MWC 2013 Big East 2014
Boise UConn
Fresno U Cinc
San Diego USF
Air Force Temple
Nevada Houston
Wyoming SMU
Colorado State UCF
UNLV Memphis
New Mexico ECU
Hawaii Tulane
San Jose
Utah St.

With all due apologies to Boise, I still take the BE-2014, in football and basketball.

Houston is probably gone to. There no way around it. If this goes down, it's likely bad for the rest of you.

They nBE will be CUSA with no MWC teams. It's bad news for everyone that a true western divison was never worked out.

(12-22-2012 11:22 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  They nBE will be CUSA with no MWC teams. It's bad news for everyone that a true western divison was never worked out.

Yeah, that's probably a better way to put it.

(12-22-2012 11:19 AM)vick-mike Wrote:  MWC 2013 Big East 2014
Boise UConn
Fresno U Cinc
San Diego USF
Air Force Temple
Nevada Houston
Wyoming SMU
Colorado State UCF
UNLV Memphis
New Mexico ECU
Hawaii Tulane
San Jose
Utah St.

With all due apologies to Boise, I still take the BE-2014, in football and basketball.

Better football teams are in bold. Cincy and Fresno are a tossup as are Nevada and Houston and UNLV and Memphis. MWC > BECUSA in football .. especially if Houston comes West.

(12-22-2012 11:22 AM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  They nBE will be CUSA with no MWC teams. It's bad news for everyone that a true western divison was never worked out.

A few of us have been lobbying for that since this experiment began. Yet we ended up with Memphis, Temple, ECU, and Tulane.

That's not the way to look at it here is more like it
MWC
Hawaii,New Mexico,Colorado State,Air Force,Wyoming,Utah State,San Jose State,Nevada
Or
Big East
UConn,Temple,ECU,UCF,USF,Cincinnati,Memphis,Tulane,SMU,Houston

Which of those two leagues with Boise,SDSU,Fresno,UNLV, makes a more Financially and exposure attractive 14 all sport team league for those four schools

(12-22-2012 11:28 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  That's not the way to look at it here is more like it
MWC
Hawaii,New Mexico,Colorado State,Air Force,Wyoming,Utah State,San Jose State,Nevada
Or
Big East
UConn,Temple,ECU,UCF,USF,Cincinnati,Memphis,Tulane,SMU,Houston

Which of those two leagues with Boise,SDSU,Fresno,UNLV, makes a more Financially and exposure attractive 14 all sport team league for those four schools

Without a doubt, the Big East gives those 4 much more exposure and more recruiting areas.

(12-22-2012 11:24 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:19 AM)vick-mike Wrote:  MWC 2013 Big East 2014
Boise UConn
Fresno U Cinc
San Diego USF
Air Force Temple
Nevada Houston
Wyoming SMU
Colorado State UCF
UNLV Memphis
New Mexico ECU
Hawaii Tulane
San Jose
Utah St.

With all due apologies to Boise, I still take the BE-2014, in football and basketball.

Better football teams are in bold. Cincy and Fresno are a tossup as are Nevada and Houston and UNLV and Memphis. MWC > BECUSA in football .. especially if Houston comes West.

HAHAHA. Thanks for the laugh.

(12-22-2012 11:19 AM)vick-mike Wrote:  With all due apologies to Boise, I still take the BE-2014, in football and basketball.

If it's all sports with a true western division, yes. But if it's still football only and no more western teams are added, it's a toss up.

I'm still hoping that the BE can put this together. But at this stage I'm beginning to wonder.

(12-22-2012 11:39 AM)ScreamShatter Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:28 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  That's not the way to look at it here is more like it
MWC
Hawaii,New Mexico,Colorado State,Air Force,Wyoming,Utah State,San Jose State,Nevada
Or
Big East
UConn,Temple,ECU,UCF,USF,Cincinnati,Memphis,Tulane,SMU,Houston

Which of those two leagues with Boise,SDSU,Fresno,UNLV, makes a more Financially and exposure attractive 14 all sport team league for those four schools

Without a doubt, the Big East gives those 4 much more exposure and more recruiting areas.

Correct and I would follow by allowing BYU to keep its ESPN deal for home games and have their conference away games become part of the league content. They will not get money from it. I would then invite Gonzaga as an Olympic partner for Navy football.
Sixteen team league all sports
EAST
UConn,Temple,ECU,UCF,USF,Cincinnati,Memphis,Tulane
WEST
Houston,SMU,SDSU,Boise,BYU,Fresno,UNLV,Navy/Gonzaga

(12-22-2012 11:28 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Which of those two leagues with Boise,SDSU,Fresno,UNLV, makes a more Financially and exposure attractive 14 all sport team league for those four schools

As long as it's an all sports league, I prefer the BE.

(12-22-2012 11:40 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  HAHAHA. Thanks for the laugh.

Why is that so funny?

You beat us 28-20, in Cincy, in 2009
We beat you 28-14, the following year in Fresno.

