(12-07-2012 09:35 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 09:26 PM)asumike83 Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 08:58 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  The insanity will never end...

As a fan of a school who has spent the last year and a half in limbo, I share your sentiment. The uncertainty is absolutely killing me. If we are going to get an invite and make a move, I just want to get it over with so we can move forward with recruiting and some facility upgrades.

If not, I'd be very disappointed but it is better than not knowing when this roller coaster is finally going to stop.

I don't think it's going to end anytime soon. The greedy are getting greedier. It's no longer about football, rather, the almighty dollar. Less and less consideration for the athletes vs the fans and TV deals.
I honestly wouldn't begrudge a football player getting a degreee in interior decorating, macrame and basketweaving with the schedules they are seemingly going to be forced to keep. That or APRs suffering because the guys can't graduate in 5 yrs due to having to cut down on classes for travel time.

And why exactly did TxSt abandon the Southland? I cannot say for sure, but I bet greed probably had a little to do with it.

Here in Louisiana there is a very affluent group of parishes, i.e.,counties, North of Lake Pontchartrain and New Orleans. The folks that abandoned the Orleans, Jefferson parishes to the South are constantly wanting to limit access to the North Shore passing failed restriction after failed restriction to keep the virgin land virgin. Their cry is they did not move here to be crowded in, kind of like the pot calling the kettle black if you get the drift.

Often wonder what the native North Shore people think? Let um come, my farmland or forrest has never been so valuable. TxSt would jump with both feet into CUSA, or MWC and 95% of the fans and players would be cheering, so why do you think you speak for most of any of that group with such lofty ideals?

(12-08-2012 08:35 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 09:35 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 09:26 PM)asumike83 Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 08:58 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  The insanity will never end...

As a fan of a school who has spent the last year and a half in limbo, I share your sentiment. The uncertainty is absolutely killing me. If we are going to get an invite and make a move, I just want to get it over with so we can move forward with recruiting and some facility upgrades.

If not, I'd be very disappointed but it is better than not knowing when this roller coaster is finally going to stop.

I don't think it's going to end anytime soon. The greedy are getting greedier. It's no longer about football, rather, the almighty dollar. Less and less consideration for the athletes vs the fans and TV deals.
I honestly wouldn't begrudge a football player getting a degreee in interior decorating, macrame and basketweaving with the schedules they are seemingly going to be forced to keep. That or APRs suffering because the guys can't graduate in 5 yrs due to having to cut down on classes for travel time.

And why exactly did TxSt abandon the Southland? I cannot say for sure, but I bet greed probably had a little to do with it.

Here in Louisiana there is a very affluent group of parishes, i.e.,counties, North of Lake Pontchartrain and New Orleans. The folks that abandoned the Orleans, Jefferson parishes to the South are constantly wanting to limit access to the North Shore passing failed restriction after failed restriction to keep the virgin land virgin. Their cry is they did not move here to be crowded in, kind of like the pot calling the kettle black if you get the drift.

Often wonder what the native North Shore people think? Let um come, my farmland or forrest has never been so valuable. TxSt would jump with both feet into CUSA, or MWC and 95% of the fans and players would be cheering, so why do you think you speak for most of any of that group with such lofty ideals?

The move to FBS was initiated by students forcing the hand of the admins. Not sure if that falls under greedy or not. They voted to increase their own athletic fees to make it happen. Could be greedy but I think not.
Our Pres is an academian and the AD is an idiot so that doesn't come under greed. We're 28 miles from UT and they get all the $$, fans (even ours) and press. More greed? No, cause it hasn't made a bit of a difference to those who worship the groud Mack Brown walks on and BEVO ***** on.
Exposure? Time to move on/up? Yeah, I'll go with that.

I'm just putting stuff out here to think about and discuss.
You can choose to think the BCS and alignments are about money or not, your choice. I'm not going to argue the point. I've stated my personal opinions, nothing more.

(12-08-2012 08:35 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 09:35 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 09:26 PM)asumike83 Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 08:58 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  The insanity will never end...

As a fan of a school who has spent the last year and a half in limbo, I share your sentiment. The uncertainty is absolutely killing me. If we are going to get an invite and make a move, I just want to get it over with so we can move forward with recruiting and some facility upgrades.

If not, I'd be very disappointed but it is better than not knowing when this roller coaster is finally going to stop.

I don't think it's going to end anytime soon. The greedy are getting greedier. It's no longer about football, rather, the almighty dollar. Less and less consideration for the athletes vs the fans and TV deals.
I honestly wouldn't begrudge a football player getting a degreee in interior decorating, macrame and basketweaving with the schedules they are seemingly going to be forced to keep. That or APRs suffering because the guys can't graduate in 5 yrs due to having to cut down on classes for travel time.

