(12-10-2012 04:24 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 01:49 PM)3601 Wrote:  We won't have a lot of opportunites to get good quality wins for our NCAA tournament resume. The other day I heard someone say that this game could be the difference between a 3/4 seed and an 8/9 seed.

At first blush that sounded like hyperbole. However, the more I thougth it about the more I think it might not be that much of a stretch. A single game SHOULDN'T make that much difference, but because of our situation and schedule I think it might actually could.

Ask me in March.

I won't really care by then.

(12-10-2012 03:37 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 03:00 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  If we lose this game and lose in Knoxville we will put together a solid 20-3 streak the rest of the season and receive an 8 seed. Sound familiar?

Can we play St. Louis?

They died last week

(12-10-2012 04:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 03:51 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 02:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  If Memphis loses to Louisville, this team will be viewed in the vein of a "mid major" for seeding purposes.

If they lose to Louisville and then win out, they will be 31-3. Likely be a 4/5 seed. (unless Xavier is one of the best in the A10). Then a solid 4.

If lose to Louisville and lose 1-2 more games (29-5), high 5, low 6 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 3-4 more games 27-7, 9/10 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 5+ bubble.

If they beat Louisville and run the table, they will be 32-2. Good for the best 3 seed or worst 2 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 1 or 2 more (30-4) 3/4 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 3-4 more (28-6) 6/7 seed

Beat UofL and lose 5+ more 10 seed and bubble beyond that.

LOL if we beat Louisville and win out (32-2) we will be a #1 seed, and possibly the top #1 seed at that. Our RPI at worse would be 2nd in the country.

I don't think so. Our RPI, SOS and seeding would likely be similar to Murray State's last season. Murray State was 4-1 against RPI top 50 teams last year. They were 28-2, their RPI was 21, and they got a 6 seed.

We could lose only 2 games and end up a 2 or 3 seed. It all depends on what other schools do.

Murray State doesn't have the same kind of name recognition that we do.

Just as an example, as an impartial observer, who would you give the higher seed to....A 28-3 Murray team or a 28-3 Memphis team?

(12-10-2012 01:49 PM)3601 Wrote:  We won't have a lot of opportunites to get good quality wins for our NCAA tournament resume. The other day I heard someone say that this game could be the difference between a 3/4 seed and an 8/9 seed.

At first blush that sounded like hyperbole. However, the more I thougth it about the more I think it might not be that much of a stretch. A single game SHOULDN'T make that much difference, but because of our situation and schedule I think it might actually could.

"might actually could".....spoken like a true tigahigh man

Win, show up in the AP top 25 next week, and win out to a #3. Lose, and the wheels wobble with deja vu spin to who knows where.

(12-10-2012 04:41 PM)QuitoTiger Wrote:  Win, show up in the AP top 25 next week, and win out to a #3. Lose, and the wheels wobble with deja vu spin to who knows where.

I prefer Groundhog Day

(12-10-2012 04:33 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 03:51 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 02:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  If Memphis loses to Louisville, this team will be viewed in the vein of a "mid major" for seeding purposes.

If they lose to Louisville and then win out, they will be 31-3. Likely be a 4/5 seed. (unless Xavier is one of the best in the A10). Then a solid 4.

If lose to Louisville and lose 1-2 more games (29-5), high 5, low 6 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 3-4 more games 27-7, 9/10 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 5+ bubble.

If they beat Louisville and run the table, they will be 32-2. Good for the best 3 seed or worst 2 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 1 or 2 more (30-4) 3/4 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 3-4 more (28-6) 6/7 seed

Beat UofL and lose 5+ more 10 seed and bubble beyond that.

LOL if we beat Louisville and win out (32-2) we will be a #1 seed, and possibly the top #1 seed at that. Our RPI at worse would be 2nd in the country.

I don't think so. Our RPI, SOS and seeding would likely be similar to Murray State's last season. Murray State was 4-1 against RPI top 50 teams last year. They were 28-2, their RPI was 21, and they got a 6 seed.

We could lose only 2 games and end up a 2 or 3 seed. It all depends on what other schools do.

Murray State doesn't have the same kind of name recognition that we do.

