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RE: Comments from Big East about ECU Basketaball
(12-11-2012 01:39 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 01:14 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  ECU fans...

Based on the comments below, I think its fair to say that its very obvious the Big East does not want ECU basketball. The question is....where do you guys go? CAA? Southern Conference? Big South? What is the preference among ECU supports? I assume the CAA?



http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ic-schools

"The basketball schools are not thrilled with Tulane and what they will do to the league's RPI," said a league source from a football-playing member. "They were not all that excited with that addition."

The source added that "the basketball schools would have fallen off the ledge if we would have added East Carolina as a full member and what that would have done to the basketball league."

Here is the crazy part:

2012-2013 RPI:
103 - East Carolina
118 - Providence
163 - USF
183 - DePaul
185 - Houston
206 - Tulane

2011-2012 RPI:
156 - Providence
158 - St Johns
167 - East Carolina
197 - DePaul
211 - Houston
216 - SMU
251 - Tulane

2010-2011 RPI:
102 - Seton Hall
108 - East Carolina
154 - Providence
155 - USF
188 - SMU
234 - DePaul
235 - Tulane
241 - Houston

At the risk of sounding redundant, ECU played a combined 11 non D1 teams as regular season games during those years. You can keep pretending that has no effect on your basketball perception, but the Big East just flat out called it.
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RE: Comments from Big East about ECU Basketaball
(12-11-2012 04:53 PM)Tintin Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 01:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 01:39 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Here is the crazy part:

2012-2013 RPI:
103 - East Carolina
118 - Providence
163 - USF
183 - DePaul
185 - Houston
206 - Tulane

2011-2012 RPI:
156 - Providence
158 - St Johns
167 - East Carolina
197 - DePaul
211 - Houston
216 - SMU
251 - Tulane

2010-2011 RPI:
102 - Seton Hall
108 - East Carolina
154 - Providence
155 - USF
188 - SMU
234 - DePaul
235 - Tulane
241 - Houston

Those numbers are fine but they have nothing to do with the Catholic's real problem with ECU. That has everything to do with where we are located and maybe to a lesser extent some academic snobbery. Those are the 2 reasons why Tulane got an all sports invite and we didn't.

The 4 d-2 games a year aren't impressing anyone either.

Actually I find it pretty ironic we were still able to get our RPI that high DESPITE playing 2-4 D2 games per year. Bravo Queens you're basketball Gods.
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(12-11-2012 05:04 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  They seem to bother Charlotte fans more than anyone else. I remember hearing people complain at one point that they would hurt ECU's RPI and therefore hurt the league but it's clear that hasn't really been the case. I don't like the games, but if ECU is such a meaningless basketball program that is deserving of no ones time then why do Charlotte fans spend so much time caring about who ECU schedules? Either we matter or we don't make up your mind I don't care either way.

It's because their feelings are hurt now that we won't help them sell tickets to their football games. If you listen closely you can hear the sound of the first mouthpiece being boiled in Charlotte.
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(12-11-2012 02:18 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 02:11 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 02:02 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 01:51 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  This Big East is embarrassing ECU. First it shuns the school for years only inviting them when all options are exhausted. "we really don't want you but you're all that's left" then the Big East tells ECU they aren't good enough to play basketball with them.

If I was AD, I wouldn't want my University treated like this. Who is this Big East that has its' own share of bottom dwellers in basketball to say ECU can't play with them.

Pathetic Conference.

I don't disagree, but until a better option surfaces this is what ECU is stuck with. The football schools in the Big East for the most part are a stronger group than what's going to be in C-USA and that's my concern. ECU needs to be with a group of football schools that are most closely our peers in terms of facilities, support, budget, and history. Basically the level of schools that ECU football should be in a league with was the original C-USA. The Big East in football is the closest thing to original C-USA. I like ODU as a C-USA addition and think long term you will be a more attractive conference member than several of the current and future Big East schools, but that's still several years down the road.

Again, how demoralizing is it for your basketball team to see the Big East LOGO on football jerseys while they have CAA on theirs. It's wrong. Boise State isn't in for all sports because they don't want to spend the money on traveling costs for everything else. ECU isn't in for all sports because the Big East doesn't want them. Big difference and a slap in the face to ECU athletics.

Where's ECU's dignity?

Maybe it will make them play harder

If Lebo is any coach?...He will make lots of hay out of this in the locker room. This team has an opportunity handed to them. Now is the time to step it up.
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RE: Comments from Big East about ECU Basketaball
(12-11-2012 05:04 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 04:53 PM)Tintin Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 01:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 01:39 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 01:14 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  ECU fans...

