(12-20-2012 10:30 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  I find it really difficult to believe that XU has a more intimidating home court than Louisville, Syracuse, UConn, Memphis, etc.

..... I don't think the building makes any difference.

I'm NEVER going back to Cintas. My wife and I got blue paint thrown on us by out-of-control XU fans and received a police escort out of the building last year. My wife is a "city girl", has had to physically (successfully) defend herself from would be thieves while growing up in a retailing family, and is basically afraid of no one. She was very afraid of the Cintas crowd.

The adults sitting behind us were worse than the students.

Coach Cronin had it right when he said that the game should be about the players competition and not about the fans. Listen closely to his post-game presser from this year's Classic. I agree with everything he said about going back to Cintas.

http://www.gobearcats.com/allaccess/?media=355195

(12-20-2012 10:30 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  Is Cronin really afraid to play at Cintas - there is no way that is true. I find it really difficult to believe that XU has a more intimidating home court than Louisville, Syracuse, UConn, Memphis, etc.

I certainly hope & don't believe that UC is scared to play at XU - to me that says that the building is in his head. A good teams wants to play in tough environments to prepare for the conference season & NCAA tourney. The players are same at Shoemaker, Cintas or US Bank. Does anybody think that XU wins that game last night if it is at Cintas or the UC wins last year if the game is at Shoemaker?? To me it looked like XU has better talent last year and UC has better talent this year. I don't think the building makes any difference.

You're way way off. I've been to games at UofL and Memphis and it is night and day to how X fans act at cintas. That fight last year was the product a mob like atmosphere that had been building for years. I was there in the shoot out in 2001 where we won by 20 and I've never worried for my safety at a sporting event until that day and that includes having attended european soccer matches.

You ask X fans, they'll tell stories of the same harassing treatment towards them at the Shoe. I don't doubt their stories are true as well.

It's a sporting event where alcohol is being served in the facility -- you wear opposing colors to a road game, you're going to get harassed to a certain degree.

(12-21-2012 08:44 AM)#41 Wrote:  You ask X fans, they'll tell stories of the same harassing treatment towards them at the Shoe. I don't doubt their stories are true as well.

It's a sporting event where alcohol is being served in the facility -- you wear opposing colors to a road game, you're going to get harassed to a certain degree.

Listen, been to plenty of road games and been treated for the most part exceptionally well. I hear way more horror stories about going into Cintas as a Bearcat fan than most school.s.

(12-21-2012 08:47 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 08:44 AM)#41 Wrote:  You ask X fans, they'll tell stories of the same harassing treatment towards them at the Shoe. I don't doubt their stories are true as well.

It's a sporting event where alcohol is being served in the facility -- you wear opposing colors to a road game, you're going to get harassed to a certain degree.

Listen, been to plenty of road games and been treated for the most part exceptionally well. I hear way more horror stories about going into Cintas as a Bearcat fan than most school.s.

It's a rivalry game -- the environment ain't pretty for Michigan fans at Ohio Stadium either.

I've been to lots of away games as well -- I tend to keep to myself, but even doing that I've been harassed plenty of times (heck, I bought scalped tickets to UC / WVU at Nippert a few years back and actually got harassed by the VISITING fans because I got stuck in the middle of a WVU section -- minimum 3 beers poured on me and my friend during the game).

People need to get over themselves a little bit. The environment at a UC / XU basketball game is nowhere near as hostile as other places I've been.

(12-21-2012 08:44 AM)#41 Wrote:  You ask X fans, they'll tell stories of the same harassing treatment towards them at the Shoe. I don't doubt their stories are true as well.

It's a sporting event where alcohol is being served in the facility -- you wear opposing colors to a road game, you're going to get harassed to a certain degree.

A little harassment is one thing. If you wear the other team's colors into a venue you are likely going to hear it (and should kind of expect some ribbing especially if you are very loud and vocal in your cheering) but you shouldn't fear for your safety.

UC fans have had to have security escorts to get out of Cintas.
THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED AT 5th/3rd.

I have never heard of any treatment of XU fans at 5th/3rd that is anywhere near the awful treatment at the Cintas Center. I have never read of XU fans fearing for their safety, walking in, attending or walking out of 5th/3rd and I know quite a few who have attended at 5th/3rd. I've sat up int he rafters with XU fans at 5th/3rd for the Shootout.

UD fans complain about XU fans at Cintast too as they've been subjected to it so it's also not an isolated thing.

(12-21-2012 08:51 AM)#41 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 08:47 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 08:44 AM)#41 Wrote:  You ask X fans, they'll tell stories of the same harassing treatment towards them at the Shoe. I don't doubt their stories are true as well.

It's a sporting event where alcohol is being served in the facility -- you wear opposing colors to a road game, you're going to get harassed to a certain degree.

Listen, been to plenty of road games and been treated for the most part exceptionally well. I hear way more horror stories about going into Cintas as a Bearcat fan than most school.s.

It's a rivalry game -- the environment ain't pretty for Michigan fans at Ohio Stadium either.

I've been to lots of away games as well -- I tend to keep to myself, but even doing that I've been harassed plenty of times (heck, I bought scalped tickets to UC / WVU at Nippert a few years back and actually got harassed by the VISITING fans because I got stuck in the middle of a WVU section -- minimum 3 beers poured on me and my friend during the game).

People need to get over themselves a little bit. The environment at a UC / XU basketball game is nowhere near as hostile as other places I've been.

A kid from Moeller was beaten up by tOSU fans while walking into the UofM tOSU game a few years back because he was wearing a blue and yellow jacket with a big M. You are justifying that kind of behavior as ok because it's a big rivalry game?

And so because it happens elsewhere, it's ok for XU fans to behave like borish thugs?