Just as an example, as an impartial observer, who would you give the higher seed to....A 28-3 Murray team or a 28-3 Memphis team?

Memphis has two games on ESPN this whole year. You think anyone will have seen Memphis play?

The "name" recognition won't mean a whole lot when the team hasn't won a tourney game since 2009 and the ONLY win on the schedule is vs. Louisville.

It's pretty bad when the Louisville game is not on ESPN and the announcer is Ole Miss' number one booster.

(12-10-2012 04:34 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 01:49 PM)3601 Wrote:  We won't have a lot of opportunites to get good quality wins for our NCAA tournament resume. The other day I heard someone say that this game could be the difference between a 3/4 seed and an 8/9 seed.

At first blush that sounded like hyperbole. However, the more I thougth it about the more I think it might not be that much of a stretch. A single game SHOULDN'T make that much difference, but because of our situation and schedule I think it might actually could.

"might actually could".....spoken like a true ******** man

I can't tell if that's an insult or a compliment. I have no idea what a ********man is.

So what do you think about the actual question at hand? Are we doomed to no better than an 8 seed if coach Josh gets taken to school by the crafty veteran on Saturday?

(12-10-2012 04:58 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:34 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 01:49 PM)3601 Wrote:  We won't have a lot of opportunites to get good quality wins for our NCAA tournament resume. The other day I heard someone say that this game could be the difference between a 3/4 seed and an 8/9 seed.

At first blush that sounded like hyperbole. However, the more I thougth it about the more I think it might not be that much of a stretch. A single game SHOULDN'T make that much difference, but because of our situation and schedule I think it might actually could.

"might actually could".....spoken like a true ******** man

I can't tell if that's an insult or a complement. I have no idea what a ********man is.

So what do you think about the actual question at hand? Are we doomed to no better than an 8 seed if coach Josh gets taken to school by the crafty veteran on Saturday?

lose saturday and we are looking at having to win conference title to get in as a 10 seed

got censored....it was a compliment

(12-10-2012 04:33 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 03:51 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 02:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  If Memphis loses to Louisville, this team will be viewed in the vein of a "mid major" for seeding purposes.

If they lose to Louisville and then win out, they will be 31-3. Likely be a 4/5 seed. (unless Xavier is one of the best in the A10). Then a solid 4.

If lose to Louisville and lose 1-2 more games (29-5), high 5, low 6 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 3-4 more games 27-7, 9/10 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 5+ bubble.

If they beat Louisville and run the table, they will be 32-2. Good for the best 3 seed or worst 2 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 1 or 2 more (30-4) 3/4 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 3-4 more (28-6) 6/7 seed

Beat UofL and lose 5+ more 10 seed and bubble beyond that.

LOL if we beat Louisville and win out (32-2) we will be a #1 seed, and possibly the top #1 seed at that. Our RPI at worse would be 2nd in the country.

I don't think so. Our RPI, SOS and seeding would likely be similar to Murray State's last season. Murray State was 4-1 against RPI top 50 teams last year. They were 28-2, their RPI was 21, and they got a 6 seed.

We could lose only 2 games and end up a 2 or 3 seed. It all depends on what other schools do.

Murray State doesn't have the same kind of name recognition that we do.

Just as an example, as an impartial observer, who would you give the higher seed to....A 28-3 Murray team or a 28-3 Memphis team?

If you believe in the name recognition thing then we MIGHT get a 4 or 5 seed while they got a 6 seed last season.

On the flip side, our name recognition didn't help us come seeding time has season.

(12-10-2012 05:00 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:58 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:34 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 01:49 PM)3601 Wrote:  We won't have a lot of opportunites to get good quality wins for our NCAA tournament resume. The other day I heard someone say that this game could be the difference between a 3/4 seed and an 8/9 seed.

At first blush that sounded like hyperbole. However, the more I thougth it about the more I think it might not be that much of a stretch. A single game SHOULDN'T make that much difference, but because of our situation and schedule I think it might actually could.

"might actually could".....spoken like a true ******** man

I can't tell if that's an insult or a complement. I have no idea what a ********man is.

