(12-04-2012 06:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats not going to happen. It wont be that complicated. ACC gets raided for 2 more schools. The ACC replaces those two with UConn and Cinci from the Big East. The basketball schools decide they dont really want games against SMU, Houston, Tulane, etc..and just disolve the football league. Then they withdraw the invitations from the new invitees and pay the liqudated damages. That leaves the basketball schools with the Big East conference and the name, but without the schools that are "beneath" them. At that point, the super Mountain West with Boise, SDSU, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, UTEP, and BYU becomes very possible. ECU back to CUSA. Temple back to the MAC. USF and UCF to the ACC after the next ACC raid (possibly Temple and ECU too). No damage to CUSA.

In that scenario, UCF, USF, Temple, ECU, Tulane, Houston, SMU would just pull in a few C-USA teams that didn't like regional expansion and start a new league. Maybe Houston/SMU go MWC instead, but they've really shown that inclination (esp Houston).
Also, if the ACC is really looking for a lot of teams, all of the teams above +Rice will be in play because of some combination of wins/geography/money/AAU academics.

(12-04-2012 06:28 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 06:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats not going to happen. It wont be that complicated. ACC gets raided for 2 more schools. The ACC replaces those two with UConn and Cinci from the Big East. The basketball schools decide they dont really want games against SMU, Houston, Tulane, etc..and just disolve the football league. Then they withdraw the invitations from the new invitees and pay the liqudated damages. That leaves the basketball schools with the Big East conference and the name, but without the schools that are "beneath" them. At that point, the super Mountain West with Boise, SDSU, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, UTEP, and BYU becomes very possible. ECU back to CUSA. Temple back to the MAC. USF and UCF to the ACC after the next ACC raid (possibly Temple and ECU too). No damage to CUSA.

In that scenario, UCF, USF, Temple, ECU, Tulane, Houston, SMU would just pull in a few C-USA teams that didn't like regional expansion and start a new league. Maybe Houston/SMU go MWC instead, but they've really shown that inclination (esp Houston).
Also, if the ACC is really looking for a lot of teams, all of the teams above +Rice will be in play because of some combination of wins/geography/money/AAU academics.

Yes I agree. I was kind of looking at it from an ACC loses 2-4 senario. But yes, the more teams they lose, the more teams would likley be absorbed by the ACC. And yes, historically, Houston tends to gravitate east. However, in this case, Im not sure if a new conference would work because of the NCAA freeze on auto-bids and because its not clear a new conference would be included in the "gang of five" BCS non-AQ slot.

(12-04-2012 12:12 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I'd hate to lose both Tulsa and UTEP but if we did so be it. Also can't say that I would blame them. They would be in a more regional conference. With the recent additions of CUSA I as a Marshall fan am pumped about the new regional teams we have to play. So at the same time, I can't fault another institution for doing the same thing that made me happy.

Now if we were to lose them, I would hope we will add Ark St and WKU.

Rumor up in Arkansas is that stAte and Louisiana are off to the MWC with UTEP & Tulsa to form a part of the Eastern Division.

(12-04-2012 07:26 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Rumor up in Arkansas is that stAte and Louisiana are off to the MWC with UTEP & Tulsa to form a part of the Eastern Division.

That would be pretty damn cool for the Cajuns.

(12-04-2012 06:28 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  In that scenario, UCF, USF, Temple, ECU, Tulane, Houston, SMU would just pull in a few C-USA teams that didn't like regional expansion and start a new league. Maybe Houston/SMU go MWC instead, but they've really shown that inclination (esp Houston).
Also, if the ACC is really looking for a lot of teams, all of the teams above +Rice will be in play because of some combination of wins/geography/money/AAU academics.

Would love Rice in the ACC in any configuration. Would be mutually beneficial, especially with A&M in SEC, would give ACC remainders a shot at Texas recruits and maybe a bit of marketshare in Houston and surrounding areas.

Rice got screwed more than they deserved by all of the goings on the last 20 years since the SWC breakup. Everyone knows theyare one of the few schols who really try to do it right, but just because they weren't grandfathered in like Vandy and Duke and NW, they get screwed. If ACC would throw them a bone, the current Pres. and Board would make it work this time.

Either that, or Rice has to pull a Boise and just go undefeated or 1 loss against a very watered down schedule for 3 or 4 years with bowl wins as well. I mean, Tulane to the Big Least was kind of ridiculous, but whatever. ECU has been wanting out for years so good luck, we'll see how that turns out finally. Houston has been a nomad, so no loyalty there, but hope they'll still value cross-town games with Rice frequently- helps both schools bottom lines.

Southern Miss also gets screwed more than they deserve in all this, esp. with their past records of success and facilities upgrades.

(12-04-2012 07:32 PM)DrBox Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 07:26 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  Rumor up in Arkansas is that stAte and Louisiana are off to the MWC with UTEP & Tulsa to form a part of the Eastern Division.

That would be pretty damn cool for the Cajuns.

I agree, but I do not have any faith in our administration. If they were on top of things, we would have gotten the nod over La Tech. But you all saw what happened there.

La Tech sold the Shreveport market as their own and it worked for them. While Louisiana officials marketed only the MSA of Lafayette even though we have market penetration in Baton Rouge, Lafayette, Lake Charles and New Orleans with three viable television stations that are marketed in these areas based out of Lafayette not to mention the partnership with COX Communications. That is a total of close to 2.5 million people. That is reaching out to over half of the state with Lafayette based media, Scott Farmer and T-Joe Savioe failed big time.

