(12-15-2012 11:15 AM)Tiger46 Wrote: Penny, not even close. If Penny had been in an NBA without Shaq, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Patrick Ewing or even Scottie Pippen among many others, he might have made a run for MVP.
If Penny never gets hurt, he'd be more Clyde Drexler than MJ. He's be take his team to the playoff good, but Penny never could handle the pressure of being "the guy."
He was like Scottie Pippen or Pau Gasol in that regard. He had hall of game ability, but I always thought he was weak mentally.
(12-15-2012 11:15 AM)Tiger46 Wrote: Penny, not even close. If Penny had been in an NBA without Shaq, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Patrick Ewing or even Scottie Pippen among many others, he might have made a run for MVP.
If Penny never gets hurt, he'd be more Clyde Drexler than MJ. He's be take his team to the playoff good, but Penny never could handle the pressure of being "the guy."
He was like Scottie Pippen or Pau Gasol in that regard. He had hall of game ability, but I always thought he was weak mentally.
I think this is one of the biggest misconceptions about Penny. It was his injuries that help create this misnomer.
(12-15-2012 11:15 AM)Tiger46 Wrote: Penny, not even close. If Penny had been in an NBA without Shaq, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Patrick Ewing or even Scottie Pippen among many others, he might have made a run for MVP.
If Penny never gets hurt, he'd be more Clyde Drexler than MJ. He's be take his team to the playoff good, but Penny never could handle the pressure of being "the guy."
He was like Scottie Pippen or Pau Gasol in that regard. He had hall of game ability, but I always thought he was weak mentally.
I disagree. In their series vs the Bulls, Penny, not Shaq, was the man. He OWNED Jordan that series.
(12-15-2012 11:15 AM)Tiger46 Wrote: Penny, not even close. If Penny had been in an NBA without Shaq, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Patrick Ewing or even Scottie Pippen among many others, he might have made a run for MVP.
If Penny never gets hurt, he'd be more Clyde Drexler than MJ. He's be take his team to the playoff good, but Penny never could handle the pressure of being "the guy."
He was like Scottie Pippen or Pau Gasol in that regard. He had hall of game ability, but I always thought he was weak mentally.
I completely disagree. He was already as good as drexler if not better. When the magic played the bulls, scottie pippen (top 50 player of all time) defended penny mostly, and penny would score on him. At the end of games, you would get the penny/michael jordan matchup, and jordan couldn't beat up penny like he did all the others nba players.
Now penny did struggle with his weight and strength at first, and he didn't mind passing the ball down to the low block where shaq dominated. Why wouldn't he? But the first year shaq left, penny took his game to another level and even beat chicago and jordan once, but then his knee injuries started happening.
If penny and his knees stay healthy, he had a good chance to put his name up there with nba legends like michael jordan and magic johnson. Penny truly was a magical player, and i haven't seen another player like him yet.
Far as drose vs penny in college or the nba(if both are healthy), i'll take penny. Drose has the speed, but penny would play off him and give him that outside shot. If drose can make it, he might play penny even, because there is no way drose can defend penny on the other end. Penny would take him to post. If there is no double, penny would score at will.
(This post was last modified: 12-24-2012 07:05 PM by tmoneyinmphs.)
I think one would need to consider the fact that had D Rose play as many years for us as did Penny he may have been so much better than he was the Spring Semester he played here. Scary...
(This post was last modified: 12-24-2012 09:27 PM by DALLAS TIGER 78.)
Penny was more talented than Drexler... Wasn't saying Penny was on Drexler's level. But what I mean is Penny is more Drexler and 'Nique than MJ, Magic, or Bird. I would not think Penny would ever lead a team to a title. Derrick Rose might be able to do that even though I think Penny is a better player.
Penny might have dominated the 95 Bulls series, but it still had Shaq to shoulder much of the pressure. Penny was talented enough that if he were mentally tougher, he could have taken the 97 team without Shaq to the promise land.
Exhibit A proof of Penny not being able to handle the pressure without a player on his level next to him was Penny in his junior year after David Vaughn got hurt. Penny was so talented, just him, Billy Smith, and Anthony Douglas should have been enough to win more than 18 games that season. Penny just couldn't handle being the man.
(12-24-2012 09:34 PM)Latilleon Wrote: Penny was more talented than Drexler... Wasn't saying Penny was on Drexler's level. But what I mean is Penny is more Drexler and 'Nique than MJ, Magic, or Bird. I would not think Penny would ever lead a team to a title. Derrick Rose might be able to do that even though I think Penny is a better player.
Penny might have dominated the 95 Bulls series, but it still had Shaq to shoulder much of the pressure. Penny was talented enough that if he were mentally tougher, he could have taken the 97 team without Shaq to the promise land.