And why exactly did TxSt abandon the Southland? I cannot say for sure, but I bet greed probably had a little to do with it.

Here in Louisiana there is a very affluent group of parishes, i.e.,counties, North of Lake Pontchartrain and New Orleans. The folks that abandoned the Orleans, Jefferson parishes to the South are constantly wanting to limit access to the North Shore passing failed restriction after failed restriction to keep the virgin land virgin. Their cry is they did not move here to be crowded in, kind of like the pot calling the kettle black if you get the drift.

Often wonder what the native North Shore people think? Let um come, my farmland or forrest has never been so valuable. TxSt would jump with both feet into CUSA, or MWC and 95% of the fans and players would be cheering, so why do you think you speak for most of any of that group with such lofty ideals?

When my school decided to step up to the highest level of D1 FB, I was jazzed about the decision. Wasn't necessarily all that crazy bout the WAC, which as we all know soon imploded. SBC saved us from being Idaho or NMSU . . again, happy for that. Now; looking at the D1 FB landscape in TX, we're looking at 12 or 13 other schools (in the State), all with more money, greater name recognition, more TV exposure, and all in Bigger Conferences. . all competing (more or less) for the same group of 4 star recruits year in and year out. Recruits that for the most part wanna play in the Big XII, SEC, CUSA, and all the other preceived BIG Conferences. If you're going to build/grow a program .. how else than with top recruits . . soooo if you're in our shoes, How do you get those guys to come to State College in San Marcos rather than UT, TX Tech, Baylor, A&M, TCU, SMU, UTEP, RICE, and all the other Bigger programs that reside right here in TX? In the short term, I'm glad we're where we are, but in the long run; Yes, I believe that at some point, we have to get to a bigger conference . . or run the risk of being a FB Program that IS NOT RELEVANT . . . and that is what many of us ultimately fear . . . (No knock on the SBC) . . . just seems to be the nature of the game today .. .

Bobcat87, whether or not you meant that to be insulting...it was.

IMHO

Conference USA had used the market strategy to select Universities but that thinking will only provide limited selections now.

The SBC has need to add New Mexico State now along with either App State or Georgia Southern immediately.

Cat Mom, and other TxSt fans,

My greed comments were not directed at your school in particular, nor do I think you made the wrong move, or greedy. I guess I just get upset when people start laying bad motives on other schools. I mean I get it, Maryland to the Big X for more money it seems. But Maryland has to compete for athletes, and that takes more money, and the ACC was weakening compared to the four other power conferences. Is that greed? Not in my opinion, that is the nature of competition in anything.

Do I like the fracture of college conferences? No, but virtually every single school wants to be in a neighborhood that says we are big time, or bigger time, or even the biggest time. For me, and most of the people I know, it is about improving your schools image, maybe the ad sees that as needing more money, and you get that by moving to where the money is.

Mom my shot at your statement was very limited, because you decided to put a negative motive on others that may or may not be true. I do know that I look forward to the Cajuns competing with your Bobcats in the Sun Belt.

(12-09-2012 01:51 AM)Cat79 Wrote:  IMHO

Conference USA had used the market strategy to select Universities but that thinking will only provide limited selections now.

The SBC has need to add New Mexico State now along with either App State or Georgia Southern immediately.

Benson has been very coy in regards to NMSU. His comments are that the loses occurred on the eastern footprint, indicating he wants to add to the East, but realizes that the western schools do not want any new schools moving up to 1A FROM 1AA.

To placate the West I think he will ask the Aggies of New Mexico State into the conference, and add Georgia Southern. That gets us back to ten schools. IF things calm down maybe SHSU and App State a couple of years later.

I do not think it is good to try to digest two, three, or four 1AA schools in too short a time period, especially if they bring little opportunity for revenue growth.

Best case would be if UTA got football, and then add App State down the road after NMSU, and Georgia Southern.

Of course that assumes what is not likely to happen, the big five conferences stabilizing. Early in 2011 it looked the Big XII was on the verge of splintering, but now it appears the ACC is in danger of becoming a glorified Big East if the Big X, SEC, or Big XII raids them again. IF the ACC is raided again we all know what that means.

(12-07-2012 09:35 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 09:26 PM)asumike83 Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 08:58 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  The insanity will never end...

As a fan of a school who has spent the last year and a half in limbo, I share your sentiment. The uncertainty is absolutely killing me. If we are going to get an invite and make a move, I just want to get it over with so we can move forward with recruiting and some facility upgrades.

If not, I'd be very disappointed but it is better than not knowing when this roller coaster is finally going to stop.

