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(11-12-2020 11:33 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Football is the only sport with four divisions. The NCAA needs to do away with FCS. If you can’t fund 85 scholarships, then the school drops down to D2 for all sports. The VCUs of the world have an unfair advantage as they can place all of their funding into basketball. In my opinion, D1 schools only include schools that can fund D1 football.

It almost sounds like you just called FCS football D2 :)

Hypothetically, in this scenario what happens to FCS schools like NDSU, Montana, UD, and JMU?

Do you get enough schools in the CAA, Big Sky and MVFC to meet the 85 scholarship jump? If not, these schools have to go Indy or become D2? JMU (and a few others) don't belong D2 in most other sports. Merging FCS with D2 would also make the existing FCS playoff system untenable in its current form.

I would certainly hope you would be advocating for JMU to be D1 Indy rather than drop to D2 if this ever occurred.
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VT went Indy in football for a period of time. It was a vastly different period when there were a lot of Indy schools.

I would expect some schools to remain D1 while others dropped. I believe JMU and NDSU would remain D1. Perhaps Indy would be a more viable option if more schools went that route due to the dissolution of FCS. Hard to know for sure.
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Good news, we can schedule Emory & Henry now as our DII peers.
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(11-17-2020 02:29 PM)Anders Wrote:  

Good news, we can schedule Emory & Henry now as our DII peers.

Sounds like a great home and home option that will make it easier to get better seed in the tournament.

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(11-17-2020 02:40 PM)Dukester Wrote:  
(11-17-2020 02:29 PM)Anders Wrote:  

Good news, we can schedule Emory & Henry now as our DII peers.

Sounds like a great home and home option that will make it easier to get better seed in the tournament.

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Could this be the geographic footprint JMU has been monitoring, this opens up that spot in the ODAC for JMU.
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(11-14-2020 11:38 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  VT went Indy in football for a period of time. It was a vastly different period when there were a lot of Indy schools.

I would expect some schools to remain D1 while others dropped. I believe JMU and NDSU would remain D1. Perhaps Indy would be a more viable option if more schools went that route due to the dissolution of FCS. Hard to know for sure.

What other regional FCS schools would likely become D1 Indy? We don’t schedule NDSU or Montana now, arguably due to distance/cost.

I can see UD as a state flagship not willing to accept dropping to D2 status, and perhaps W&M would make the jump also as a matter of pride (though that’s a stretch). Who else nearby is even close to ready? Most of the CAA was quick to pull the plug on fall football, which speaks volumes to how much they value it.
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Id have to guess that if it came to this scenario, we'd be calling on UD, Towson, and Stony Brook for Indy partners - WM is destined for Patriot (but arguably deserve Ivy status). Richmond goes D3.

Realistically its just JMU with Liberty and an SEC game as good pay days each year to help with costs
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Rumblings that the Atlantic Sun is about to announce expansion- Central Arkansas, Jacksonville State, and Eastern Kentucky. Supposedly they will play in the Big South for football until they have enough members to qualify for an FCS auto bid.
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Source please? Why is the ASun a better destination than the OVC and Southland for these three schools? You have an Alabama, Kentucky and Arkansas school coming together at the same time. Seems kind of odd,
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(11-18-2020 08:20 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Source please? Why is the ASun a better destination than the OVC and Southland for these three schools? You have an Alabama, Kentucky and Arkansas school coming together at the same time. Seems kind of odd,

Can't speak to the OVC situation, but there are rumblings that the Texas based Southland schools are targets of the WAC as they try to start an FCS league.

Here is an article that references two tweets on the ASUN expansion: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/...uxbndlbing
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It feels like the ASUN is the home for programs looking for a parking spot. If these schools join, there will now be three Alabama and three NC schools in the ASUN along with Monmouth, Charleston Southern and Hampton.

I just looked at the schools in the WAC. Wow, it looks nothing like the old WAC. None of the original 8 and then 16 schools remain in it. New Mexico St. and Grand Canyon are the only names I recognize. I think NMST is the only one that plays D1 football. Utah Valley might play D2. I am too lazy to look it up.