It's not ok and UC should never go back to Cintas. Why honor a school with a fanbase that can't behave and they can't control with a game? UC does not need XU.

WVU Football and XU Basketball are the worst ever places attended, but XU is by far the scariest place evrer! The reason is the middle age and older crowd are vile and actually are worse that their students who are really bad too.

(12-21-2012 08:51 AM)#41 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 08:47 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 08:44 AM)#41 Wrote:  You ask X fans, they'll tell stories of the same harassing treatment towards them at the Shoe. I don't doubt their stories are true as well.

It's a sporting event where alcohol is being served in the facility -- you wear opposing colors to a road game, you're going to get harassed to a certain degree.

Listen, been to plenty of road games and been treated for the most part exceptionally well. I hear way more horror stories about going into Cintas as a Bearcat fan than most school.s.

It's a rivalry game -- the environment ain't pretty for Michigan fans at Ohio Stadium either.

I've been to lots of away games as well -- I tend to keep to myself, but even doing that I've been harassed plenty of times (heck, I bought scalped tickets to UC / WVU at Nippert a few years back and actually got harassed by the VISITING fans because I got stuck in the middle of a WVU section -- minimum 3 beers poured on me and my friend during the game).

People need to get over themselves a little bit. The environment at a UC / XU basketball game is nowhere near as hostile as other places I've been.

You need to actually go to some shoot out games at cintas then. I've been to them at both places. There may be a little banter or at worse some choice words towards X fans at the shoe but you see X fan interspersed and for the most part unbothered. It ain't the same at cintas. The student section acts like complete animals. You've got adult fans starting fights with UC fans. Of course it's not all XU fans but it's about as close to out of control as you can get. When you have fans throwing sh!t at players, dumping blue paint on older people like Hep Cronin, and UC fans getting tackled as they walk out of the place (something I've personally witnessed), mick is 100% right to oppose going back there. I don't know or care what tosu and mich is like. I follow UC and I've seen what it's like there, and we saw last year what happens when that kind of behavior goes unchecked on and off the court and festers over several years.

The game went well at US Bank Arena. There is no reason for it to come back to campus.

(12-21-2012 09:19 AM)Bearcat T Wrote:  WVU Football and XU Basketball are the worst ever places attended, but XU is by far the scariest place evrer! The reason is the middle age and older crowd are vile and actually are worse that their students who are really bad too.

This. I've been to tons of rivalry games in football and basketball over the years. By far the two worst fan bases and experiences have been at XU for basketball and West Virginia for football.

Just because it is a rivalry game doesn't make animal like behavior acceptable. Michigan - OSU's games are nothing like that, not even Alabama-Auburn games. UC-XU games at the Shoe is nothing like it. Again, most rivalry's dont have fans who behave the way XU fans do at Cintas. Other than WVU fans nothing compares. It's a mob like atmoshpere. If the officials last year hadnt been so awful they would have stopped the game the minute the fans started throwing pennies and nickels at UC players which is extremely dangerous. UC should never agree to play there again.

^^ Part of that is becuase there is a huge difference between a football game and a a basketball game. The mob mentality in a basketball game is much worse because everyone is confined to a smaller space. Stuff that is happening in the stands can sometime spill out onto the court either directly or indirectly.

(12-21-2012 11:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ Part of that is becuase there is a huge difference between a football game and a a basketball game. The mob mentality in a basketball game is much worse because everyone is confined to a smaller space. Stuff that is happening in the stands can sometime spill out onto the court either directly or indirectly.

^This. As evidenced by the Crosstown Brawl last year.

(12-21-2012 11:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ Part of that is becuase there is a huge difference between a football game and a a basketball game. The mob mentality in a basketball game is much worse because everyone is confined to a smaller space. Stuff that is happening in the stands can sometime spill out onto the court either directly or indirectly.

Exactly. I dont get the OSU-Michigan comparisons by the OP at all. I've been to those games before. It's nothing like UC-XU at Cintas.

(12-21-2012 11:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Stuff that is happening in the stands can sometime spill out onto the court either directly or indirectly.

The reverse can happen as well. Like when Mongo did his best Ron Artest imitation, taking swings at the crowd as he tried to climb into the stands. Except no one threw a drink at Mongo, he just didn't like UC fans.

(12-20-2012 09:45 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Good golly, you must be a very old and angry man. You think all those UC fans at last year's sellout games vs. Louisville, Syracuse and other Big East games are still holding back because Huggins was let go. Don't look now, but UC's current coach, Mick Cronin, is a hotter and better coach than Bob Huggins. I wasn't happy with the way that Huggins was treated by the UC Administration (largely Nancy Zimpher) but that was two University President's ago and two Athletic Directors ago. Get over it, man. Are you still rooting for WVU in its scintillating games vs. Baylor, TCU and Texas Tech?

Not sure why I'm old and angry when I'm not one of the ones who quit going, but whatever. How many top 15 Huggins teams averaged 6,000 a game? Those blinders must be great.

You must have been one of those saying how we'd pack the house when we started winning again. NEWSFLASH--- You were wrong.

(12-21-2012 10:10 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  The game went well at US Bank Arena. There is no reason for it to come back to campus.

this

it looked great on tv, by great I mean, "big time"...great looking crowd in a big arena. They charged more for the tickets so that's a win from revenue standpoint. And finally, we will never again have to go to Cintas Center. Plus, i think as long as we are in US Bank, we will be the "home team" so win win win win for UC.

IF XU says they won't play there and wants it back as home/home then cancel the series. We hold the cards in this, I trust Whit will do the right thing.

Been along time since I was in US Bank Arena, so can't really call much about it.

When dump comes to mind, the old Cincinnati Gardens would be what I'd think of.

^^^
AMEN!

I still have nightmares of going to games there in the late 80's.