Exhibit A proof of Penny not being able to handle the pressure without a player on his level next to him was Penny in his junior year after David Vaughn got hurt. Penny was so talented, just him, Billy Smith, and Anthony Douglas should have been enough to win more than 18 games that season. Penny just couldn't handle being the man.
Penny's averages his last year at Memphis say otherwise. He did everything he could. In one for game stretch, for example, he had a 30 point game, a triple double, another triple double, and another 30 point game. He just didn't have enough help.
If he had stayed healthy, Penny wouldn't have been another MJ, but there would have been a pretty good argument about whether he or Kobe were a better player.
(This post was last modified: 12-24-2012 10:32 PM by Briskbas.)
(12-24-2012 09:34 PM)Latilleon Wrote: Penny was more talented than Drexler... Wasn't saying Penny was on Drexler's level. But what I mean is Penny is more Drexler and 'Nique than MJ, Magic, or Bird. I would not think Penny would ever lead a team to a title. Derrick Rose might be able to do that even though I think Penny is a better player.
Penny might have dominated the 95 Bulls series, but it still had Shaq to shoulder much of the pressure. Penny was talented enough that if he were mentally tougher, he could have taken the 97 team without Shaq to the promise land.
Exhibit A proof of Penny not being able to handle the pressure without a player on his level next to him was Penny in his junior year after David Vaughn got hurt. Penny was so talented, just him, Billy Smith, and Anthony Douglas should have been enough to win more than 18 games that season. Penny just couldn't handle being the man.
I know its christmas eve, but I still have to point out the truth here. This post is utter garbage. Every single thing about it is complete and utter crap.
(12-24-2012 09:34 PM)Latilleon Wrote: Penny was more talented than Drexler... Wasn't saying Penny was on Drexler's level. But what I mean is Penny is more Drexler and 'Nique than MJ, Magic, or Bird. I would not think Penny would ever lead a team to a title. Derrick Rose might be able to do that even though I think Penny is a better player.
Penny might have dominated the 95 Bulls series, but it still had Shaq to shoulder much of the pressure. Penny was talented enough that if he were mentally tougher, he could have taken the 97 team without Shaq to the promise land.
Exhibit A proof of Penny not being able to handle the pressure without a player on his level next to him was Penny in his junior year after David Vaughn got hurt. Penny was so talented, just him, Billy Smith, and Anthony Douglas should have been enough to win more than 18 games that season. Penny just couldn't handle being the man.
Penny's averages his last year at Memphis say otherwise. He did everything he could. In one for game stretch, for example, he had a 30 point game, a triple double, another triple double, and another 30 point game. He just didn't have enough help.
Penny was one of the top scorers in the country that year.
The only thing the team was really missing was an experienced point guard. That team had more talent than you give it credit for. True it wasn't going to be as good without Vaughn, but Penny couldn't handle the pressures of being the man with no one there on equal footing like David Vaughn did the year before.
The reason we lost the game against Western Kentucky was because Penny broke towards the end instead of raising to the occasion like an MJ or a Larry Bird would have done.
(12-24-2012 09:34 PM)Latilleon Wrote: Penny was more talented than Drexler... Wasn't saying Penny was on Drexler's level. But what I mean is Penny is more Drexler and 'Nique than MJ, Magic, or Bird. I would not think Penny would ever lead a team to a title. Derrick Rose might be able to do that even though I think Penny is a better player.
Penny might have dominated the 95 Bulls series, but it still had Shaq to shoulder much of the pressure. Penny was talented enough that if he were mentally tougher, he could have taken the 97 team without Shaq to the promise land.
Exhibit A proof of Penny not being able to handle the pressure without a player on his level next to him was Penny in his junior year after David Vaughn got hurt. Penny was so talented, just him, Billy Smith, and Anthony Douglas should have been enough to win more than 18 games that season. Penny just couldn't handle being the man.
I know its christmas eve, but I still have to point out the truth here. This post is utter garbage. Every single thing about it is complete and utter crap.
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY!!
So my opinions, that my favorite NBA player of all time:
1) in his prime more talented than Derrick Rose but Penny lacked the mental toughness that sets the pinnacle of the NBA elite apart...
2) had the talent that the Orlando Magic without Shaq should have still be title contenders with Penny as the franchise player but weren't because Penny wasn't mental tough enough to handle the pressure...
3) with Billy Smith and Anthony Douglas, Penny had enough role players that the 1992-93 Tigers should have been a better team even after David Vaughn got hurt. Penny got worse as the season progressed and appeared fatigued. If Penny were mentally tougher, we would have had one of the best seasons in our history due to Penny's talent level.
My post is utter garbage... But your counter has no rationale.
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Derrick Rose or Penny Hardaway
