(12-03-2012 11:10 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  Satterfield is a great OC, but I don't like the idea of him at HC. He's the chess master and needs to stay in the coaching box moving the pieces.

We need new blood at App State. Someone that will come in and run their system to perfection and preferably someone who will have no qualms with cleaning certain areas of the house (ie the defensive coaching staff). I'd also love to get someone with FBS experience and FBS recruiting connections.

There does need to be major changes in our defense. Nothing like any of the defenses he had before the last three years.

(12-03-2012 10:28 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 10:17 AM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(12-02-2012 10:03 PM)MTowho Wrote:  

(12-02-2012 07:57 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  

(12-02-2012 07:54 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Not to get ahead of ourselves, but would 2013 be the transition year and full member in 2014?

I think that's how it would work since MUTS/FAU won't be leaving until 2014. FIU/UNT are leaving in 2013 though so we'll have Texas State and Georgia State to replace them.

Yeah right. We're gone after this mess. Not sure about FAU.

Hope you've got some cash to buy out your schedule and make room for yourselves on CUSA's schedule. FBS home games average $1,000,000 per game. That's $4,000,000 for starters to the Sun Belt schools plus the cost of trying to make room for you on CUSA's schedules. Everyone's schedules were made years ago. It'd probably wind up costing about half your operating budget for next year.

App and Georgia Southern would be FCS transition teams so thats not a even swap. And even that would cost them money to get out of their games for next year (I dont know what FCS games cost).

Look I get you're pissed off. Everyone looks out for their own interests. You shouldn't expect us not to. I don't see what happened to MTSU as being anything more than unfortunate. Im not jumping with glee that you got screwed. I am laughing about what happened to Tech.

What did you expect the Belt to do? Send WKU to the MAC by choosing you over them?

You don't "buy out" of conference games, MTSU will not pay individual conference members anything. If the conference agrees to an early departure you pay whatever penalties are agreed to and move on.

And by the way, when WVU dumped FSU (an OCC game), WVU only paid FSU $500k. Everything depends on the contract.

Well, it won't be free cause there probably isn't a contract to determine the damages for leaving early. Remember, we don't have exit fees. That doesn't mean no damages or no tort has occurred. Damages would start at replacement value. I'll repeat: Start at replacement value. Or, what would appear to be, $1,000,000 a game. That's if anyone can be found. That doesnt include basketball which, admittedly is easier to find replacements for.

A nasty and expensive lawsuit would be forthcoming. It'd be expensive to leave now. WV and Florida State's deal had liquidated damages or a specified amount in case either party non performed.

I also believe we should bring in new blood, but it seems clear that Cobb's plan all along has been to get Satterfield ready for the FBS move. I hope I am proven wrong, because it would be a huge waste of time and money to conduct a bogus search. It would be incredible to get Skip Holtz to coincide with a move up to FBS, but I'm not counting on it. I'm OK with SS, but for God's sake, clean house and bring in some quality defensive coaches

(12-03-2012 11:14 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 11:10 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  Satterfield is a great OC, but I don't like the idea of him at HC. He's the chess master and needs to stay in the coaching box moving the pieces.

We need new blood at App State. Someone that will come in and run their system to perfection and preferably someone who will have no qualms with cleaning certain areas of the house (ie the defensive coaching staff). I'd also love to get someone with FBS experience and FBS recruiting connections.

There does need to be major changes in our defense. Nothing like any of the defenses he had before the last three years.

If you have a great Associate Head Coach that happens to have graduated from App State available, then seems certain that he would be given a chance as HC over anyone else unless they are clearly a better choice.

(12-03-2012 09:56 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Ellis Johnson??? No way in hell. He was a DC at App for 1 year. Also, he just got canned for a win-less season. The Alumni Association would explode and Cobb would be looking for a new job the very next day.

