Yes... Money is an issue. And UC would not have "stabbed it in the back." UC would be trying to keep its olympic sports where they fit best, while helping create a viable, best of the rest football conference. It would not be ideal for the other schools, but I could easily see the other schools believing it is better than the chance of not having UC/UConn.

(12-15-2012 05:29 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Yes... Money is an issue. And UC would not have "stabbed it in the back." UC would be trying to keep its olympic sports where they fit best, while helping create a viable, best of the rest football conference. It would not be ideal for the other schools, but I could easily see the other schools believing it is better than the chance of not having UC/UConn.

The Mountain West would have to be an option because I could see them picking up Memphis, Houston, SMU, Boise State, and SDSU for all sports while letting UC and UConn play basketball and olympics sports out east. You end up leaving USF, UCF, Tulane, and ECU out in the cold but they could join up with Southern Miss, Charlotte, Old Dominion, UAB, and few other southern schools to form a nice league.

Sicking with the Catholics makes sense if you park football in the Mountain West; however, their TV deal stinks so bad.

(12-15-2012 03:17 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 03:13 PM)#41 Wrote:  You could sub out the west coast schools and add ECU, Toledo, Northern Illinois, and your choice of another MAC school and I guarantee you the media rights deal would be about the same.

It's all equally low-interest football, it just doesn't require west coast kickoffs and non-revenue sports travelling around the world.

The key is we need to play the teams in conference that we will fight for the Bowl Bid - keep Boise, SDSU, etc close. If we don't play them, they could go undefeated and take our spot. We need to play the best of rest in order to ensure we have a seat.

Plus - Toledo, North Illinois - these schools would be foolish to leave the MAC, since we are just using this conference as a stepping stone.

The "Access Bowl" slot from the Group of 5 is going to go to whatever school ends up undefeated (or at 1-loss) out of the Group of 5. There's no way to build a conference of the remaining schools that will give an advantage to the champion from that league.

I get wanting to keep Boise close, so you can beat them, etc. But, the reality is, if you add Boise, SDSU, New Mexico, etc. you're only really getting TV value out of Boise. The other western schools will end up being mouths to feed and will split the already small TV pie even smaller. TV money needs to be the main focus, because UC is going to need every dime over the next few years to invest in it's program and build itself out of this mess.

(12-15-2012 05:36 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:29 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Yes... Money is an issue. And UC would not have "stabbed it in the back." UC would be trying to keep its olympic sports where they fit best, while helping create a viable, best of the rest football conference. It would not be ideal for the other schools, but I could easily see the other schools believing it is better than the chance of not having UC/UConn.

The Mountain West would have to be an option because I could see them picking up Memphis, Houston, SMU, Boise State, and SDSU for all sports while letting UC and UConn play basketball and olympics sports out east. You end up leaving USF, UCF, Tulane, and ECU out in the cold but they could join up with Southern Miss, Charlotte, Old Dominion, UAB, and few other southern schools to form a nice league.

Sicking with the Catholics makes sense if you park football in the Mountain West; however, their TV deal stinks so bad.

I don't think the Mountain West is an option. Teams would like to start fresh so they can start with a TV deal being negotiated.

(12-15-2012 05:22 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:19 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Anybody have Ken Broo on today? He wants Cincinnati and UConn to join the Catholics while keeping football with the new schools coming in. This a perfect example of not understanding the landscape of college sports. Football schools do not make decisions based on basketball, second what conference would let Cincinnati park football league after they just left them to play basketball with the Catholic defectors.

Another caller suggested the MAC for football and the new league for basketball. Please save this city from the morons that don't understand college sports.

Right now we have two options, national all sports coast to coast league, or the 14/10 model in which we add one more western school and call it a day. I prefer the all sports national plan.

I disagree. There is talk that UC staying with the 7 is an option. If the National Football Conference truly wants to be a "best of the rest," UC could push for football only membership.

The best part of that would be if staying with UC would keep XU out of the conference since they would have the Cinti market, while other Catholic schools are invited.

(12-15-2012 03:03 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 02:52 PM)#41 Wrote:  I get that. I'd just keep everything east of the Mississippi. I highly doubt the value Boise State brings to the conference in a media rights deal is worth the hassle of having to add garbage like SDSU and New Mexico.

And add who? Southern Miss, ECU, MAC schools?

There is no one left. Period.

Pointing out problems is easy, offering solutions is a whole different ball game.

Plus, we need some schools that our fans will pay to see.

As I said in another thread...I'd rather take our hoops with the Catholic 7 and add UCONN to that too. We would be in a great league still that is based in the east for Mick.

Then move our football to an all sports western with Boise, UNLV, etc....basically us and UCONN join the MWC. If we can add BYU it would be even better.


I have ZERO ZERO ZERO desire to play in an all sports league with Tulane, Houston, SMU, ie cusa reboot.

(12-16-2012 08:43 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  As I said in another thread...I'd rather take our hoops with the Catholic 7 and add UCONN to that too. We would be in a great league still that is based in the east for Mick.

Then move our football to an all sports western with Boise, UNLV, etc....basically us and UCONN join the MWC. If we can add BYU it would be even better.


I have ZERO ZERO ZERO desire to play in an all sports league with Tulane, Houston, SMU, ie cusa reboot.

Too far away for all sports. We need to park bball in the all sports conference to make the conference happen, more than likely. 1/2 of team in the East-Central, 1/2 of the teams in the Mountain-West.

Hopefully in 2014 we are in ACC or Big 12 though.

(12-16-2012 08:51 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 08:43 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  As I said in another thread...I'd rather take our hoops with the Catholic 7 and add UCONN to that too. We would be in a great league still that is based in the east for Mick.

Then move our football to an all sports western with Boise, UNLV, etc....basically us and UCONN join the MWC. If we can add BYU it would be even better.


I have ZERO ZERO ZERO desire to play in an all sports league with Tulane, Houston, SMU, ie cusa reboot.

Too far away for all sports. We need to park bball in the all sports conference to make the conference happen, more than likely. 1/2 of team in the East-Central, 1/2 of the teams in the Mountain-West.

Hopefully in 2014 we are in ACC or Big 12 though.

yeah...I wasn't thinking. I meant football only out west and everything else with the C7.

(12-16-2012 11:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 08:51 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 08:43 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  As I said in another thread...I'd rather take our hoops with the Catholic 7 and add UCONN to that too. We would be in a great league still that is based in the east for Mick.

Then move our football to an all sports western with Boise, UNLV, etc....basically us and UCONN join the MWC. If we can add BYU it would be even better.


I have ZERO ZERO ZERO desire to play in an all sports league with Tulane, Houston, SMU, ie cusa reboot.

Too far away for all sports. We need to park bball in the all sports conference to make the conference happen, more than likely. 1/2 of team in the East-Central, 1/2 of the teams in the Mountain-West.

Hopefully in 2014 we are in ACC or Big 12 though.

yeah...I wasn't thinking. I meant football only out west and everything else with the C7.

I am warming up to that option; however, the problem is that yhe Mountain West TV deal stinks. If Cincinnati and UConn join the C7 the Mountain West would probably take Houston, SMU, SDSU, Boise State, and Memphis for all sports. They probably could take Cincinnati and UConn for football only at this point with some sort of scheduling agreement in basketball as well.

I am not sure where USF or UCF go but my guess is that they join up with ECU, Southern Miss, Marshall, UAB, Tulsa, Temple, UMass, and a few other schools that are left.

If TV money is better for the national all sports plan, you jump on it even if basketball takes a hit.