I love to see conference movement because it gives me hope for us. Queue Purplehazed to throw water on that thought.
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(11-18-2020 10:41 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  It feels like the ASUN is the home for programs looking for a parking spot. If these schools join, there will now be three Alabama and three NC schools in the ASUN along with Monmouth, Charleston Southern and Hampton.

I just looked at the schools in the WAC. Wow, it looks nothing like the old WAC. None of the original 8 and then 16 schools remain in it. New Mexico St. and Grand Canyon are the only names I recognize. I think NMST is the only one that plays D1 football. Utah Valley might play D2. I am too lazy to look it up.

I love to see conference movement because it gives me hope for us. Queue Purplehazed to throw water on that thought.

I am with you Nation. Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things.

I too like to see conference movement of any kind because it keeps yhis thread active and I am hoping this thread ends up setting a world record for views and posts. At some point, this thread could be on espn's pardon the interruption.
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(11-18-2020 08:20 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Source please? Why is the ASun a better destination than the OVC and Southland for these three schools? You have an Alabama, Kentucky and Arkansas school coming together at the same time. Seems kind of odd,

Here’s an article about the A Sun and WAC

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...tball-2020

Here are some tweets regarding the source of the A Sun expansion noise :

https://twitter.com/craighaley/status/13...52579?s=21
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/...73921?s=21
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(11-18-2020 12:55 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  At some point, this thread could be on espn's pardon the interruption.

Or, depending on which page, “Come ON, man!”
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(11-18-2020 12:55 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 10:41 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  It feels like the ASUN is the home for programs looking for a parking spot. If these schools join, there will now be three Alabama and three NC schools in the ASUN along with Monmouth, Charleston Southern and Hampton.

I just looked at the schools in the WAC. Wow, it looks nothing like the old WAC. None of the original 8 and then 16 schools remain in it. New Mexico St. and Grand Canyon are the only names I recognize. I think NMST is the only one that plays D1 football. Utah Valley might play D2. I am too lazy to look it up.

I love to see conference movement because it gives me hope for us. Queue Purplehazed to throw water on that thought.

I am with you Nation. Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things.

I too like to see conference movement of any kind because it keeps yhis thread active and I am hoping this thread ends up setting a world record for views and posts. At some point, this thread could be on espn's pardon the interruption.

You stop being positive! I don’t know how to respond to you when you are.
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(11-18-2020 01:01 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 08:20 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Source please? Why is the ASun a better destination than the OVC and Southland for these three schools? You have an Alabama, Kentucky and Arkansas school coming together at the same time. Seems kind of odd,

Here’s an article about the A Sun and WAC

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...tball-2020

Here are some tweets regarding the source of the A Sun expansion noise :

https://twitter.com/craighaley/status/13...52579?s=21
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/...73921?s=21

This looks like a done deal. I would like to see FCS schools serious about football rather than those who make a half hearted effort. The Big South is gaining some momentum with these adds. Is Presbyterian dropping football? I feel like I read that somewhere.
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(11-18-2020 01:52 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 01:01 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(11-18-2020 08:20 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Source please? Why is the ASun a better destination than the OVC and Southland for these three schools? You have an Alabama, Kentucky and Arkansas school coming together at the same time. Seems kind of odd,

Here’s an article about the A Sun and WAC

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...tball-2020

Here are some tweets regarding the source of the A Sun expansion noise :

https://twitter.com/craighaley/status/13...52579?s=21
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/...73921?s=21

This looks like a done deal. I would like to see FCS schools serious about football rather than those who make a half hearted effort. The Big South is gaining some momentum with these adds. Is Presbyterian dropping football? I feel like I read that somewhere.