Both years, we finished 8-5. In 2009, you were 12-1 and played in the Sugar Bowl and in 2010 you went 4-8.

Those were average years for us; we're doing better now. Still, we damn near knocked off you Sugar Bowl team in your house. So I'm not seeing anything that suggests that laughing is an appropriate response.

Yoda out...

doesn't matter. Boise is going to get some sort of BYU like deal with ESPN to destabilize both leagues, and for 4mil pieces of silver, everybody is going to be f'd. Neither league will be even close to as good as a 14-16 team best of the rest national conference would have been.

(12-22-2012 11:46 AM)BoiseAlum Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:28 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Which of those two leagues with Boise,SDSU,Fresno,UNLV, makes a more Financially and exposure attractive 14 all sport team league for those four schools

As long as it's an all sports league, I prefer the BE.

The problem is thats a pipe dream after the ECU and Tulane adds....there is 1 team too many in the East for a true East/West split.

(12-22-2012 11:24 AM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:19 AM)vick-mike Wrote:  MWC 2013 Big East 2014
Boise UConn
Fresno U Cinc
San Diego USF
Air Force Temple
Nevada Houston
Wyoming SMU
Colorado State UCF
UNLV Memphis
New Mexico ECU
Hawaii Tulane
San Jose
Utah St.

With all due apologies to Boise, I still take the BE-2014, in football and basketball.

Better football teams are in bold. Cincy and Fresno are a tossup as are Nevada and Houston and UNLV and Memphis. MWC > BECUSA in football .. especially if Houston comes West.

And I thought FOOTBALL was a good conversation.

(12-22-2012 11:48 AM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:40 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  HAHAHA. Thanks for the laugh.

Why is that so funny?

You beat us 28-20, in Cincy, in 2009
We beat you 28-14, the following year in Fresno.

Both years, we finished 8-5. In 2009, you were 12-1 and played in the Sugar Bowl and in 2010 you went 4-8.

Those were average years for us; we're doing better now. Still, we damn near knocked off you Sugar Bowl team. So I'm not seeing anything that suggests that laughing is an appropriate response.

Yoda out...

When was the last time Fresno State won 10 games? Cincinnati has done it 4 times in 5 years (a bowl win away from 5 times in 6 years).

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EDIT: found it, 2001-02.

(12-22-2012 11:55 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:48 AM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:40 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  HAHAHA. Thanks for the laugh.

Why is that so funny?

You beat us 28-20, in Cincy, in 2009
We beat you 28-14, the following year in Fresno.

Both years, we finished 8-5. In 2009, you were 12-1 and played in the Sugar Bowl and in 2010 you went 4-8.

Those were average years for us; we're doing better now. Still, we damn near knocked off you Sugar Bowl team. So I'm not seeing anything that suggests that laughing is an appropriate response.

Yoda out...

When was the last time Fresno State won 10 games? Cincinnati has done it 4 times in 5 years (a bowl win away from 5 times in 6 years).

Scoreboard, buddy.

And as for the claim that we almost knocked off your Sugar Bowl team

Time of possession: 43 minutes to 16 minutes
First downs: 25 to 15
Total yards: 443 to 357

Quoting AP: "Pike threw three touchdown passes in a quick-strike offense that was hardly on the field, and the 14th-ranked Bearcats held on for a 28-20 victory over a Fresno State team that ran all over them on Saturday. One gamble made the Bulldogs (1-3) come up empty."

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=292692132

Yoda out...

I get why Boise might not come. If the Big East sees more defections, the MWC starts to look more appealing. Like I said before if we could get a 5 year commitment from everybody, it might stabilize everything.

(12-22-2012 12:03 PM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:55 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:48 AM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:40 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  HAHAHA. Thanks for the laugh.

Why is that so funny?

You beat us 28-20, in Cincy, in 2009
We beat you 28-14, the following year in Fresno.

Both years, we finished 8-5. In 2009, you were 12-1 and played in the Sugar Bowl and in 2010 you went 4-8.

Those were average years for us; we're doing better now. Still, we damn near knocked off you Sugar Bowl team. So I'm not seeing anything that suggests that laughing is an appropriate response.

Yoda out...

When was the last time Fresno State won 10 games? Cincinnati has done it 4 times in 5 years (a bowl win away from 5 times in 6 years).

Scoreboard, buddy.

And as for the claim that we almost knocked off your Sugar Bowl team

Time of possession: 43 minutes to 16 minutes
First downs: 25 to 15
Total yards: 443 to 357

Quoting AP: "Pike threw three touchdown passes in a quick-strike offense that was hardly on the field, and the 14th-ranked Bearcats held on for a 28-20 victory over a Fresno State team that ran all over them on Saturday. One gamble made the Bulldogs (1-3) come up empty."

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=292692132

Yoda out...

I wasn't aware that ONE game in a programs recent history could make programs comparable. Appalachian State beat Michigan but I doubt you'd see many arguing the programs are a toss up.

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