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If Creighton gets in I'd like to hold the baseball tournament at their home field. Having the finals in the same complex of the college world series that could lend some excitement to the fan bases and TV partners.

I'd also like to see the Soccer tournament rotate with NY Redbulls and Chicago Fire's stadiums.
12-30-2012 08:00 PM
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If i'm the C7, i'm offering associate membership to both Maryland and Rutgers for LAX.
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Non-Revenue sports would be a lot better with Dayton than without them.
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(12-30-2012 10:02 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  Non-Revenue sports would be a lot better with Dayton than without them.

Unfortunately, Dayton doesn't sponsor the non revenue sports that the c7 need bodies to fill
12-31-2012 10:00 AM
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(12-22-2012 09:49 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  soccer(m&w),x-country(m&w),softball, winter and spring track(m&w) mens golf and womens tennis will all be fine since just about everyone sponsors them.
the other olympic sports need some help, although some are in better shape than others

BUTLER
Baseball
Tennis M
Swim W
Golf W

ST. LOUIS
Baseball
Tennis M
Swim M&W
Field Hockey

CREIGHTON
Baseball
Tennis M
Golf W

DAYTON
Baseball
Tennis M
Golf W
Rowing W

XAVIER
Baseball
Tennis M
Swim M&W
Golf W

VCU
Baseball
Soccer M/W
Tennis M/W
Field Hockey
Volleyball
Track and Field M/W
X-Country M/W
Golf


RICHMOND
Baseball
Tennis M
Field Hockey
Swim W
Golf W
Lax M&W

DETROIT
Tennis M
Swim M
Golf W
Lax M&W

FIFY
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(12-31-2012 10:00 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  
(12-30-2012 10:02 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  Non-Revenue sports would be a lot better with Dayton than without them.

Unfortunately, Dayton doesn't sponsor the non revenue sports that the c7 need bodies to fill

I would imagine Dayton or any other potential add might be persuaded to add a sport or two to their repertoire as a "condition" of their invitation.

All of these schools will be going from a conference with tv revenue of a few hundred thousand(?) to maybe around $3M. I don't see adding field hockey or lacrosse as being all that cost-prohibitive to them.
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Yeah, but you have to take Title 9 into consideration. You can't just add a male sport without adding a female sport or upgrade, a current female opportunity.

(12-31-2012 10:39 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(12-31-2012 10:00 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  
(12-30-2012 10:02 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  Non-Revenue sports would be a lot better with Dayton than without them.

Unfortunately, Dayton doesn't sponsor the non revenue sports that the c7 need bodies to fill

I would imagine Dayton or any other potential add might be persuaded to add a sport or two to their repertoire as a "condition" of their invitation.

All of these schools will be going from a conference with tv revenue of a few hundred thousand(?) to maybe around $3M. I don't see adding field hockey or lacrosse as being all that cost-prohibitive to them.
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(12-31-2012 10:46 PM)courtjester Wrote:  Yeah, but you have to take Title 9 into consideration. You can't just add a male sport without adding a female sport or upgrade, a current female opportunity.

(12-31-2012 10:39 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(12-31-2012 10:00 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  
(12-30-2012 10:02 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  Non-Revenue sports would be a lot better with Dayton than without them.

Unfortunately, Dayton doesn't sponsor the non revenue sports that the c7 need bodies to fill

I would imagine Dayton or any other potential add might be persuaded to add a sport or two to their repertoire as a "condition" of their invitation.

All of these schools will be going from a conference with tv revenue of a few hundred thousand(?) to maybe around $3M. I don't see adding field hockey or lacrosse as being all that cost-prohibitive to them.

Sure. But my understanding was women's field hockey, women's lacrosse and men's lacrosse were the 3 sports that need participants. Two of the 3 are female sports. Title IX wouldn't be an issue.
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Men's and Women's LAX get saved by Dayton and Xavier/Butler!

