(12-12-2012 11:21 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Joe, Chris and Tarik have played over 70 games together.

Adonis is a future first rounder.

Shaq is by far our best bet for our second post behind Tarik.

Joe
Chris
Adonis
Shaq
Tarik

That's our starting 5 and we need to stick to it. The players who have started the season slow won't get the continuity they need to get comfortable if they're being shuffled in and out.

That makes no reasonable sense.

Who cares if they've played 70 games together? Of those 70 games they've beaten ZERO Top 25 teams and they have ZERO wins in the NCAA. And here in their Junior years, they've shown little improvement over previous years, and they continue to have "slow starts" almost game after game.

You may be content with beating Christian Brothers and UAB then calling it a day, but I'm sure the entire Tiger team/staff is not.

Geron is so much better than both Joe and Chris that to start the latter two over him makes as much sense as starting Willie Kemp and Roburt Sallie over Tyreke. Actually, it makes even less sense if you factor in how dynamic a player Geron is (and how "slow" Joe and Chris routinely start games).

Anyone who thinks the current starting five has shown little improvement over the past 70 games needs to either up or lower their meds as necessary.

(12-12-2012 01:31 PM)transitt Wrote:  Anyone who thinks the current starting five has shown little improvement over the past 70 games needs to either up or lower their meds as necessary.

Without Shaq and Geron emerging this board would likely be calling for Pastner to be fired. It's amazing how quickly 2-3 wins over mid/low major teams can make folks forget. This Tiger team played horrible in the Bahamas and their previous games weren't too impressive either.

And oh, DJ has being playing EXCELLENT. Huge improvements that young man has been making.

(12-12-2012 01:34 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 01:31 PM)transitt Wrote:  Anyone who thinks the current starting five has shown little improvement over the past 70 games needs to either up or lower their meds as necessary.

Without Shaq and Geron emerging this board would likely be calling for Pastner to be fired. It's amazing how quickly 2-3 wins over mid/low major teams can make folks forget. This Tiger team played horrible in the Bahamas and their previous games weren't too impressive either.

You seriously just said Geron was like Reke and Joe was like Willie Kemp? You seriously said that.....wow.

Tell you what, let's just kick everyone off the team and just have Geron and Shaq play. As a matter of fact, we'll fire Josh and have Geron coach, too.

Geron had two really good back to back games. I think it's a bit early to crown him an all time Tiger great, don't you?

Once again, you are pulling this Geron is great while Chris and Joe suck crap (and yes, you really are).

Geron plays really hard and is a tough, physical defender. Joe and Chris could both learn from that. However, as a shooter, rebounder, passer, etc. His numbers are really no better than either Chris or Joe. Were he LOADS better, his numbers would be LOADS better.

I'm glad he's a Tiger. I'm equally glad that Joe and Chris are Tigers.

I can't keep up with who our starting five are, but our best five, by far, are Joe, Geron, Adonis, Shaq, and Black. The longer those five are on the floor together the better the chances of winning

One more thing.... I keep noticing the Sunshine Pumpers pushing for "entitlements" on this team.

"Starting the new guy wouldn't be good for team chemistry"
"They have played over 70 games together"
etc


I thought the consensus is that the entitlement-mentality has been a problem?

(12-12-2012 01:24 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 11:21 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Joe, Chris and Tarik have played over 70 games together.

Adonis is a future first rounder.

Shaq is by far our best bet for our second post behind Tarik.

Joe
Chris
Adonis
Shaq
Tarik

That's our starting 5 and we need to stick to it. The players who have started the season slow won't get the continuity they need to get comfortable if they're being shuffled in and out.

That makes no reasonable sense.

Who cares if they've played 70 games together? Of those 70 games they've beaten ZERO Top 25 teams and they have ZERO wins in the NCAA. And here in their Junior years, they've shown little improvement over previous years, and they continue to have "slow starts" almost game after game.

You may be content with beating Christian Brothers and UAB then calling it a day, but I'm sure the entire Tiger team/staff is not.

Geron is so much better than both Joe and Chris that to start the latter two over him makes as much sense as starting Willie Kemp and Roburt Sallie over Tyreke. Actually, it makes even less sense if you factor in how dynamic a player Geron is (and how "slow" Joe and Chris routinely start games).

You're judging this on 5 games of div. 1 play.

As soon as Geron has a poor game, you're the kind of fan that will be calling for his head and decrying the coaching staff for not benching him for Joe or Chris.

It's important that these guys have played 70 games together for the same reason that upperclassmen are more reliable than freshmen. The more experience the better.

Is Geron really lacking for minutes? No one is going to play more than 30 minutes a game on average, so do you just want to hear his name called before the game or something? Do you want to "punish" Joe or Chris for not averaging 20 pts per game? I don't get it.

