(12-12-2012 12:13 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:01 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  Agree with PDoc here. Brown should step up and help UC out by giving them a deal to help it become profitable to play at PBS. Right now he gets $0 and if he gets UC down there, even if a very good deal for the Cats, something is > $0, so he benefits and gets some goodwill from the community, which actually could help sell more Bengal tickets in turn. And you can bet if he did a deal, the something would not be small for Mikey boy, but he should be able to make a good bit of money, while making it profitable for UC and not gouging fans with ticket prices.

MB has had 4 opportunities (tOSU, OU, WVU and UofL) to extend the opportunity to work a nice deal with UC. He hasn't. Why would you think he'd have an epiphany now?

It's the same story as the indoor practice facility. I understand that initially UC offered a joint venture with the Bengals to share one, but Brown turned it down. The bottom line is if he has to share something and can't control it on his own terms, he wants no part of it. Likely all stems from a sense of insecurity related to daddy issues and Art Modell giving Pops the boot back in the day.

Unrelated, but this goes to show that Tuberville "gets it" (aside from the mini-drama surrounding his last recruiting dinner at Texas Tech):

@TommyG @GameChanger: Coach Tuberville just told me he will hold a BBQ contest on campus every spring, open to the public, with trophy to the best.

(12-12-2012 11:29 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I will never understand how a stadium that is paid for by taxpayer money is 'owned' by the occupant of the stadium. It should be a city/county stadium. The Bengals should have some right to profits on game days for them, but that is where it should end.

That is a good point. The County owns it but the Bengals are the exclusive tenant.

The Colts are not the exclusive Tenant of Lucas Oil Stadium, they play there, but if you want to use the Stadium or attached conference center they have a booking authority that does that, you do not need permission from the Colts.

Lucas Oil is also funded from 5 central Indiana Counties, as opposed to 1 here, that being Hamilton County. Indy gets Final Fours, BIG games, and Super Bowl, and UC can't use PBS because it is cost prohibitive, go figure.

College games in NFL "stadia" (if we're going to be like P-Doc and use the proper plural) suck. Period.

They aren't designed to host bands, they aren't designed to cram tons of students into a confined space so they can make noise, they aren't designed to be hostile environments for opposing teams. You can't honor your program's tradition on the walls, you dress in someone else's locker room, and your logo is stored in a utility closet 357 days per year.

Pitt fans hate it. USF Fans hate it. If Temple or Tulane had fans, they'd hate it too (lowly Tulane is actually building a stadium on campus just to escape the atmosphre-less Superdome).

College games belong on campus. If you aren't going to play your games on campus, there's no point to having a football program IMO.

(12-12-2012 12:45 PM)CDS86 Wrote:  Unrelated, but this goes to show that Tuberville "gets it" (aside from the mini-drama surrounding his last recruiting dinner at Texas Tech):

@TommyG @GameChanger: Coach Tuberville just told me he will hold a BBQ contest on campus every spring, open to the public, with trophy to the best.

Little stuff like this goes along way. He gets it. And yummm!

(12-12-2012 12:43 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:13 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:01 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  Agree with PDoc here. Brown should step up and help UC out by giving them a deal to help it become profitable to play at PBS. Right now he gets $0 and if he gets UC down there, even if a very good deal for the Cats, something is > $0, so he benefits and gets some goodwill from the community, which actually could help sell more Bengal tickets in turn. And you can bet if he did a deal, the something would not be small for Mikey boy, but he should be able to make a good bit of money, while making it profitable for UC and not gouging fans with ticket prices.

MB has had 4 opportunities (tOSU, OU, WVU and UofL) to extend the opportunity to work a nice deal with UC. He hasn't. Why would you think he'd have an epiphany now?

It's the same story as the indoor practice facility. I understand that initially UC offered a joint venture with the Bengals to share one, but Brown turned it down. The bottom line is if he has to share something and can't control it on his own terms, he wants no part of it. Likely all stems from a sense of insecurity related to daddy issues and Art Modell giving Pops the boot back in the day.

Yes, UC tried to be collaborative on that for the benefit of both organizations and it went nowhere. While Mike Brown has been busy perfecting mediocrity with his teams he has completely forgotten that he is part of a community that has contributed to his personal fortune. As long as he operates that way he won't get a dime of my money through tickets or merchandise. I'm already subsidizing him through my property taxes.

