This should shed some light on the entire process and specifically why WKU was chosen over other teams...

http://wkuherald.com/sports/article_1989...f6878.html

very good read.

(12-04-2012 05:02 PM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  This should shed some light on the entire process and specifically why WKU was chosen over other teams...

http://wkuherald.com/sports/article_1989...f6878.html

Good story. I am happy for WKU.

Brian

excellent read, thanks for posting.

Hard to disagree with the why and the how WKU got the bowl bid. Can't say they didn't deserve it.

The bigger story is the failure of the SBC to get it's bowl eligible teams into slots - made worse by the fact that MT was 8-4 and the fact that the MAC got 7 teams in including a 6-6 CMU.

Oh well, not our problem much longer.

Being the new guys on the block I'm glad our AD was proactive about the bowl process. I've been hearing really good things about our new AD and so far very proud to have him

(12-04-2012 05:02 PM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  This should shed some light on the entire process and specifically why WKU was chosen over other teams...

http://wkuherald.com/sports/article_1989...f6878.html

That confirms what Benson told us when interviewed on the radio last week, that it was the Little Caesars Bowl's decision and WKU had established a relationship with them before receiving the invitation. Benson was asked point blank if he lobbied harder for WKU since MT was leaving and he said absolutely not. He tried to get five teams in bowls, and also tried to get them as close as possible to campus. He hoped ASU could get into the Liberty because ASU was conference champion and it was the bowl with most tradition; us in the New Orleans bowl due to the record attendance last year; ULM in Shreveport since they hadn't been bowling in recent years; MT and WKU rounding out the SBC teams in the GoDaddy Bowl and Little Caesars Bowl. He couldn't get an SBC team in the Liberty, so four rather than five teams went bowling. ASU got the GoDaddy Bowl and Little Caesars chose WKU.

Karl Benson appears to me have really worked his tail off for the schools he represents.

(12-04-2012 07:01 PM)CaliforniaCajun Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 05:02 PM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  This should shed some light on the entire process and specifically why WKU was chosen over other teams...

http://wkuherald.com/sports/article_1989...f6878.html

That confirms what Benson told us when interviewed on the radio last week, that it was the Little Caesars Bowl's decision and WKU had established a relationship with them before receiving the invitation. Benson was asked point blank if he lobbied harder for WKU since MT was leaving and he said absolutely not. He tried to get five teams in bowls, and also tried to get them as close as possible to campus. He hoped ASU could get into the Liberty because ASU was conference champion and it was the bowl with most tradition; us in the New Orleans bowl due to the record attendance last year; ULM in Shreveport since they hadn't been bowling in recent years; MT and WKU rounding out the SBC teams in the GoDaddy Bowl and Little Caesars Bowl. He couldn't get an SBC team in the Liberty, so four rather than five teams went bowling. ASU got the GoDaddy Bowl and Little Caesars chose WKU.

Karl Benson appears to me have really worked his tail off for the schools he represents.

Difference was he was supposed to do all deal making and lobbying, per Sun Belt protocol this season. Obviously that didn't apply to Western. Congrats to everyone on their bowl bids.

Massaro was supposed to be a miracle worker when it comes to getting bowl. He paid the price when he turned down the Military Bowl bid that eventually went to a MAC team. We would've had all 5 teams in...

He, like La Neck, thought more highly of his program than the Bowl committees did and got caught holding his cards...

(12-04-2012 07:06 PM)MTowho Wrote:  .

Difference was he was supposed to do all deal making and lobbying, per Sun Belt protocol this season. Obviously that didn't apply to Western. Congrats to everyone on their bowl bids.

WRONG. Benson said schools could lobby and make pitches themselves, but the final decisions would come from him.

(12-04-2012 07:15 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  Massaro was supposed to be a miracle worker when it comes to getting bowl. He paid the price when he turned down the Military Bowl bid that eventually went to a MAC team. We would've had all 5 teams in...

He, like La Neck, thought more highly of his program than the Bowl committees did and got caught holding his cards...

Massaro did not turn the Military Bowl down, it was never offered to Middle Tennessee. Here is an excerpt from the local paper on the matter.

Benson negotiated a possible bid for MTSU to the Military Bowl in Washington, D.C., but Bowling Green and San Jose State were instead chosen for the two at-large spots.