I don't think it's going to end anytime soon. The greedy are getting greedier. It's no longer about football, rather, the almighty dollar. Less and less consideration for the athletes vs the fans and TV deals.
I honestly wouldn't begrudge a football player getting a degreee in interior decorating, macrame and basketweaving with the schedules they are seemingly going to be forced to keep. That or APRs suffering because the guys can't graduate in 5 yrs due to having to cut down on classes for travel time.

I agree CatMom. What I'm afraid you will see in the future, and I've read recent articles on this so don't laugh, is the possible unionization of college athletics, mainly football. Recent chatter about "paying college football players", or giving them some laundry money each month, would be the next step. And you know how fast that will get out of hand! The big dogs will want to pay their athletes more than the others(nonBCS). So to compensate the athletes for the "coast to coast" travel time, and less study time, they'll just throw money at the players.

College football is completely out of control. IMHO, for the worse.

(12-09-2012 12:39 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Bobcat87, whether or not you meant that to be insulting...it was.

Maybe to you...

Makes perfect sense to me. Reality is knocking Greg. Please answer the door.

You are both very right. What you are seeing with the conference realignment is the precursor to the four or five major conferences breaking off from the NCAA and operating as a separate entity for a number of reason, foremost money. It has become clear that those major conferences see the "lesser" Division 1A conferences as being very different and having no value in the grand scheme. This process, if undertaken, would have to be completed through a number of steps. First they need to align those "major" conferences properly and that would include making sure the desired schools were included. You are seeing that now. Then the conferences and their member institutions can make the argument that they are unique in both athletics and academics. Using "academics" as an excuse helps support the impression they all want to portray........that it is not all about athletics and money. They can also rely on the old standby of that this is being done " for the student athlete" and that includes paying them for their participation.

Any move of this sort will trigger a number of lawsuits the most complex and difficult being one based in antitrust as these conferences and schools are creating a cartel. Individual schools and conferences which are not chosen to be part of this new entity can sue based on their spending millions of dollars on athletic facilities they were told were needed to compete at the highest level. Another problem that everyone will run into are Title IX issues which are federally mandated. Overlay over top of all of this is the push for collective bargaining for college athletes. With so much money being tossed around through media rights the players would by law have some pretty substantial ground on which to move forward. It must also be noted that with the current administration's fondness for unions there certainly would be some level of assistance from the federal goverment in unionization. Do not confuse this with a typical student doing an internship while in school or not being paid for work that is course related. This is entirely different. And the argument that the athlete is receiving a scholarship in return for his playing a sport will not hold water either. The value of his/her participation in return for a scholarship which could be $15,000 a year does not come close to making sense when the athletic department makes many millions of dollars each year off of the sports they play. If all of this happens intercollegiate athletics will look very different in the coming years. It is pretty clear that we are seeing the beginning of all the upcoming changes. Want to direct some blame? Perhaps we need to point the finger at ESPN and Fox and to a lesser degree CBS and NBC. Don't think for a moment that the "major" five do not add a school to their conference without first consulting their masters in Bristol or in New York. One of the reasons the Big East imploded is they had the audacity to stand up to ESPN in rights negotiations. After the Big East was free to negotiate with other networks you began to see the movement. By the way, any and all of the lawsuits filed will probably include those two networks as defendants.......and rightly so. Whether these "major" conferences are able to pull this off is a question that will not be answered for a long time. It will be both interesting and painful in some ways to watch if this is the path they decide to go down.

(12-07-2012 08:20 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  South Alabama
Troy
Western Kentucky
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana Monroe
Georgia State
Texas State

rumored to add two of:

Georgia Southern
Appalachain State
Jacksonville State
James Madison

League sure looks different than a year ago.

I live the way ualr and uta are not even in the league now. ....

(12-09-2012 12:39 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Bobcat87, whether or not you meant that to be insulting...it was.

+1

Good God, I feel like a fat girl that her boy friend thinks can do better.

Psst, your fat too, lose some weight and then you can move on but right now your school has done nothing but get an invite into full d1 ball.

(12-09-2012 12:39 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Bobcat87, whether or not you meant that to be insulting...it was.

