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(12-14-2012 11:08 PM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  I have taught my daughter that if someone tries to take her our hurt her to yell fire, run, bite, kick, go for the balls or whatever it takes to get away. She's 4. To have to teach children this is a sad fact of our world today. I talk to her about this once a week.

Yeah, we had the "Danger danger, stranger stranger!!!!!!!!" discussion several times.

This discussion would be slightly different. "Honey, if a crazy man with a gun is shooting at your classmates, run as fast as you can." Only I have to soften the language...................Yeah, how do you do that?

A typical lock down involves locking the door and putting the kids in the corner out of the sight lines of the door. My wife and I were having the discussion regarding the limitations of doing that.

If the perp is armed they can get the door open either by blowing off the door knob (this is how they believe the guy entered Sandyhook), or shooting the glass next to the door and reaching in to open it.

That said, I'd hunker down for a minute, but ultimately I'd open the window throw them out the window, and have them run to the street.

(12-15-2012 11:19 AM)Chipdip Wrote:  A typical lock down involves locking the door and putting the kids in the corner out of the sight lines of the door. My wife and I were having the discussion regarding the limitations of doing that.

If the perp is armed they can get the door open either by blowing off the door knob (this is how they believe the guy entered Sandyhook), or shooting the glass next to the door and reaching in to open it.

That said, I'd hunker down for a minute, but ultimately I'd open the window throw them out the window, and have them run to the street.

This brings up the Jonesboro issue from years ago where they pulled the fire alarm and then picked people off when they came out of the building.

When I taught at Bentley we had a shooting on the school grounds, the kid was executed gang style with a gun to his head, it put us in a tailspin for months and this was an 18 year old who was involved with the killers in a bad way. I can't imagine being around this community with these little ones being executed that way.

Sad we're thinking in terms of going beyond the normal lockdown procedures, I've often thought about it back then but then my mind would disengage and not process. Now we have too, after Columbine, this, and others, not to mention Malls and Theaters, the possibility is very real, this is five times in five months by my account.

Sickening and real. Now to deal with it or I think we're in big trouble as a society.

I thought about this all night and into the morning with a deep sadness. It took me awhile to understand while this event affected me this way. It's not the first mass shooting at a school, and as DB pointed out, at least five shootings in the last five months. This felt like 9-1-1 to me. Then I realized why: never had a mass shooting involved such young kids. I cannot imagine how the families feel, it's beyond understanding. I suspect these kinds of incidents are going to be more frequent.

I did some consulting a few years ago at columbine, they were still shell-shocked. Permanent group PTSD

(12-15-2012 12:28 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  I thought about this all night and into the morning with a deep sadness. It took me awhile to understand while this event affected me this way. It's not the first mass shooting at a school, and as DB pointed out, at least five shootings in the last five months. This felt like 9-1-1 to me. Then I realized why: never had a mass shooting involved such young kids. I cannot imagine how the families feel, it's beyond understanding. I suspect these kinds of incidents are going to be more frequent.

You hit the nail on the head. It hurt me that someone could kill such young kids. All between like 5-10, they are babies. This just makes me scared for our future. Forget the middle east, we have problems here in our own country. How long is it before we start seeing suicide bombers?

According to news reports the murderer and his mother lived in a well-to-do section of an affluent community that residents thought of as "the safest community in America."

Reportdely, some of the guns used in the massacre were registered to the now-dead mother.

The question then is, Why? Why were those guns needed in the supposedly "safest community in America" and wound up in the hands of a mass murderer?

And we think Middle East with its suicide bombings is barbaric.

This I will agree with, wholeheartedly...

(12-14-2012 10:56 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  One last thing. I've listened to some of these teachers stories. I've heard nothing but wonderful things from the parents at the school in relation to how their child's teacher handled this. No one panicked, everyone put the children ahead of themself. The principal who was killed had 5 kids.

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF TEACHERS BEING THE WHIPPING BOYS OF EVERY BEER SWILLING LOSER WHO THINKS THE WORLD OWES THEM AN EQUALLY GOOD LIVING REGARDLESS OF WHAT KIND OF UNEDUCATED MORON THEY ARE.

Beyond that, I still don't know what to say about this. I literally felt sick most of yesterday watching this unfold. An entire classroom of first-graders. It's beyond unfathomable...

How many times have any of us used a gun to defend ourselves against home invasion or attack?

Seen any such instances? Read or heard of any? I can think of two - ever.

Friend of mine, another former Bronco Football player, lost his son couple years ago when he accidentally shot himself.

My oldest daughter lives in Portland OR. Ring a bell? Clacamas Mall shooting the other day.

Lot more incidents like that and Friday than law-abiding citizens defending life, limb, or property with a legal firearm. Which is supposedly the justification for no more gun control laws.

Won't change though. NRA in too deep with Republican-Conservative politicians.

We'll just learn a lot more names like Columbine, Jonesboro, Aurora, Newtown, etc.

May not be too long before we add Kalamazoo, Portage, Mattawan, Lawton, or the like to the list.

Agree, and I'm an owner. The risk is greater than the invasion we think we are protecting ourselves against. Stats bear it out.