Right now I'd just invite the two new B1G schools for LAX. The entire league is a bus league and one plane ride every other year.

I think both the New B1G schools and the C7 will make a nice LAX league. Have MD, NJ and the C7 is a great looking LAX league.
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Silly question, but why would those need to be "saved" ?

I'd assume there'd be an option for an affiliate conference somewhere... Why is Marquette a MLAX independent and not in the Big East NOW?

Marquette and Penn State would make MLAX work.
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(01-01-2013 03:06 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Men's and Women's LAX get saved by Dayton and Xavier/Butler!

Right now I'd just invite the two new B1G schools for LAX. The entire league is a bus league and one plane ride every other year.

I think both the New B1G schools and the C7 will make a nice LAX league. Have MD, NJ and the C7 is a great looking LAX league.

None of those schools sponsor lax. At least on a vasiry level. Richmond does the rest will probably have to be associate members
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(01-01-2013 04:21 AM)JPSchmack Wrote:  Why is Marquette a MLAX independent and not in the Big East NOW?

They just started varsity lacrosse and were set to join the conference in 2013-14 after 1 year as an independent.

Coaches were hired for 2011-12 and players recruited for 2012-13 academic years.

http://www.marquette.edu/magazine/recent...2&archive=
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NCAA requirements for a Multisport (i.e., non-FBS) conference:

20.02.5.1 Minimum Number of Members. A multisport conference shall be composed of at least seven active Division I members. The member conference shall include at least seven active Division I members that sponsor both men’s and women’s basketball. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
20.02.5.2 Sports Sponsorship. A multisport conference shall satisfy the following requirements: (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) The conference shall sponsor a minimum of 12 Division I sports;
(b) The conference shall sponsor a minimum of six men’s sports, one of which shall be men’s basketball. In addition to men’s basketball, the conference shall sponsor football or two other men’s team sports. A minimum of seven members shall sponsor men’s basketball. A minimum of six members shall sponsor five other sports, including football or two additional men’s team sports; and
© The conference shall sponsor a minimum of six women’s sports, one of which shall be women’s basketball. In addition to women’s basketball, the conference shall sponsor two other women’s team sports. A minimum of seven members shall sponsor women’s basketball. A minimum of six members shall sponsor five other sports, including two additional women’s team sports (or a minimum of five members for an emerging sport for women).


Basically, the conference needs 6 schools to participate in 12 conference sports (6 playing 12), including 3 men's team sports and 3 women's team sports.

Quickly reviewing the Big East website, the C7 is very close to meeting all of the requirements of a multisport conference.

For team sports, the conference would need to sponsor the following sports to enable the schools to meet the requirements within conference play: men's and women's basketball, men's and women's soccer, men's lacrosse, women's volleyball, baseball and softball. For baseball, the C7 has only the NCAA minimum of 4 participating schools. 8 team sports are necessary because the individual schools don't all sponsor the same roster of sports. Using these sports, all schools but DePaul sponsor the minimum 6 team sports. DePaul sponsors only 2 men's team sports.

The conference may need to sponsor 11-12 individual sports to help schools meet the requirement as well - men's and women's x-country, men's and women's indoor track, men's and women's outdoor track, men's golf, men's tennis, men's and women's swimming and diving, and either women's tennis or women's golf. However, individual sports are easy to sponsor since no regular season scheduling is required and men's and women's championships can be combined into one event.

Using this group of sports, the league would need one additional school to sponsor either women's tennis or women's golf for the conference to sponsor that sport and allow all schools to meet the "6 playing 12" requirement. In particular, Seton Hall needs another member to add women's golf so the conference can sponsor a championship or Seton Hall needs to add women's tennis, which has only 3 participants. Both Xavier and Butler sponsor both sports, and both would easily meet the 12 sport sponsorship requirement.

Basically, add Xavier or Butler and you meet all of the NCAA's multisport conference requirements.
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