(12-12-2012 01:01 PM)indycat Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:43 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:13 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:01 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  Agree with PDoc here. Brown should step up and help UC out by giving them a deal to help it become profitable to play at PBS. Right now he gets $0 and if he gets UC down there, even if a very good deal for the Cats, something is > $0, so he benefits and gets some goodwill from the community, which actually could help sell more Bengal tickets in turn. And you can bet if he did a deal, the something would not be small for Mikey boy, but he should be able to make a good bit of money, while making it profitable for UC and not gouging fans with ticket prices.

MB has had 4 opportunities (tOSU, OU, WVU and UofL) to extend the opportunity to work a nice deal with UC. He hasn't. Why would you think he'd have an epiphany now?

It's the same story as the indoor practice facility. I understand that initially UC offered a joint venture with the Bengals to share one, but Brown turned it down. The bottom line is if he has to share something and can't control it on his own terms, he wants no part of it. Likely all stems from a sense of insecurity related to daddy issues and Art Modell giving Pops the boot back in the day.

Yes, UC tried to be collaborative on that for the benefit of both organizations and it went nowhere. While Mike Brown has been busy perfecting mediocrity with his teams he has completely forgotten that he is part of a community that has contributed to his personal fortune. As long as he operates that way he won't get a dime of my money through tickets or merchandise. I'm already subsidizing him through my property taxes.

This, screw him. And for the 1,000th time, he isn't a great business man,
he inherited an NFL franchise. He isn't Synder, Jones, or Mark Cuban.

(12-12-2012 01:06 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 01:01 PM)indycat Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:43 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:13 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:01 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  Agree with PDoc here. Brown should step up and help UC out by giving them a deal to help it become profitable to play at PBS. Right now he gets $0 and if he gets UC down there, even if a very good deal for the Cats, something is > $0, so he benefits and gets some goodwill from the community, which actually could help sell more Bengal tickets in turn. And you can bet if he did a deal, the something would not be small for Mikey boy, but he should be able to make a good bit of money, while making it profitable for UC and not gouging fans with ticket prices.

MB has had 4 opportunities (tOSU, OU, WVU and UofL) to extend the opportunity to work a nice deal with UC. He hasn't. Why would you think he'd have an epiphany now?

It's the same story as the indoor practice facility. I understand that initially UC offered a joint venture with the Bengals to share one, but Brown turned it down. The bottom line is if he has to share something and can't control it on his own terms, he wants no part of it. Likely all stems from a sense of insecurity related to daddy issues and Art Modell giving Pops the boot back in the day.

Yes, UC tried to be collaborative on that for the benefit of both organizations and it went nowhere. While Mike Brown has been busy perfecting mediocrity with his teams he has completely forgotten that he is part of a community that has contributed to his personal fortune. As long as he operates that way he won't get a dime of my money through tickets or merchandise. I'm already subsidizing him through my property taxes.

This, screw him. And for the 1,000th time, he isn't a great business man,
he inherited an NFL franchise. He isn't Synder, Jones, or Mark Cuban.

No, but he's mastered the art of f-ing people over.

New Cougar stadium, Houston, 40,000 seats, $105 million, opens 2014. Yulman Stadiun, Tulane, 30,000 seats, $60 million, opens 2014. UCF, 45,000 seats, $55 million, opened 2009. UC adds 8000 seats for $60-70 million, seems out of line.

(12-12-2012 01:29 PM)Koop1969 Wrote:  New Cougar stadium, Houston, 40,000 seats, $105 million, opens 2014. Yulman Stadiun, Tulane, 30,000 seats, $60 million, opens 2014. UCF, 45,000 seats, $55 million, opened 2009. UC adds 8000 seats for $60-70 million, seems out of line.

Its out of line because we are in a landlocked area expanding on a current stadium. If we had nice flat land that we already owned I can assure you we wouldn't be expanding we'd be rebuilding. Seeing as that isn't the case, it's going to cost more to do.

The only one of those situations that's remotely comparable is Tulane -- they're also a landlocked campus and trying to squeeze a stadium onto an extremely small footprint (clearing out buildings on campus to make room).