Was not meant to insult anyone . . Insult/Disrespect never intended. . .simply looking at this from a TX ST/Texas perspective . . .IF I'm wrong in my assessment as to recruiting 4 star prospects against The Big XII, SEC, Big East, Cusa: Texas, Baylor, TX Tech, TCU, A&M, UNT,Rice, UTEP, Houston, SMU, utsa . . then by all means point it out to me .. ALL of the aforementioned school are in Bigger conferences than us, the majority have greater name recognition, all but maybe 1 or 2 have bigger budgets, greater TV exposure, conferences with more Bowl tie-ins . . so my question remains. . against all that, how do we get 4 star recruits in TX to forgo that and come to play in San Marcos, in the Belt . . when most of those guys want to play in the Big Conferences, and be on TV all the time? and IF we can't land the best recruits, How do we grow our program? This is a reality for us, not a slap at anyone else . . 2 Final points, this is also why there's so much animosity towards NutsaCK from San Marcos.. . There's is a program that until 2 years ago did not exist, they've no real facilities of their own, they practice at a high school, play in a rented dome, haven't put in the time on the field, have no history, paid no "dues" . . yet are now in a bigger conference than us, will draw more money from that conference, have more bowl tie-ins, and will propably soon start to out recruit us because of these facts . . that angers a lot of us in San Marcos.. it's why so many Bobcats are presently angry with out own AD, Rightly or wrongly, we feel we've been passed up by an upstart in our own back yard . .Finally, there's UNT... How'd they do in their final 7 years in the Belt recruiting against the likes of what I've previously mentioned? It's just MY opinion, but if we're going to compete in TX against the other D1 schools in TX than we've got to have more to offer the state's top recruits than a "beautiful campus with a river that runs through it."

(12-09-2012 10:28 AM)insideualr Wrote:  

(12-09-2012 12:39 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Bobcat87, whether or not you meant that to be insulting...it was.

+1

Good God, I feel like a fat girl that her boy friend thinks can do better.

Psst, your fat too, lose some weight and then you can move on but right now your school has done nothing but get an invite into full d1 ball.

It is honestly strange to me that someone can actually become insulted by what someone else said about sports.

It is ******* sports. Get over yourselves. 152,000 people die every day.

(12-09-2012 10:28 AM)insideualr Wrote:  

(12-09-2012 12:39 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Bobcat87, whether or not you meant that to be insulting...it was.

+1

Good God, I feel like a fat girl that her boy friend thinks can do better.

Psst, your fat too, lose some weight and then you can move on but right now your school has done nothing but get an invite into full d1 ball.

In case you missed it UALR and it's fans in particular have declared football is not a sport they can compete in, period, end of conversation, ever compete in, as in NEVER, CANNOT HAPPEN.

That being the case you guys claim is your future then you will not be taken seriously as long as football drives the Sun Belt on this board. At least that is the way I see things.

(12-09-2012 10:28 AM)insideualr Wrote:  

(12-09-2012 12:39 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Bobcat87, whether or not you meant that to be insulting...it was.

+1

Good God, I feel like a fat girl that her boy friend thinks can do better.

Psst, your fat too, lose some weight and then you can move on but right now your school has done nothing but get an invite into full d1 ball.

Try (let me spell it for you) R-E-A-D-I-N-G critically .. . I never said we've accomplished anything, never suggested we're not happy with our D1 status, never said we're unhappy in the Belt, just expressed the opinion that if we're going to compete effectively in TX against the other D1 programs in TX than at some point (MY opinion) We're going to have to play at a higher lever (insert Bigger conference) . .in order to attract the state's best recruits . . just MY opinion, everyone please stop being all butt hurt . . . .

I guess it is a bad thing to want the best for your school. Odd logic.

(12-09-2012 06:21 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(12-09-2012 01:51 AM)Cat79 Wrote:  IMHO

Conference USA had used the market strategy to select Universities but that thinking will only provide limited selections now.

The SBC has need to add New Mexico State now along with either App State or Georgia Southern immediately.

Benson has been very coy in regards to NMSU. His comments are that the loses occurred on the eastern footprint, indicating he wants to add to the East, but realizes that the western schools do not want any new schools moving up to 1A FROM 1AA.

To placate the West I think he will ask the Aggies of New Mexico State into the conference, and add Georgia Southern. That gets us back to ten schools. IF things calm down maybe SHSU and App State a couple of years later.

I do not think it is good to try to digest two, three, or four 1AA schools in too short a time period, especially if they bring little opportunity for revenue growth.

Best case would be if UTA got football, and then add App State down the road after NMSU, and Georgia Southern.

Of course that assumes what is not likely to happen, the big five conferences stabilizing. Early in 2011 it looked the Big XII was on the verge of splintering, but now it appears the ACC is in danger of becoming a glorified Big East if the Big X, SEC, or Big XII raids them again. IF the ACC is raided again we all know what that means.

Never met ya, CajunExpress - but I KNEW there was something I liked about you.

Is there any chance UTA adds football?

CUSA may look at JMU and Delaware instead of any other SBC schools. As long as the MWC does not take away UTSA and UNT, there is no need to add any other Texas schools.