(12-12-2012 01:49 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote:  One more thing.... I keep noticing the Sunshine Pumpers pushing for "entitlements" on this team.

"Starting the new guy wouldn't be good for team chemistry"
"They have played over 70 games together"
etc


I thought the consensus is that the entitlement-mentality has been a problem?

It's not about "entitlement", it's about the longterm good of the team.

The players you have on the floor are more than the sum of the parts. These guys are comfortable playing together because they've played together the longest. It's destabilizing to shuffle your lineup after every game depending on who performed well or not. We've got a lineup, just stick with it and play ball. Everyone who needs to be getting minutes is getting minutes.

(12-12-2012 01:34 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 01:31 PM)transitt Wrote:  Anyone who thinks the current starting five has shown little improvement over the past 70 games needs to either up or lower their meds as necessary.

Without Shaq and Geron emerging this board would likely be calling for Pastner to be fired. It's amazing how quickly 2-3 wins over mid/low major teams can make folks forget. This Tiger team played horrible in the Bahamas and their previous games weren't too impressive either.

No one has forgotten anything, you won't let us.

(12-12-2012 01:41 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote:  And oh, DJ has being playing EXCELLENT. Huge improvements that young man has been making.

At least one thing we can agree on.

(12-12-2012 01:54 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  You're judging this on 5 games of div. 1 play.

No, not just that. But even still, those 5 games he has shown just how far and beyond he is above EVERYONE on the court. I'm sure Josh knew how dynamic the kid was after 1 JUCO game. When you're dealing with elite-level talent is shows very quickly. Yes, you'd have to observe Joe and Chris longer because they aren't elite-level talent.

(12-12-2012 01:54 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  As soon as Geron has a poor game, you're the kind of fan that will be calling for his head and decrying the coaching staff for not benching him for Joe or Chris.

By no means. I'm not of the bi-polar fan ilk. Nor am I a Sunshine Pumping blue goggle wearer.

(12-12-2012 01:54 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  It's important that these guys have played 70 games together for the same reason that upperclassmen are more reliable than freshmen. The more experience the better.

That is typically the case. However, after the first 5-6 games of this season it is clear that our "core group" hasn't progressed much that this logic can be applied to them. Just do a search on this board for "regressed" or "aren't we upperclassmen now?". This board was in total meltdown because this group of upperclassman were playing like scrubs. Thankfully Geron and Shaq emerged.... DJ deserved recognition as well.

Good thing is I think the Joe, Chris and Tarik will trive/improve playing behind the likes of Geron and Shaq.

(12-12-2012 01:54 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Is Geron really lacking for minutes? No one is going to play more than 30 minutes a game on average, so do you just want to hear his name called before the game or something? Do you want to "punish" Joe or Chris for not averaging 20 pts per game? I don't get it.

It's not about minutes more than its about being the best team they can be.... "starting slow" is an idiotic game-plan. This team now has the personal to "start strong". With the emergance of Geron and Shaq this team can break the hump and make a deep Tourney run. However to do so this team needs to play its best players as a unit.

(12-12-2012 11:04 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 05:32 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Andre Turner, Bobby Parks and Doom Haynes


Penny Hardaway, Billy Smith and Tony Madlock

I've never considered Bobby Parks a guard, but perhaps that's just a mindset for me.

If he played today he would be considered a wing.

There are only 3 positions now

PG
Wing
Big

The 2/3/4 are gone. LOL

(12-12-2012 02:12 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote:  It's not about minutes more than its about being the best team they can be.... "starting slow" is an idiotic game-plan. This team now has the personal to "start strong". With the emergance of Geron and Shaq this team can break the hump and make a deep Tourney run. However to do so this team needs to play its best players as a unit.

I've got to ask, brother. What is the obsession with "starting slow"? Why does it matter if we start slow, if we win the game? I'd rather be a second half team than a first half team. Ever since our Elite 8 runs, when we've been known as a deeper and more athletic team, we've been slow starting. I can't tell you how many games I've watched when we have opposing teams hang with us for the first 10 minutes, only to have their starters tire out and our second string blow the game wide open. It happens like clockwork.

Why do you assume that if Geron was starting, that he would not start slow as well?

If Geron brings energy (which we know he does), wouldn't it be just as important to bring him in 7-10 minutes into the game, when the starters take a seat. Opposing guards are either second stringers themselves and not talented enough to handle Geron, or wiped out first stringers. Either way, it benefits the Tigers.

(12-12-2012 01:59 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 01:49 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote:  One more thing.... I keep noticing the Sunshine Pumpers pushing for "entitlements" on this team.