Based on the comments below, I think its fair to say that its very obvious the Big East does not want ECU basketball. The question is....where do you guys go? CAA? Southern Conference? Big South? What is the preference among ECU supports? I assume the CAA?



http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ic-schools

"The basketball schools are not thrilled with Tulane and what they will do to the league's RPI," said a league source from a football-playing member. "They were not all that excited with that addition."

The source added that "the basketball schools would have fallen off the ledge if we would have added East Carolina as a full member and what that would have done to the basketball league."

Here is the crazy part:

2012-2013 RPI:
103 - East Carolina
118 - Providence
163 - USF
183 - DePaul
185 - Houston
206 - Tulane

2011-2012 RPI:
156 - Providence
158 - St Johns
167 - East Carolina
197 - DePaul
211 - Houston
216 - SMU
251 - Tulane

2010-2011 RPI:
102 - Seton Hall
108 - East Carolina
154 - Providence
155 - USF
188 - SMU
234 - DePaul
235 - Tulane
241 - Houston

Those numbers are fine but they have nothing to do with the Catholic's real problem with ECU. That has everything to do with where we are located and maybe to a lesser extent some academic snobbery. Those are the 2 reasons why Tulane got an all sports invite and we didn't.

The 4 d-2 games a year aren't impressing anyone either.

They seem to bother Charlotte fans more than anyone else. I remember hearing people complain at one point that they would hurt ECU's RPI and therefore hurt the league but it's clear that hasn't really been the case. I don't like the games, but if ECU is such a meaningless basketball program that is deserving of no ones time then why do Charlotte fans spend so much time caring about who ECU schedules? Either we matter or we don't make up your mind I don't care either way.

read the quote below
"The source added that "the basketball schools would have fallen off the ledge if we would have added East Carolina as a full member and what that would have done to the basketball league."

The Big East doesn't want ECU to play basketball in their conference because of ECU's inability or lack of desire to schedule d1 games.
You can whine about media market all you want, but this is the biggest reason ECU has been where they are for so long. You think Georgetown wants to be in a conference with a school that plays St Augustine and UVA Wise every year. You are down seven votes every time.
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(12-11-2012 07:42 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 04:53 PM)Tintin Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 01:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 01:39 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Here is the crazy part:

2012-2013 RPI:
103 - East Carolina
118 - Providence
163 - USF
183 - DePaul
185 - Houston
206 - Tulane

2011-2012 RPI:
156 - Providence
158 - St Johns
167 - East Carolina
197 - DePaul
211 - Houston
216 - SMU
251 - Tulane

2010-2011 RPI:
102 - Seton Hall
108 - East Carolina
154 - Providence
155 - USF
188 - SMU
234 - DePaul
235 - Tulane
241 - Houston

Those numbers are fine but they have nothing to do with the Catholic's real problem with ECU. That has everything to do with where we are located and maybe to a lesser extent some academic snobbery. Those are the 2 reasons why Tulane got an all sports invite and we didn't.

The 4 d-2 games a year aren't impressing anyone either.

Actually I find it pretty ironic we were still able to get our RPI that high DESPITE playing 2-4 D2 games per year. Bravo Queens you're basketball Gods.

That's because these games don't count.
Every other school in the country calls them exhibitions. They are not counted in your RPI.
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We still got more votes than Charlotte 03-yawn
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Does your basketball team matter on an in-state rivalry level? Yes. Does your team matter as far as national prominence or as a Big East target? No. You act as if Charlotte people said it. This came from the horses mouth.

Tintin hit the nail on the head. By your very own posting of RPI you can see your team falls middle to lower pack at best. This does not even including your Non DI opponents that would be ranked in the 350s had they counted, pulling those RPI and SOS numbers down. They don't want another bottom feeder. That is the point. They already bent backwards diluting The Big East basketball brand. You know what severities the big east from the a10? The lack of bottom feeders to pull down the RPI. They don't want an average of 150 RPI. They were once the premier basketball conference in the country.

I, personally find it intriguing that just yesterday NBPirate "knew" you were Big East bound from inside sources it was a done deal. Then when I made the argument that you can't "know" because even the Big East does not know yet, and everyone jumped my **** like I committed a cardinal sin of some sort. I merely pointed out that it is far from done.

I believe basketball school defections are ECUs ticket to all sports. I still think for better or for worse it will end up being CUSA 3.0.
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(12-11-2012 08:27 PM)Tintin Wrote:  read the quote below
"The source added that "the basketball schools would have fallen off the ledge if we would have added East Carolina as a full member and what that would have done to the basketball league."

Your RPI has been no better the last few years.

Quote:The Big East doesn't want ECU to play basketball in their conference

Old CUSA didn't want your basketball either back when you still had good basketball. You can pretend your big time basketball program is getting you places, but its not. The only reason you are even in CUSA right now is because you finally started up football in 2013.
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(12-11-2012 06:52 PM)HXC NINER Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 01:39 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 01:14 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  ECU fans...