So what do you think about the actual question at hand? Are we doomed to no better than an 8 seed if coach Josh gets taken to school by the crafty veteran on Saturday?

lose saturday and we are looking at having to win conference title to get in as a 10 seed

got censored....it was a compliment

We're due to beat a decent team, but I start to worry when I think about the potential coaching mismatch. I hate to say it, but Pitino has probably forgotten more about basketball than our guy knows. That's no offense to our young hotshot coach, but the head guy who'll be sitting on the opposing bench on Saturday has been around the block a time or two.

"Due" is the non-violent, understatement word for it. God, would I love to see "tough", "tenacious", "resolve" and "game plan" all day long, Saturday.

(12-10-2012 04:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 03:51 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 02:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  If Memphis loses to Louisville, this team will be viewed in the vein of a "mid major" for seeding purposes.

If they lose to Louisville and then win out, they will be 31-3. Likely be a 4/5 seed. (unless Xavier is one of the best in the A10). Then a solid 4.

If lose to Louisville and lose 1-2 more games (29-5), high 5, low 6 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 3-4 more games 27-7, 9/10 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 5+ bubble.

If they beat Louisville and run the table, they will be 32-2. Good for the best 3 seed or worst 2 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 1 or 2 more (30-4) 3/4 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 3-4 more (28-6) 6/7 seed

Beat UofL and lose 5+ more 10 seed and bubble beyond that.

LOL if we beat Louisville and win out (32-2) we will be a #1 seed, and possibly the top #1 seed at that. Our RPI at worse would be 2nd in the country.

I don't think so. Our RPI, SOS and seeding would likely be similar to Murray State's last season. Murray State was 4-1 against RPI top 50 teams last year. They were 28-2, their RPI was 21, and they got a 6 seed.

We could lose only 2 games and end up a 2 or 3 seed. It all depends on what other schools do.

One small difference. Murray State's SOS was 158th in the country last year. Our's was 20th. We had 9 losses and were 16th in the RPI last year whereas Murray State was 22nd in the RPI with just two losses. Our SOS this year will be around 30th - 50th like it usually is. I will say 2 losses and we will be at least in the top 5 of the RPI, and should be a one seed.

(12-10-2012 05:00 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:58 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:34 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 01:49 PM)3601 Wrote:  We won't have a lot of opportunites to get good quality wins for our NCAA tournament resume. The other day I heard someone say that this game could be the difference between a 3/4 seed and an 8/9 seed.

At first blush that sounded like hyperbole. However, the more I thougth it about the more I think it might not be that much of a stretch. A single game SHOULDN'T make that much difference, but because of our situation and schedule I think it might actually could.

"might actually could".....spoken like a true ******** man

I can't tell if that's an insult or a complement. I have no idea what a ********man is.

So what do you think about the actual question at hand? Are we doomed to no better than an 8 seed if coach Josh gets taken to school by the crafty veteran on Saturday?

lose saturday and we are looking at having to win conference title to get in as a 10 seed

got censored....it was a compliment

can't tell if serious.

(12-10-2012 05:01 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:33 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 03:51 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 02:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  If Memphis loses to Louisville, this team will be viewed in the vein of a "mid major" for seeding purposes.

If they lose to Louisville and then win out, they will be 31-3. Likely be a 4/5 seed. (unless Xavier is one of the best in the A10). Then a solid 4.

If lose to Louisville and lose 1-2 more games (29-5), high 5, low 6 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 3-4 more games 27-7, 9/10 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 5+ bubble.

If they beat Louisville and run the table, they will be 32-2. Good for the best 3 seed or worst 2 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 1 or 2 more (30-4) 3/4 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 3-4 more (28-6) 6/7 seed

Beat UofL and lose 5+ more 10 seed and bubble beyond that.

LOL if we beat Louisville and win out (32-2) we will be a #1 seed, and possibly the top #1 seed at that. Our RPI at worse would be 2nd in the country.

I don't think so. Our RPI, SOS and seeding would likely be similar to Murray State's last season. Murray State was 4-1 against RPI top 50 teams last year. They were 28-2, their RPI was 21, and they got a 6 seed.

We could lose only 2 games and end up a 2 or 3 seed. It all depends on what other schools do.

Murray State doesn't have the same kind of name recognition that we do.