"Starting the new guy wouldn't be good for team chemistry"
"They have played over 70 games together"
etc


I thought the consensus is that the entitlement-mentality has been a problem?

It's not about "entitlement", it's about the longterm good of the team.

The players you have on the floor are more than the sum of the parts. These guys are comfortable playing together because they've played together the longest. It's destabilizing to shuffle your lineup after every game depending on who performed well or not. We've got a lineup, just stick with it and play ball. Everyone who needs to be getting minutes is getting minutes.

WOW that is a psychologically amazing post.

1) One of the few consistent things on this team has been an inconsistent lineup. To act as if placing Geron into the starting lineup now will "destabilize" things is absolutely ludicrous. This team has never had much stability and it still doesn't. Josh has tinkered with the line up so much in part because NONE of the guys have been consistent starter-material. This is truth, and it's a major reason this team has never beat a top-level team (unless you put it on Josh being a poor coach).

2) No, we don't have a "starting lineup".... we have the same guards that Josh has been shuffling the past 2-3 years. There is good reason he has been shuffling them.

3) Over the past couple years Josh has been sharing minutes between FIVE guards of very similar attributes and skill-sets. He has never been satisfied with this. Now we have four guards, with ONE being a dynamic NBA-level ball-handling scorer. We also now have a rising star big man in Shaq. This team is that much closer to a SOLID CORE group of consistent starters.... to not take advantage of this would be absolutely ludicrous.

4) Regarding the "longterm good of the team", I'm sure it is to stay healthy and to win big games. This team has constantly lost big games (outside of CUSA). And when two of your team captains have "walked off" at various points, surely your team isn't very healthy.

Good thing is that I don't think Josh shares the coaching skills of this boards Sunshine Pumpers. If so, we can expect the same ole same ole (even though we now have Geron and Shaq).

(12-12-2012 11:14 AM)dwash Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 04:12 PM)TigerDieHard Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 03:27 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 06:48 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 06:09 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  And leave our fastest player and best free throw shooter on the bench?



#smh

Right -- you don't sit Jackson now --- not the way he's playing at SG.

A 5'10" 160lb shooting guard.

Look out world, HERE WE COME.

Joe Jackson is 6'0 170 not 5'10 160.

Joe Jackson is listed at 6'0". It's generous, to say the least.

His athleticism and hops make him play more like a 6-2 to 6-3 range.

(12-12-2012 02:32 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  I've got to ask, brother. What is the obsession with "starting slow"? Why does it matter if we start slow, if we win the game?

Amazing.

The Tigers may "start slow" yet still win versus scrubs like CBU and Samford, but what happens when they "start slow" against VCU (oops).... and please don't "start slow" against Louisville.

Why anyone would be content with "starting slow" is amazing.

I just can't agree with a lot of what you're saying. You seem infatuated with Geron, like he's some shiny new toy and Chris and Joe are old news.

We all love Geron's game, and if he keeps playing at the level he is, our back court will be stellar this season. You keep referring to him as a Tyreke Evans-esque All-American NBA-sure-thinger, and this is after 5 division 1 games, averaging 11 per, shooting below 30% from 3 and averaging 3 1/2 assists per game. I don't mean to degrade Geron's performance, we all know he's going to be great.

Joe's averaging as many points, shooting better, putting up more assists. Chris is rebounding better than Geron right now, and he is shooting better.

It sounds like you're saying "Geron played better against Ohio and Austin Peay, thus he should be the new starter". What happens when Geron has another game like he did against UNI? Do we revamp the lineup again?

(12-12-2012 02:48 PM)Memp400Kng Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 02:32 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  I've got to ask, brother. What is the obsession with "starting slow"? Why does it matter if we start slow, if we win the game?

Amazing.

The Tigers may "start slow" yet still win versus scrubs like CBU and Samford, but what happens when they "start slow" against VCU (oops).... and please don't "start slow" against Louisville.

Why anyone would be content with "starting slow" is amazing.

I think we can all agree that having Geron against VCU would've been helpful. So far, we've started slow and lost against 1 team, so why do we assume that it's a problem if we're finishing games well?

At what point do you step back from this argument and realize that you're being a bit of a drama queen?

(12-12-2012 02:50 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  It sounds like you're saying "Geron played better against Ohio and Austin Peay, thus he should be the new starter". What happens when Geron has another game like he did against UNI? Do we revamp the lineup again?

By no means. Stan could drop 20 points and snag 12 rebounds against Louisville and I'd still say he shouldn't be NEAR a starting postion.

Geron should be a starter because he is BY FAR the best player on this team. There is no comparison, so to sit him would be head-scratching to say the least... this is especially true considering how the Tigers have routinely "started slow".