(12-04-2012 07:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 06:28 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 06:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats not going to happen. It wont be that complicated...

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Also, if the ACC is really looking for a lot of teams, all of the teams above +Rice will be in play because of some combination of wins/geography/money/AAU academics.

Yes I agree. I was kind of looking at it from an ACC loses 2-4 senario. But yes, the more teams they lose, the more teams would likley be absorbed by the ACC...

A possible scenario could see FSU, Clemson, Louisville, Pitt heading to the Big 12 (now 14), and the SEC raiding for Virginia Tech and NC State, but the Big 10 being unable to take their only viable targets (UNC, Duke, Virginia, Ga Tech, Notre Dame Football). This leaves them with 10 for football (Miami, Ga Tech, UNC, Duke, Wake, UVa, Syracuse, BC, *UConn, Cincinnati*). This is an academically inclined conference with multiple private schools. Schools like Rice, Tulane, and SMU would lobby hard for inclusion and might have the connections to make it without the opposition of the football-first schools.

(12-04-2012 07:44 PM)GreenMississippi Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 07:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 06:28 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 06:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Thats not going to happen. It wont be that complicated...

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Also, if the ACC is really looking for a lot of teams, all of the teams above +Rice will be in play because of some combination of wins/geography/money/AAU academics.

Yes I agree. I was kind of looking at it from an ACC loses 2-4 senario. But yes, the more teams they lose, the more teams would likley be absorbed by the ACC...

A possible scenario could see FSU, Clemson, Louisville, Pitt heading to the Big 12 (now 14), and the SEC raiding for Virginia Tech and NC State, but the Big 10 being unable to take their only viable targets (UNC, Duke, Virginia, Ga Tech, Notre Dame Football). This leaves them with 10 for football (Miami, Ga Tech, UNC, Duke, Wake, UVa, Syracuse, BC, *UConn, Cincinnati*). This is an academically inclined conference with multiple private schools. Schools like Rice, Tulane, and SMU would lobby hard for inclusion and might have the connections to make it without the opposition of the football-first schools.

I could be wrong, but I think academics are out the window in that senario. If the ACC gets hit that hard they will just be trying to survive and to save as much TV value as they can.

Some of you just can keep on re-arranging your non AQ school's deck chairs & conference scenarios till the cows come home but fact remains you are still a non AQ school in a non AQ conference--just like the kind of conference the rest of us still reside.

A Weaker Non AQ Conference ='s BCS Bowl Buster? Are some of you creating conferences that will keep your school from ever having that role; that is, as a BCS Bowl Buster? Sure, the new bowl arrangement will choose one out of the non AQ group but if you play in a weaker conference and pull off a Top 25 win and then.......go undefeated won't that school get the nod most years or lawyers and courts get ready?

Seems Northern Illinois pulled it off this season, now doesn't it to all of you, uh.................. Former Big Time Non AQ Schools Who Think Being In Bed With Each Other (again) Will Help Your School Regain That Old Long Since Gone Big Time Magic?

And ask SMU and Tulane what the old CUSA consortium of schools (that is, CUSA before all the new schools with apparent cooties were all added last Spring) but ask those 2 schools what the CUSA of the last 15 years did for their home attendance numbers (even during winning seasons) and for what its worth, that is basically the same group of schools that will make up the new Big East. Hint: There will be no changes in the turnstile numbers for most of these non AQ schools no matter what kind of new wrapper you put on your product or how many "former" Big Time Schools are in one conference together---all over again. (In fact, haven't yall sung out of that hymnal once before)?:)

Bottom line in all this are the Big East schools or any combination of non AQ schools into maybe even a new conference are just as stuck in the mud as the rest of us and only TCU has been able to dig themselves out of all this muck and mire and only that because the Big 12 came a-callin'.

A Suggestion: Bloom where planted because that is what Northern Illinois did and now they are Orange Bowl bound versus the Florida State Seminoles. Even more ironic for NIU is that they did this without being a member of the Big East Conference--go figure.

(12-04-2012 07:26 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 12:12 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I'd hate to lose both Tulsa and UTEP but if we did so be it. Also can't say that I would blame them. They would be in a more regional conference. With the recent additions of CUSA I as a Marshall fan am pumped about the new regional teams we have to play. So at the same time, I can't fault another institution for doing the same thing that made me happy.

Now if we were to lose them, I would hope we will add Ark St and WKU.

Rumor up in Arkansas is that stAte and Louisiana are off to the MWC with UTEP & Tulsa to form a part of the Eastern Division.

Would be an interesting set up. Would this be for all sports?

It's not all about BCS busting.

A school like Tulsa can't afford to play an even less enticing schedule year in and year out and expect to maintain recruiting and budget.

(12-05-2012 09:11 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 07:26 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 12:12 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I'd hate to lose both Tulsa and UTEP but if we did so be it. Also can't say that I would blame them. They would be in a more regional conference. With the recent additions of CUSA I as a Marshall fan am pumped about the new regional teams we have to play. So at the same time, I can't fault another institution for doing the same thing that made me happy.

Now if we were to lose them, I would hope we will add Ark St and WKU.

Rumor up in Arkansas is that stAte and Louisiana are off to the MWC with UTEP & Tulsa to form a part of the Eastern Division.

Would be an interesting set up. Would this be for all sports?

I would assume so, but I am not sure if this has any legs to it.