“Karl gave us a good offer that included (MTSU),” said Military Bowl executive director Steve Beck via text message Monday night. “Our executive committee voted for the (Mid-American Conference) offer (for Bowling Green) and not the Sun Belt’s offer. I had no idea what he had going on with other bowls.”

(12-04-2012 06:00 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  Hard to disagree with the why and the how WKU got the bowl bid. Can't say they didn't deserve it.

The bigger story is the failure of the SBC to get it's bowl eligible teams into slots - made worse by the fact that MT was 8-4 and the fact that the MAC got 7 teams in including a 6-6 CMU.

Oh well, not our problem much longer.

No your problem comes when the next bowl cycle starts and NCAA rules limit CUSA to 4 primary bowl contracts when the league has 14 members.

(12-05-2012 12:51 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  No your problem comes when the next bowl cycle starts and NCAA rules limit CUSA to 4 primary bowl contracts when the league has 14 members.

Does C-USA have more secondary tie-ins or will some of them be gone as well?

I have 2 ? that nobody answers
what happen to secondary tie-in with St Pete
I tought bowls games could not take 6 win schools over 7 wins or more schools
from conf that bowl game has a tie-in with

The rule governing Bowls taking 6-6 teams over 7-5+ teams does not go into effect until next year when the play-off system starts. However it is my understanding that conference bowl tie-ins still get preference and that the rule only applies to at large bids. I may be wrong on that. Don't have time to check up on it right now. Anyone else verify?


-Rojogrande

(12-04-2012 07:15 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  Massaro was supposed to be a miracle worker when it comes to getting bowl. He paid the price when he turned down the Military Bowl bid that eventually went to a MAC team. We would've had all 5 teams in...

This is a garbage comment. So far there isn't a single piece of evidence to substantiate this. Stop believing everything you hear from people on the internet who have an agenda.

Further, even if an invite was offfered (which it wasn't), why would any school accept a bowl invite before they play a conference championship game? Think about it. That's absolutely ludicrous. It's paramount to telling NIU or Kent St to accept a bowl invite to GoDaddy before they play their title game and know whether they have a chance to go to a BCS bowl. Likewise, for MT there were only two potential bowl options for us that would not have put us in a financial hole since the league decided to go ahead and let the New Orleans Bowl select before the season played out. One was the Liberty. The other was the bowl in Birmingham. Those are the only two bowls where we could have sold more than 7500 tickets to keep us from losing money. There isn't an AD in America that would do that. Not yours. Not Ark State's. No one. Do you really think Ark St would have accepted an invite to the Military Bowl with the Liberty right there for the taking? There are a comedy of errors...a series of mistakes by Benson that screwed Ark State out of that bowl and screwed MT out of a bowl all together.

As a final point to put this to bed. Benson is the one who negotiated with the Military Bowl and he got-out witted by the MAC Commissioner. It is - unfortunatley for all you drama queens and conspiracy theorists - that simple.

We didn't get a bowl game. The sun came up. Life goes on and MT alums/fans are ready to move on, so stop with the lies and stoking the flames folks.

(12-05-2012 03:09 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I have 2 ? that nobody answers
what happen to secondary tie-in with St Pete

The MAC got that too.

MAC Commissioner = WINNING

(12-05-2012 12:51 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 06:00 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  Hard to disagree with the why and the how WKU got the bowl bid. Can't say they didn't deserve it.

The bigger story is the failure of the SBC to get it's bowl eligible teams into slots - made worse by the fact that MT was 8-4 and the fact that the MAC got 7 teams in including a 6-6 CMU.

Oh well, not our problem much longer.

No your problem comes when the next bowl cycle starts and NCAA rules limit CUSA to 4 primary bowl contracts when the league has 14 members.

Explain this please. I know they are losing the Liberty, but what prevents them from picking up a contract with another?

IIRC, the only stipulations for a confernce is to have x number of teams bowl eligible over a three year period.

(12-05-2012 08:44 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 07:15 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  Massaro was supposed to be a miracle worker when it comes to getting bowl. He paid the price when he turned down the Military Bowl bid that eventually went to a MAC team. We would've had all 5 teams in...

This is a garbage comment. So far there isn't a single piece of evidence to substantiate this. Stop believing everything you hear from people on the internet who have an agenda.

