(12-06-2012 03:05 PM)Weatherdemon Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 03:03 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 04:46 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  at the end of the day... was the right call made?

We don't know because for some reason, they did not bother to review it.

Every reviewable play is reviewed. Just because there is not a stoppage does not mean it was not reviewed.

Ignoring a coach who is trying to get your attention to review is not an excuse. Obviously if you're a Tulsa fan or a "non-defector" school's fan, you'll be less receptive to the possibility of an error in Tulsa's favor. Fact is there were way too many reviewable questions on that play to just chalk it up as "we didn't have enough camera angles." Game is over. Congrats to UT. It is what it is. We can agree to disagree.

(12-05-2012 01:12 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 11:36 PM)Nice Guy Eddie Wrote:  ]Patterson, the kid who made the block, never left the field of play. The only thing wrong with the play is that the UCF players let up before the whistle blew.

Exactly!
No whistle was blown

(12-05-2012 12:48 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  For those who don't want to wade through the initial video link, see

THIS LINK

The players know that ball is NOT dead, just that it was touched by the kicking team and will be returned to that spot if it is not advanced. Just a heads up play by Tulsa there, IMHO.

Thanks to EngAlum98:
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productd...s/FR12.pdf

RULE 4 (FR-55)

Live Ball Becomes Dead

ARTICLE 2. a. A live ball becomes a dead ball as provided in the rules or when

an official sounds his whistle (even though inadvertently) or otherwise signals the ball dead (A.R. 4-2-1-II and A.R. 4-2-4-I).

The closest referee to the ball and to almost every UCF player CLEARLY signaled that the play/ball was DEAD and to stop the clock on the change of possession.

(12-04-2012 10:10 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  UCF should leave CUSA in protest

I'm going to email the AD and tell him to pull out of the CUSA basketball tournament in protest. That'll show'em!

(12-06-2012 03:24 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 01:12 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 11:36 PM)Nice Guy Eddie Wrote:  ]Patterson, the kid who made the block, never left the field of play. The only thing wrong with the play is that the UCF players let up before the whistle blew.

Exactly!
No whistle was blown

(12-05-2012 12:48 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  For those who don't want to wade through the initial video link, see

THIS LINK

The players know that ball is NOT dead, just that it was touched by the kicking team and will be returned to that spot if it is not advanced. Just a heads up play by Tulsa there, IMHO.

Thanks to EngAlum98:
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productd...s/FR12.pdf

RULE 4 (FR-55)

Live Ball Becomes Dead

ARTICLE 2. a. A live ball becomes a dead ball as provided in the rules or when

an official sounds his whistle (even though inadvertently) or otherwise signals the ball dead (A.R. 4-2-1-II and A.R. 4-2-4-I).

The closest referee to the ball and to almost every UCF player CLEARLY signaled that the play/ball was DEAD and to stop the clock on the change of possession.

Any football officials here? I'm not even sure that is the signal for marking the ball dead, isn't that the stop the clock signal? marking the ball dead is having your hand straight up

Considering UCF should have been disqualified from playing for the championship in the first place, there sure is a lot of whining on here by people who like to live in the past. Must be dreading the Beef O'Brady Bowl.

(12-07-2012 02:25 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 03:24 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 01:12 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 11:36 PM)Nice Guy Eddie Wrote:  ]Patterson, the kid who made the block, never left the field of play. The only thing wrong with the play is that the UCF players let up before the whistle blew.

Exactly!
No whistle was blown

(12-05-2012 12:48 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  For those who don't want to wade through the initial video link, see

THIS LINK

The players know that ball is NOT dead, just that it was touched by the kicking team and will be returned to that spot if it is not advanced. Just a heads up play by Tulsa there, IMHO.

Thanks to EngAlum98:
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productd...s/FR12.pdf

RULE 4 (FR-55)

Live Ball Becomes Dead

ARTICLE 2. a. A live ball becomes a dead ball as provided in the rules or when

an official sounds his whistle (even though inadvertently) or otherwise signals the ball dead (A.R. 4-2-1-II and A.R. 4-2-4-I).

The closest referee to the ball and to almost every UCF player CLEARLY signaled that the play/ball was DEAD and to stop the clock on the change of possession.

Any football officials here? I'm not even sure that is the signal for marking the ball dead, isn't that the stop the clock signal? marking the ball dead is having your hand straight up

The top signal is to denote a timeout or stoppage in play. The bottom signal denotes a dead ball foul or can be used in part to identify where a kick went out of bounds... or if moving side-to-side, then a touchback.

Both audible and visible signals are used as in some cases, because of excess noise, whistles can not be heard. The confusion comes in because players are taught to "play to the whistle" since they should not be looking around at all the refs for visible signals. So, many assume that the whistle is the only thing that can stop play.

(12-07-2012 11:35 AM)UCFalum98 Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 02:25 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 03:24 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 01:12 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 11:36 PM)Nice Guy Eddie Wrote:  ]Patterson, the kid who made the block, never left the field of play. The only thing wrong with the play is that the UCF players let up before the whistle blew.

Exactly!
No whistle was blown

(12-05-2012 12:48 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  For those who don't want to wade through the initial video link, see

THIS LINK

The players know that ball is NOT dead, just that it was touched by the kicking team and will be returned to that spot if it is not advanced. Just a heads up play by Tulsa there, IMHO.

Thanks to EngAlum98:
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productd...s/FR12.pdf

RULE 4 (FR-55)

Live Ball Becomes Dead

ARTICLE 2. a. A live ball becomes a dead ball as provided in the rules or when

an official sounds his whistle (even though inadvertently) or otherwise signals the ball dead (A.R. 4-2-1-II and A.R. 4-2-4-I).