(12-15-2012 04:40 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  According to news reports the murderer and his mother lived in a well-to-do section of an affluent community that residents thought of as "the safest community in America."

Reportdely, some of the guns used in the massacre were registered to the now-dead mother.

The question then is, Why? Why were those guns needed in the supposedly "safest community in America" and wound up in the hands of a mass murderer?

And we think Middle East with its suicide bombings is barbaric.

Why weren't those guns secured? Another tragedy that could have been prevented.

Obama had a good speech at the memorial tonight. I didn't like one part, but overall I thought he did good.

Brought tears to my eyes when he named the little ones. So sad.

(12-16-2012 09:20 PM)EA3 Wrote:  Obama had a good speech at the memorial tonight. I didn't like one part, but overall I thought he did good.

Brought tears to my eyes when he named the little ones. So sad.

I agree. He had me in tears Friday. His best moment as president in my opinion.

Yes, he got a little political in the middle of his speech. But I agree, something needs to be done.

1. Provide federal dollars for security systems and on site security at schools.

2. Ban assault rifles. Hunters and regular folks don't need assault weapons. NRA need to give a little, just as the abortion lobby needs to make 3rd trimester abortions all but illegal. Not everything is ALL OR NOTHING.

3. Tighten up on the release and admission of people with mental health issues.

(12-16-2012 09:38 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 09:20 PM)EA3 Wrote:  Obama had a good speech at the memorial tonight. I didn't like one part, but overall I thought he did good.

Brought tears to my eyes when he named the little ones. So sad.

I agree. He had me in tears Friday. His best moment as president in my opinion.

Yes, he got a little political in the middle of his speech. But I agree, something needs to be done.

1. Provide federal dollars for security systems and on site security at schools.

2. Ban assault rifles. Hunters and regular folks don't need assault weapons. NRA need to give a little, just as the abortion lobby needs to make 3rd trimester abortions all but illegal. Not everything is ALL OR NOTHING.

3. Tighten up on the release and admission of people with mental health issues.

If Dip can be this moderate, we may avoid going over the cliff just yet!!

(12-16-2012 09:38 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 09:20 PM)EA3 Wrote:  Obama had a good speech at the memorial tonight. I didn't like one part, but overall I thought he did good.

Brought tears to my eyes when he named the little ones. So sad.

I agree. He had me in tears Friday. His best moment as president in my opinion.

Yes, he got a little political in the middle of his speech. But I agree, something needs to be done.

1. Provide federal dollars for security systems and on site security at schools.

2. Ban assault rifles. Hunters and regular folks don't need assault weapons. NRA need to give a little, just as the abortion lobby needs to make 3rd trimester abortions all but illegal. Not everything is ALL OR NOTHING.

3. Tighten up on the release and admission of people with mental health issues.

Yup on all points

I'm not sure the issue is guns, mental health, school security, video games or any other specific issue......

I'm not sure there is an answer to this type of violence or a clear cut solution. As the culture around us continues to tolerate violence, lack respect for human life and turn away from God, I fear for the future of generations to come.

I wonder what the impact of fatherlessness has on the troubled people who perpetrate these acts. I see the increase of absent and distant fathers in our culture and wonder how much of an impact it plays in the increase of this type of violence.

It truly saddens my heart to see how much pain and hurt there is in this world. The only hope I have is in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and that one day all we be as God intended. I know none of this was part of God's original plan and I know he weeps with us. I cannot wait for that time when we truly see His glory and there is no more pain and struggle.

I know this isn't a popular reaction to this and I'm sure I'll be mocked, but it is how I truly feel. I am sad at the condition of our society as a whole. The last time I remember feeling physically sick in reaction to a news event was 9/11. Really puts life into perspective.

We've been a society that has tolerated violence of many magnitudes for throughout our history. Think of the numerous mass genocides, world wars, terrorism, you name it that we've read about, it's made me pale.

This is in our relatively peaceful society and with the murder of little ones has us on edge and ready to do something, that makes me happy that we're thinking of solutions because this was such a horrible act, just letting it go is unacceptable in my mind. To that note, if my 6 year old had been killed I think I would have wanted to hear that something was going to be done and it wasn't all for naught.

BUT to think times have gotten worse and we've moved away from god is really myopic, although understandable, but slow down and think of all the sufferers of mass crimes against humanity and how they felt at the time. There have been acts against our fellow man that just make me cringe at the force of evil that it took to execute those acts. Unreal.

This act of this kid is another proof of evil, and if there's evil, there has to be good. I firmly believe that to be true.

Why would you be mocked? There's nothing wrong with sharing your views on spirituality or God if you feel strongly about the power of faith. Faith gives us hope, common values, morals, purpose, guidance and a spirit of generosity toward each other. Faith saved me from being lost on more than a few occasions. I haven't seen my mother since I was 8; but she taught me to pray and I still do. Good for you.

I think the bigger problem is how desensitized we've become to all of this. We sweep it under the rug without any meaningful discussion. We act horrified for a week or two, and then we resort to empty bumper-sticker slogans that tell us not to forget... but no discussion actually takes place. That needs to stop. I don't have strong feelings on gun-control one way or another. But if we move on from this without a meaningful national discussion, we deserve whatever follows.