Skip Holtz would be interesting, but I just see Satterfield with the job. No reason to bring him in as the program's first ever Assistant Head Coach and OC for a year, knowing Moore was stepping down, and not pick him

I'm not disagreeing with you. It makes me to even think it. The word is there's been a divide all year with Satterfield kind of being underhanded and wanting the job as soon as possible.
He's not ready, and if he wants to be a head coach at App long term he should take a job elsewhere, then come back and after App transitions to FBS.
Ellis Johnson is probably best suited as a coordinator elsewhere.
Of course for you alums in that area, you could always make a splash and do what UNT did and hire Coach Chipman from North High!

I just want to point out that you can hire a life long assistant and him be successful, as proven by Jeff Monken.

And they can also fail (See Bill Guthridge, Richie Petitbon, Tommy West, Brad Scott, Joker Phillips, Mike Shula, Sylvester Croom).

(12-03-2012 02:35 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 09:56 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Ellis Johnson??? No way in hell. He was a DC at App for 1 year. Also, he just got canned for a win-less season. The Alumni Association would explode and Cobb would be looking for a new job the very next day.

Skip Holtz would be interesting, but I just see Satterfield with the job. No reason to bring him in as the program's first ever Assistant Head Coach and OC for a year, knowing Moore was stepping down, and not pick him

I'm not disagreeing with you. It makes me to even think it. The word is there's been a divide all year with Satterfield kind of being underhanded and wanting the job as soon as possible.
He's not ready, and if he wants to be a head coach at App long term he should take a job elsewhere, then come back and after App transitions to FBS.
Ellis Johnson is probably best suited as a coordinator elsewhere.
Of course for you alums in that area, you could always make a splash and do what UNT did and hire Coach Chipman from North High!

Why all this talk about Ellis Johnson? Personal interest?
After a no win season at USM this year - not going to happen.

Why is he not ready? Your opinion I take it. Fine, fair enough. Just remember that it is just your opinion. Nothing written in stone. Doesn't violate one of the forces of nature or anything.
Guess what, you could be wrong.

(12-03-2012 02:52 PM)GaSouthern Wrote:  I just want to point out that you can hire a life long assistant and him be successful, as proven by Jeff Monken.

Who are you talking about? And for who?

(12-03-2012 03:35 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 02:35 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 09:56 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Ellis Johnson??? No way in hell. He was a DC at App for 1 year. Also, he just got canned for a win-less season. The Alumni Association would explode and Cobb would be looking for a new job the very next day.

Skip Holtz would be interesting, but I just see Satterfield with the job. No reason to bring him in as the program's first ever Assistant Head Coach and OC for a year, knowing Moore was stepping down, and not pick him

I'm not disagreeing with you. It makes me to even think it. The word is there's been a divide all year with Satterfield kind of being underhanded and wanting the job as soon as possible.
He's not ready, and if he wants to be a head coach at App long term he should take a job elsewhere, then come back and after App transitions to FBS.
Ellis Johnson is probably best suited as a coordinator elsewhere.
Of course for you alums in that area, you could always make a splash and do what UNT did and hire Coach Chipman from North High!

Why all this talk about Ellis Johnson? Personal interest?
After a no win season at USM this year - not going to happen.

Why is he not ready? Your opinion I take it. Fine, fair enough. Just remember that it is just your opinion. Nothing written in stone. Doesn't violate one of the forces of nature or anything.
Guess what, you could be wrong.

(12-03-2012 02:52 PM)GaSouthern Wrote:  I just want to point out that you can hire a life long assistant and him be successful, as proven by Jeff Monken.

Who are you talking about? And for who?

Not just an opinion, a coordinator with no previous head coaching experience at any level simply is not ready to take on the task of a job like Appalachian State, which will include transitioning into FBS football. He'd be smart to not be the next head coach, but the one after. Let someone else come in, transition the program up (you're going to struggle for a few years, it's just a fact), then once that change plays out it'll be a great job for Satterfield.
If App was staying FCS, then I'd be more willing to say that Satterfield is the right man for the job.