Based on the comments below, I think its fair to say that its very obvious the Big East does not want ECU basketball. The question is....where do you guys go? CAA? Southern Conference? Big South? What is the preference among ECU supports? I assume the CAA?



http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ic-schools

"The basketball schools are not thrilled with Tulane and what they will do to the league's RPI," said a league source from a football-playing member. "They were not all that excited with that addition."

The source added that "the basketball schools would have fallen off the ledge if we would have added East Carolina as a full member and what that would have done to the basketball league."

Here is the crazy part:

2012-2013 RPI:
103 - East Carolina
118 - Providence
163 - USF
183 - DePaul
185 - Houston
206 - Tulane

2011-2012 RPI:
156 - Providence
158 - St Johns
167 - East Carolina
197 - DePaul
211 - Houston
216 - SMU
251 - Tulane

2010-2011 RPI:
102 - Seton Hall
108 - East Carolina
154 - Providence
155 - USF
188 - SMU
234 - DePaul
235 - Tulane
241 - Houston

At the risk of sounding redundant, ECU played a combined 11 non D1 teams as regular season games during those years. You can keep pretending that has no effect on your basketball perception, but the Big East just flat out called it.

Who cares if the Big East basketball schools leave, because except for Marquette and Georgetown; none of them have done that much lately. Even without those schools in the conference this is still a very good group:


UCF
USF
Cinci
UConn
Navy
ECU
Temple
Memphis
Houston
SMU
Boise
SDSU

And that group is certainly more attractive than what Charlotte is going to be a part of. Let me remind you of what your future looks like:

MTSU
FIU
FAU
UTSA
UAB
Rice
Charlotte
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(12-11-2012 08:27 PM)Tintin Wrote:  The Big East doesn't want ECU to play basketball in their conference because of ECU's inability or lack of desire to schedule d1 games.
You can whine about media market all you want, but this is the biggest reason ECU has been where they are for so long. You think Georgetown wants to be in a conference with a school that plays St Augustine and UVA Wise every year. You are down seven votes every time.

You got anything to back up that statement?

Here's a better hypothesis for you.....

The Big East basketball schools simply aren't interested in making the trip to Greenville via flying to Raleigh (most likely) then busing over. Or flying to Charlotte then to Greenville. Now...some of them may charter, I don't know there. If so, they can easily fly right to Greenville. But if they fly commercial, they most likely have to do the 1st method. I know several C-USA baseball teams fly commercial into Raleigh, then bus over to Greenville. UCF's softball team did the same 2 seasons ago.

I betcha our basketball schedule improves as we win more. Also continue to increase our basketball budget so we can afford to buy more low end D1's. Also getting into more early season tournaments will help too. We're trying to get into the preseason NIT when the early games are at Cameron Indoor next season.

UMASS, Charlotte, GW, Georgia St, UNC-G, App St, Gardner-Webb, Campbell.........we've scheduled plenty of D1 programs over the years. Don't act like we don't schedule any. Also don't act like "power conference" schools ALL don't schedule non-D1 opponents from time to time. Sometimes more than 1 per season. It happens everywhere around the country.
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(12-11-2012 08:40 PM)HXC NINER Wrote:  Tintin hit the nail on the head. By your very own posting of RPI you can see your team falls middle to lower pack at best. This does not even including your Non DI opponents that would be ranked in the 350s had they counted, pulling those RPI and SOS numbers down.

We played 1 more D1 game than you even did in Lebo's and Majors first year. You finished 225th we finished 108. More D1 teams. That's plenty to compare, nothing to skewed about or like 3 games out of 34 would even be a dent in the hat.

Quote:They don't want another bottom feeder. That is the point. They already bent backwards diluting The Big East basketball brand.

They don't want you either. Even old CUSA didn't want your basketball around when you were still going to NCAA's and in the top 25.

Quote:I believe basketball school defections are ECUs ticket to all sports. I still think for better or for worse it will end up being CUSA 3.0.

still better than what you got going on.
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(12-11-2012 08:45 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 08:27 PM)Tintin Wrote:  The Big East doesn't want ECU to play basketball in their conference because of ECU's inability or lack of desire to schedule d1 games.
You can whine about media market all you want, but this is the biggest reason ECU has been where they are for so long. You think Georgetown wants to be in a conference with a school that plays St Augustine and UVA Wise every year. You are down seven votes every time.

You got anything to back up that statement?