Just as an example, as an impartial observer, who would you give the higher seed to....A 28-3 Murray team or a 28-3 Memphis team?

If you believe in the name recognition thing then we MIGHT get a 4 or 5 seed while they got a 6 seed last season.

On the flip side, our name recognition didn't help us come seeding time has season.

It's not about name recognition, it’s about SOS. Murray State's SOS was in the 150's while ours would be around 30 - 50 this year. Murray State's RPI with 2 losses would not be near as good as Memphis' with 2 losses. Hell, last year Memphis was 8 spots better in the RPI last year than Murray State and Memphis had 7 more losses. It's about SOS when comparing these two. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

(12-10-2012 05:55 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 05:01 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:33 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 03:51 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  LOL if we beat Louisville and win out (32-2) we will be a #1 seed, and possibly the top #1 seed at that. Our RPI at worse would be 2nd in the country.

I don't think so. Our RPI, SOS and seeding would likely be similar to Murray State's last season. Murray State was 4-1 against RPI top 50 teams last year. They were 28-2, their RPI was 21, and they got a 6 seed.

We could lose only 2 games and end up a 2 or 3 seed. It all depends on what other schools do.

Murray State doesn't have the same kind of name recognition that we do.

Just as an example, as an impartial observer, who would you give the higher seed to....A 28-3 Murray team or a 28-3 Memphis team?

If you believe in the name recognition thing then we MIGHT get a 4 or 5 seed while they got a 6 seed last season.

On the flip side, our name recognition didn't help us come seeding time has season.

It's not about name recognition, it’s about SOS. Murray State's SOS was in the 150's while ours would be around 30 - 50 this year. Murray State's RPI with 2 losses would not be near as good as Memphis' with 2 losses. Hell, last year Memphis was 8 spots better in the RPI last year than Murray State and Memphis had 7 more losses. It's about SOS when comparing these two. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

1. I think you might be overestimating what our SOS ends up being by the end of this season.

2. Do you really think a 2 loss Memphis team is going to be seeded higher than a 4 loss Duke, Indiana, Michigan, Syracuse, Arizona, Kansas, etc?

All you need to do is look at last year. The committee doesn't give 2 cents about your rpi anymore, unles of course it's in the 50s or 60s.

The UL game was always going to be A big part of any seeding hopes. Now, it is THE last remaining part. Lose to Louisville, and we cement that same perception that gave us an 8-seed last year in a weak field. C-USA may be weak(er) this year, but I don't see us running the table. I think that was an anomaly that will never happen again, and that's what it would take, minus a win Saturday, to get a 4-seed or above. Anything below that is just a varying degree of "let's hope we get lucky."

(12-10-2012 06:16 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 05:55 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 05:01 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:33 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 04:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  I don't think so. Our RPI, SOS and seeding would likely be similar to Murray State's last season. Murray State was 4-1 against RPI top 50 teams last year. They were 28-2, their RPI was 21, and they got a 6 seed.

We could lose only 2 games and end up a 2 or 3 seed. It all depends on what other schools do.

Murray State doesn't have the same kind of name recognition that we do.

Just as an example, as an impartial observer, who would you give the higher seed to....A 28-3 Murray team or a 28-3 Memphis team?

If you believe in the name recognition thing then we MIGHT get a 4 or 5 seed while they got a 6 seed last season.

On the flip side, our name recognition didn't help us come seeding time has season.

It's not about name recognition, it’s about SOS. Murray State's SOS was in the 150's while ours would be around 30 - 50 this year. Murray State's RPI with 2 losses would not be near as good as Memphis' with 2 losses. Hell, last year Memphis was 8 spots better in the RPI last year than Murray State and Memphis had 7 more losses. It's about SOS when comparing these two. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

1. I think you might be overestimating what our SOS ends up being by the end of this season.

2. Do you really think a 2 loss Memphis team is going to be seeded higher than a 4 loss Duke, Indiana, Michigan, Syracuse, Arizona, Kansas, etc?

You may be right, but I would be surprised if we had anything worse than a 1 seed unless the stars aligned and you had 4 teams that just had ridiculously good records with hard SOS's. Still odds are if we had 2 losses we would be a 1 seed.