall see

Women's Volleyball will get a major upgrade: Creighton and Dayton are both Top 25 teams this year. Xavier was the second best team in the A10 losing only to Dayton. Butler and VCU were okay and we're among the 4-5th strongest teams in the A-10. Butler lost to VCU in the league tournament in 5, VCU lost to Xavier in 4 or 5.

The biggest issues will be if they go to divisions the west would be extremely strong and the east would be marginal with VCU and St Johns the best teams. All would struggle to win a match against Marquette, Dayton, Creighton or Xavier.

Don't know how they balance the league as the West would be a top 6 conference and the east would struggle to be top 12 Conference.

(12-23-2012 10:19 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  The biggest issues will be if they go to divisions the west would be extremely strong and the east would be marginal with VCU and St Johns the best teams. All would struggle to win a match against Marquette, Dayton, Creighton or Xavier.

They usually don't do divisions for many sports outside the big 3, do they? "They" being conferences in general.

(12-23-2012 11:10 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(12-23-2012 10:19 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  The biggest issues will be if they go to divisions the west would be extremely strong and the east would be marginal with VCU and St Johns the best teams. All would struggle to win a match against Marquette, Dayton, Creighton or Xavier.

They usually don't do divisions for many sports outside the big 3, do they? "They" being conferences in general.

Well volleyball is a major sport for women and all 12 schools play it. It is not as big in the east as in the west and Midwest however and you can see in the division rankings. Just looking at RPI's which can be deceptive as VCU and Butler were fairly even.

Dayton 19
Creighton 24
Marquette 33
Xavier 54
VCU 60
St Johns 112
Seton hall 121
Butler 140
DePaul 200
Villanova 215
Georgetown 219
Providence 327

You can see with additions the west will be very good and the east pretty bad. Typically, the top 6 or 8 make the tournament with each division playing home and home and 1 game with the other division. Should make for a very strange tourney.

(12-23-2012 11:10 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(12-23-2012 10:19 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  The biggest issues will be if they go to divisions the west would be extremely strong and the east would be marginal with VCU and St Johns the best teams. All would struggle to win a match against Marquette, Dayton, Creighton or Xavier.

They usually don't do divisions for many sports outside the big 3, do they? "They" being conferences in general.

Soccer had divisions in our last conference set up.

the FB BE and the C7BE may have to agree to have affilate membership with each other so that some olympic sports can continue to have a proper home and auto bid.
its mainly 3 sports that need help (rowing canr be saved by either side)

what it could look like:

WOMENS LAX:

UCONN
CINCY
TEMPLE
GEORGETOWN
MARQUETTE
VILLANOVA
RICHMOND
RUTGERS (no b10 sponsorship yet)

FIELD HOCKEY

UCONN
TEMPLE
OLD DOMINION
GEORGETOWN
VILLANOVA
PROVIDENCE
ST LOUIS
RICHMOND

MENS LAX

GEORGETOWN
SAINT JOHNS
MARQUETTE
PROVIDENCE
VILLANOVA
RICHMOND
RUTGERS (no B10 sponsorship yet)