@McMurphyES​PN: Big East source: "Basketball schools not thrilled w/Tulane & what they will do to lRPI. They would have fallen off ledge if we added ECU"[/quote]
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(12-11-2012 08:51 PM)HXC NINER Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 08:45 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 08:27 PM)Tintin Wrote:  The Big East doesn't want ECU to play basketball in their conference because of ECU's inability or lack of desire to schedule d1 games.
You can whine about media market all you want, but this is the biggest reason ECU has been where they are for so long. You think Georgetown wants to be in a conference with a school that plays St Augustine and UVA Wise every year. You are down seven votes every time.

You got anything to back up that statement?

@McMurphyES​PN: Big East source: "Basketball schools not thrilled w/Tulane & what they will do to lRPI. They would have fallen off ledge if we added ECU"
[/quote]

And? That quote says zero about our perceived inability to schedule. It's a pretty shallow quote, lacks substance. Who knows why those schools that way. Could be trying to travel to Greenville. Could be our location. Could be our lack of history in basketball. Could be that we're a large public school and don't really "fit in" with their viewpoints. Who knows?
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(12-11-2012 08:45 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  
(12-11-2012 08:27 PM)Tintin Wrote:  The Big East doesn't want ECU to play basketball in their conference because of ECU's inability or lack of desire to schedule d1 games.
You can whine about media market all you want, but this is the biggest reason ECU has been where they are for so long. You think Georgetown wants to be in a conference with a school that plays St Augustine and UVA Wise every year. You are down seven votes every time.

You got anything to back up that statement?

Here's a better hypothesis for you.....

The Big East basketball schools simply aren't interested in making the trip to Greenville via flying to Raleigh (most likely) then busing over. Or flying to Charlotte then to Greenville. Now...some of them may charter, I don't know there. If so, they can easily fly right to Greenville. But if they fly commercial, they most likely have to do the 1st method. I know several C-USA baseball teams fly commercial into Raleigh, then bus over to Greenville. UCF's softball team did the same 2 seasons ago.

I betcha our basketball schedule improves as we win more. Also continue to increase our basketball budget so we can afford to buy more low end D1's. Also getting into more early season tournaments will help too. We're trying to get into the preseason NIT when the early games are at Cameron Indoor next season.

UMASS, Charlotte, GW, Georgia St, UNC-G, App St, Gardner-Webb, Campbell.........we've scheduled plenty of D1 programs over the years. Don't act like we don't schedule any. Also don't act like "power conference" schools ALL don't schedule non-D1 opponents from time to time. Sometimes more than 1 per season. It happens everywhere around the country.

No need to even go that far with those guys, because they are just jealous. Even if the basketball schools take off; then the schools left will still be an excellent basketball conference. UConn, Cincinatti, Memphis and Temple are pretty good in basketball and by associating in a a conference with them; ECU's basketball future is very bright.
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that McMurphy tweet lacks context and substance. who knows how his full conversation with his source went. I agree Marv.....our future is bright, regardless of whether we go to the CAA, A-10, a whole new east coast conference, etc......

we'll be fine.

and btw...McMurphy went on the David Glenn show earlier today and talked about all of this.
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Holy **** niner fans need to learn to stfu sometimes.

This Charlotte-ECU **** is starting to make the Dayton-Xavier talk on the A10 board look tame.
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(12-11-2012 08:46 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  We played 1 more D1 game than you even did in Lebo's and Majors first year. You finished 225th we finished 108. More D1 teams. That's plenty to compare, nothing to skewed about or like 3 games out of 34 would even be a dent in the hat.

“They imposed their will on us,” said Pirates coach Jeff Lebo. “They controlled the inside."

“Their size really put us at a disadvantage tonight.”

It's no wonder you continue to schedule small DIII teams

Quote:They don't want you either. Even old CUSA didn't want your basketball around when you were still going to NCAA's and in the top 25.

Better than still being on the outside looking in, bent over and joining a conference with the audacity to invite you for just football (in the middle of the Big East footprint) and straight up tell you that your basketball product is trash and they want nothing to do with it.

Quote:still better than what you got going on.

IF it comes down to that and all the basketball schools leave, i believe Charlotte too, will be in that group. No, I don't have secret sources that have a crystal ball. It is not a done deal. That is my speculation.
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Trololololo lo lo lo lol (for Xmas)
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I like you, UNC-Charlotte. I do. You don't make it easy. I'm trying to go into this with an open mind but...

After reading this thread, all I see is a lot of jealousy because it appears ECU is going to be in a better basketball situation (among other things) than UNC-Charlotte will, despite Charlotte's completely awesome supernatural fantastic basketball team that has been magnificent for years and years and years and always better than ECU's.

We no longer have a men's soccer team so find something else to brag about Charlotte fans 02-13-banana

As for the Catholic b-ball only schools-- F--- 'EM! Who cares what they want? One dimensional sports programs aren't anything too special in the end... just ask Charlotte. 04-rock
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