Further, even if an invite was offfered (which it wasn't), why would any school accept a bowl invite before they play a conference championship game? Think about it. That's absolutely ludicrous. It's paramount to telling NIU or Kent St to accept a bowl invite to GoDaddy before they play their title game and know whether they have a chance to go to a BCS bowl. Likewise, for MT there were only two potential bowl options for us that would not have put us in a financial hole since the league decided to go ahead and let the New Orleans Bowl select before the season played out. One was the Liberty. The other was the bowl in Birmingham. Those are the only two bowls where we could have sold more than 7500 tickets to keep us from losing money. There isn't an AD in America that would do that. Not yours. Not Ark State's. No one. Do you really think Ark St would have accepted an invite to the Military Bowl with the Liberty right there for the taking? There are a comedy of errors...a series of mistakes by Benson that screwed Ark State out of that bowl and screwed MT out of a bowl all together.

As a final point to put this to bed. Benson is the one who negotiated with the Military Bowl and he got-out witted by the MAC Commissioner. It is - unfortunatley for all you drama queens and conspiracy theorists - that simple.

We didn't get a bowl game. The sun came up. Life goes on and MT alums/fans are ready to move on, so stop with the lies and stoking the flames folks.

It's no more of a garbage comment then MT fans saying that "Benson screwed us intentionally." Lots of meritless comments being thrown around with regards to this situation.

Point is, MT lost the LC Bowl because WKU campaigned for it early and had a relationship with the committee. Our folks knew that our chances for other bowls would be limited and put all their money on the LC Bowl....a tactic that paid off.

I completely agree that MT deserved to go to a bowl over WKU, but it was a brilliant political play by WKU that got them the bowl. Hate it for MT, but hopefully the lesson learned is simply that records and success on the field are only part of the equation as to who gets a bowl.

(12-05-2012 10:39 AM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 08:44 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 07:15 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  Massaro was supposed to be a miracle worker when it comes to getting bowl. He paid the price when he turned down the Military Bowl bid that eventually went to a MAC team. We would've had all 5 teams in...

This is a garbage comment. So far there isn't a single piece of evidence to substantiate this. Stop believing everything you hear from people on the internet who have an agenda.

Further, even if an invite was offfered (which it wasn't), why would any school accept a bowl invite before they play a conference championship game? Think about it. That's absolutely ludicrous. It's paramount to telling NIU or Kent St to accept a bowl invite to GoDaddy before they play their title game and know whether they have a chance to go to a BCS bowl. Likewise, for MT there were only two potential bowl options for us that would not have put us in a financial hole since the league decided to go ahead and let the New Orleans Bowl select before the season played out. One was the Liberty. The other was the bowl in Birmingham. Those are the only two bowls where we could have sold more than 7500 tickets to keep us from losing money. There isn't an AD in America that would do that. Not yours. Not Ark State's. No one. Do you really think Ark St would have accepted an invite to the Military Bowl with the Liberty right there for the taking? There are a comedy of errors...a series of mistakes by Benson that screwed Ark State out of that bowl and screwed MT out of a bowl all together.

As a final point to put this to bed. Benson is the one who negotiated with the Military Bowl and he got-out witted by the MAC Commissioner. It is - unfortunatley for all you drama queens and conspiracy theorists - that simple.

We didn't get a bowl game. The sun came up. Life goes on and MT alums/fans are ready to move on, so stop with the lies and stoking the flames folks.

It's no more of a garbage comment then MT fans saying that "Benson screwed us intentionally." Lots of meritless comments being thrown around with regards to this situation.

Point is, MT lost the LC Bowl because WKU campaigned for it early and had a relationship with the committee. Our folks knew that our chances for other bowls would be limited and put all their money on the LC Bowl....a tactic that paid off.

I completely agree that MT deserved to go to a bowl over WKU, but it was a brilliant political play by WKU that got them the bowl. Hate it for MT, but hopefully the lesson learned is simply that records and success on the field are only part of the equation as to who gets a bowl.

Your beating a dead horse and keeping alive one that should be euthanized.

As for this comment...
"hopefully the lesson learned is simply that records and success on the field are only part of the equation as to who gets a bowl."

You get the Montezuma's Gold award for that.