Satterfield was the Assistant Head Coach this year. That along with OC for 3 years at the FBS level and proven able to win in bowl games is a serious plus.

(12-03-2012 02:52 PM)GaSouthern Wrote:  I just want to point out that you can hire a life long assistant and him be successful, as proven by Jeff Monken.

Who are you talking about? And for who?
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I'm under the impression that APP has a coach in waiting who is currently an assistant and has now been named the interim coach?

I was just making the point that some GSU fans were terrified of taking a chance on Monken since he had not really been tested as a big time Head Coach prior to coming back to GSU. I know it's not a lock one way or another but it can work.

Good thing for GaSo is: until you abandon the triple option, there will never be significant demand for your head coach no matter how successful he is.

(12-03-2012 04:16 PM)GaSouthern Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 02:52 PM)GaSouthern Wrote:  I just want to point out that you can hire a life long assistant and him be successful, as proven by Jeff Monken.

Who are you talking about? And for who?

I'm under the impression that APP has a coach in waiting who is currently an assistant and has now been named the interim coach?

I was just making the point that some GSU fans were terrified of taking a chance on Monken since he had not really been tested as a big time Head Coach prior to coming back to GSU. I know it's not a lock one way or another but it can work.
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Ow, I see now. Really didn't know what you meant at all. Makes a lot of sense now. You are right.

(12-03-2012 04:21 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  Good thing for GaSo is: until you abandon the triple option, there will never be significant demand for your head coach no matter how successful he is.

Yep, a big advantage for us. We have a fan base that identifies and takes pride in it so there will not be pressure to abandon it like most schools. The biggest reason non BCS schools can't maintain success is their coach gets stolen as soon as they are good.

Alot of speculation on the free side SC rivals board:

http://southcarolina.rivals.com/showmsg....17&style=2

Jerry Moore's first head coaching job was at North Texas (1979-1980). He then moved to Texas Tech for 5 years. Later took the job at ASU.

(12-03-2012 03:49 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Satterfield was the Assistant Head Coach this year. That along with OC for 3 years at the FBS level and proven able to win in bowl games is a serious plus.

So is every other Associate HC that's been a proven winner in bowl games. You're describing Joker Phillips, an alum who went other places, was successful as an assistant, came back to his alma mater to be the Associate HC/HCiW following a man who was the most successful coach the Wildcats have had since Bear Bryant.
He became the head man and in three years lost his job.
Marshall had a smooth transition up because they stockpiled what was then Division I-A transfers (Kresser, Moss, etc..) and rode that wave for awhile.
I like Satterfield, and think probably in time he's the guy, but not THIS HIRE. Bring in an outsider, let him take the transition lumps to FBS, and if he works out then great, if not then you can let him go and turn it to the alum who comes riding in like the Knight in Shining Armor.

Right now the top two candidates are both App State alums that were roommates at App State. Satterfield and Shawn Elliott. We have had a lot of people that have gone into coaching over the years, as you know.

Oh yea, the place is a freaking pipeline, especially under Coach Moore. That's why I'd let an outsider take the fall during the transition, you guys are moving it's when, not if, then after the 4-5 years of struggles have an App guy come in.
On a separate note, it sucks that by the time my school gets back on the field ya'll will be long gone. Any chance we ship Barbie Breedlove back across the mountain, along with some coaches and our soon to be former a.d.? Or better yet, could we ship em to someone we both hate, Furman perhaps?

(12-02-2012 07:48 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Yeah, I hope they would keep Troy in the East for sure. Still wish the SB would invite App State, GaSo and JMU. Would be some great areas of the country for the SB to cover, good attendances, schools, and would really be good for the league. All three schools would probably be committed for many years if we can get that media inequity figure closer to some of the other conference.

well if that is the lineup, you would see stAte and Ulaf leave as fast as they can..