But, again, they're building new as opposed to expanding on an existing structure (with the associated costs of doing so).

(12-12-2012 01:33 PM)Kco17 Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 01:29 PM)Koop1969 Wrote:  New Cougar stadium, Houston, 40,000 seats, $105 million, opens 2014. Yulman Stadiun, Tulane, 30,000 seats, $60 million, opens 2014. UCF, 45,000 seats, $55 million, opened 2009. UC adds 8000 seats for $60-70 million, seems out of line.

Its out of line because we are in a landlocked area expanding on a current stadium. If we had nice flat land that we already owned I can assure you we wouldn't be expanding we'd be rebuilding. Seeing as that isn't the case, it's going to cost more to do.

Exactly...lot easier to build new than expand a current stadium.

Guess Michigan really messed up with the Big House when they added only 2,000 seats at a cost of $226 million (funded through private donations and the new revenue generated by the 49 suites and 1,900+ outdoor club seats).

I don't think UC will ever have an easy time filling a stadium; whether it's PBS or one that has a couple thousand obstructed view seats.

I don't see why this is a big deal to some of you. There are very good reasons why even when the team is doing well it's difficult to sell out.

I think expansion is the wat to go, the isues with PBS and Mike Brown leaves no income for the program, Burnett Woods is owned by the City, the cost would be tremendous and enviromental nutjobs would be out in force.

(12-12-2012 12:13 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:01 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  Agree with PDoc here. Brown should step up and help UC out by giving them a deal to help it become profitable to play at PBS. Right now he gets $0 and if he gets UC down there, even if a very good deal for the Cats, something is > $0, so he benefits and gets some goodwill from the community, which actually could help sell more Bengal tickets in turn. And you can bet if he did a deal, the something would not be small for Mikey boy, but he should be able to make a good bit of money, while making it profitable for UC and not gouging fans with ticket prices.

MB has had 4 opportunities (tOSU, OU, WVU and UofL) to extend the opportunity to work a nice deal with UC. He hasn't. Why would you think he'd have an epiphany now?

I don't see it happening either. You'd think he'd be receptive to it, but for whatever reason, its like he wants everyone to know he screwed the county and if you want to use his stadium, it will cost you. He acts like you need me more than I need you. Another reason I have not paid for a Bengals ticket in like 10 years and have not gone in a few years. Especially now that I have to pay more property tax for a county owned stadium that the county can't use. If I thought he cared at all, I'd send him a note making my thoughts known (Who many share with me).

(12-12-2012 01:29 PM)Koop1969 Wrote:  New Cougar stadium, Houston, 40,000 seats, $105 million, opens 2014. Yulman Stadiun, Tulane, 30,000 seats, $60 million, opens 2014. UCF, 45,000 seats, $55 million, opened 2009. UC adds 8000 seats for $60-70 million, seems out of line.

I'm guessing 60-70% of the major cost will be for the press box/suites, etc and the rest for new non-luxury seating and concessions/restrooms, etc.

I guess we need to see some plans so we can end the speculation.

"Five yards to go - then drop"

Nippert is the football stadium for the Cincinnati Bearcats. Its Hallowed Ground. Its the heart of campus. Its our tradition.

I'm excited to see the plans for the renovation.

Think symetry and big pressbox.

(12-12-2012 11:30 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 10:26 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  PDoc weighs in on the subject:
....even as the games there have drawn very well.

Inaccurate.

How is it inaccurate?: UC vs. Ohio State-sellout; vs. Oklahoma-58,000; vs. WVU-47,000, vs. Louisville-40,000+. I would like to see UC have one game per year at PBS vs. a national opponent on the same weekend as Octoberfest. Tremendous advertisement for the City of Cincinnati and the University of Cincinnati.

(12-12-2012 07:53 PM)Demoengr Wrote:  Think symetry and big pressbox.

Have you seen drawings to give you the "think symetry and big pressbox" opinion or is it just a hunch?

Symetry sounds good. I don't like those stadiums that have one side that is much bigger than the other (the Trahan drawings looked good, but something like the Maryland stadium is way over the top). They aren't going to do anything that doesn't fit in with the campus architectural plan.