The closest referee to the ball and to almost every UCF player CLEARLY signaled that the play/ball was DEAD and to stop the clock on the change of possession.

Any football officials here? I'm not even sure that is the signal for marking the ball dead, isn't that the stop the clock signal? marking the ball dead is having your hand straight up

The top signal is to denote a timeout or stoppage in play. The bottom signal denotes a dead ball foul or can be used in part to identify where a kick went out of bounds... or if moving side-to-side, then a touchback.

Both audible and visible signals are used as in some cases, because of excess noise, whistles can not be heard. The confusion comes in because players are taught to "play to the whistle" since they should not be looking around at all the refs for visible signals. So, many assume that the whistle is the only thing that can stop play.

dead ball, hand goes up (example, forward progress stopped). Dead ball foul, hand goes up (to show penalty occurred before or after the play) followed by the signal of the penalty. Well, at least that is how I understand it.

according to NFL.com, the hand above the head signal is used for

CROWD NOISE,
DEAD BALL, or NEUTRAL
ZONE ESTABLISHED
One arm above head
with an open hand.
With fist closed: Fourth Down.

the waving of the arms denotes a timeout (by a team, official or media), but not stoppage of play. It stops the clock momentarily after a first down, but that is technically an officials timeout and not stoppage of the play

(12-07-2012 02:25 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 03:24 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 01:12 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 11:36 PM)Nice Guy Eddie Wrote:  ]Patterson, the kid who made the block, never left the field of play. The only thing wrong with the play is that the UCF players let up before the whistle blew.

Exactly!
No whistle was blown

(12-05-2012 12:48 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  For those who don't want to wade through the initial video link, see

THIS LINK

The players know that ball is NOT dead, just that it was touched by the kicking team and will be returned to that spot if it is not advanced. Just a heads up play by Tulsa there, IMHO.

Thanks to EngAlum98:
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productd...s/FR12.pdf

RULE 4 (FR-55)

Live Ball Becomes Dead

ARTICLE 2. a. A live ball becomes a dead ball as provided in the rules or when

an official sounds his whistle (even though inadvertently) or otherwise signals the ball dead (A.R. 4-2-1-II and A.R. 4-2-4-I).

The closest referee to the ball and to almost every UCF player CLEARLY signaled that the play/ball was DEAD and to stop the clock on the change of possession.

Any football officials here? I'm not even sure that is the signal for marking the ball dead, isn't that the stop the clock signal? marking the ball dead is having your hand straight up

The official signaled to stop the clock, as he was noting the "change of possession", so the play was dead.

The ball dead signal is used when there is no change of possession (i.e. a 3 yd run between the tackles on 1st and 10), when there is no stoppage of play or change of possession.

Relax,

Everything will be okay. The sun has set on our time in CUSA football. Need to sleep through basketball season and get ready for baseball season.

(12-08-2012 06:50 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 02:25 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 03:24 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-05-2012 01:12 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  

(12-04-2012 11:36 PM)Nice Guy Eddie Wrote:  ]Patterson, the kid who made the block, never left the field of play. The only thing wrong with the play is that the UCF players let up before the whistle blew.

Exactly!
No whistle was blown

(12-05-2012 12:48 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  For those who don't want to wade through the initial video link, see

THIS LINK

The players know that ball is NOT dead, just that it was touched by the kicking team and will be returned to that spot if it is not advanced. Just a heads up play by Tulsa there, IMHO.

Thanks to EngAlum98:
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productd...s/FR12.pdf

RULE 4 (FR-55)

Live Ball Becomes Dead

ARTICLE 2. a. A live ball becomes a dead ball as provided in the rules or when

an official sounds his whistle (even though inadvertently) or otherwise signals the ball dead (A.R. 4-2-1-II and A.R. 4-2-4-I).

The closest referee to the ball and to almost every UCF player CLEARLY signaled that the play/ball was DEAD and to stop the clock on the change of possession.

Any football officials here? I'm not even sure that is the signal for marking the ball dead, isn't that the stop the clock signal? marking the ball dead is having your hand straight up

The official signaled to stop the clock, as he was noting the "change of possession", so the play was dead.

The ball dead signal is used when there is no change of possession (i.e. a 3 yd run between the tackles on 1st and 10), when there is no stoppage of play or change of possession.

we'll agree to disagree

This thread keeps hanging around so I decided to check it out.




Bottom line, the UCF player touched the ball and didn't control it. It doesn't really matter if you thought the referee confused the players.

You should be killing the idiot on the return team who didn't let it take the bounce.

(12-08-2012 01:10 PM)gata_dawg Wrote:  This thread keeps hanging around so I decided to check it out.




Bottom line, the UCF player touched the ball and didn't control it. It doesn't really matter if you thought the referee confused the players.

You should be killing the idiot on the return team who didn't let it take the bounce.

It appeared to be the defensive player of the year that jumped, batted the ball, then headed to the sidelines.

(12-08-2012 01:10 PM)gata_dawg Wrote:  This thread keeps hanging around so I decided to check it out.




Bottom line, the UCF player touched the ball and didn't control it. It doesn't really matter if you thought the referee confused the players.

You should be killing the idiot on the return team who didn't let it take the bounce.

Best post of the thread.

Also, its not like they can reverse the call now, so why all the butthurt? The game is 60 minutes long, perhaps UCF should have played in a way in which this incident wouldn't matter?

Yeah, can we put a fork in this thread? The damn game is over. Tulsa won and UCF is moving on. Best of luck to Tulsa, good team.