I think they're dropping back a level or to the NEC.
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By way of background, I am a W&M grad but grew up Va Beach and have been a season ticket holder of ODU basketball for about 30 years and a season ticket holder for ODU football since it re-started in 2009. I still catch about 2 Tribe football games a year but watch them on TV when not there. I was at the 2004 semifinal game against JMU in Williamsburg. I went to the CAA basketball tournament every year for over 20 years when it was in Richmond (I think it was there that long). I was there for the Culuko shot against ODU and for many ODU-VCU basketball games home and away that rivaled any other sporting event I have ever attended for intensity and hatred. I was at the game when ODU beat VT in football in Norfolk. I love college football and basketball and I have experience with both the CAA and FCS football as well as FBS football with ODU since it joined CUSA. I only offer all that to say that I know our regional rivalries, know FCS football and know FBS football like many of you. With that knowledge I can honestly say that all of you clamoring for FBS should really be careful of what you wish for.

I cannot begin to describe how boring FBS football at the G5 level is. Sure, ODU gets a nice out of conference game each year against a UVA, VT or some other ACC school, and if that is all you care about, then I guess FBS is for you but that is one game. After that, the rest of the season is exhibition football. The goal is to supposedly win a conference that has teams you could care less about on TV channels where streaming is the only option (and which throw off very little case to the universities) in largely empty stadiums. The prize for winning your conference or becoming "bowl eligible" is to play an additional exhibition game against another G5 school you could care less about. Power 5 teams rarely if ever play G5s in bowls anymore. It is just an extra exhibition game near Thanksgiving or Xmas that has no excitement and no purpose other than for coaches to pretend it means something. And the toll this takes on your basketball team is enormous. ODU and VCU were equals until CUSA killed ODU basketball.

If you are just into the football for the tailgating, then I guess the one game a year against UVa or Tech or some other Power 5 may be all you care about. If you're greatest dream is UVa or Tech coming to Harrisonburg for a football game, then I guess FBS is for you. But if you are the kind of person who is actually in it for the football such that you were pissed for days when JMU lost to Colgate or NDSU, rest assured those feelings will go away because you will no longer be playing games that matter for anything other than qualification for a meaningless bowl in some meaningless town on some date that if you have a family or are a member of one you will most likely be with them at the time. The tailgates will become monotonous because getting tuned up for a meaningless game gets to be more and more of a chore. At least with FCS, there is some excitement because you are playing for a national championship. You end up watching to see what other teams are doing throughout the season to see what that means to the rankings, your seed in the tournament and home field advantage. That interest quickly goes away with G5 football in a conference like CUSA or the Sunbelt. It would be worse as an independent.

ODU tailgating for games against W&M, UofR and JMU before they moved to FBS were as big and as fun as the last VT game two years ago. Yes, I am a homer and do not want to see the Tribe left playing only the Ticks each year, but anyone considering a move to FBS football needs to understand that if you want to do it for the football, you will be severely disappointed. If you are one of those people who thinks it's important to be able to tell your friends your school is FBS, trust me they will not know the difference if you are playing in CUSA or the Sunbelt. If a regional conference suddenly takes shape then yes, a lot of this post could change in terms of some excitement at the games due to better rivalries, but if that happens it also probably means the Power 5 have left the NCAA and are going to play by themselves under their own scholarship limits and player salaries in which case G5 FBS football just becomes 1AA football again anyway and JMU could easily join that group at that point.

I'd say this is just one man's opinion, but there are a fair amount of people at ODU who wished they had never moved up. Not a majority but a fair amount. Admittedly ODU has been bad the last few years which puts a damper on excitement, but even the year they went like 7-3 or something and went to bowl, it was boring to watch and painful to listen to the coach talk week after week about the importance of going to some no name bowl against some equally no name opponent. Playoff football is way more exciting.
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(11-18-2020 07:22 PM)TribeinVB Wrote:  By way of background, I am a W&M grad but grew up Va Beach and have been a season ticket holder of ODU basketball for about 30 years and a season ticket holder for ODU football since it re-started in 2009. I still catch about 2 Tribe football games a year but watch them on TV when not there. I was at the 2004 semifinal game against JMU in Williamsburg. I went to the CAA basketball tournament every year for over 20 years when it was in Richmond (I think it was there that long). I was there for the Culuko shot against ODU and for many ODU-VCU basketball games home and away that rivaled any other sporting event I have ever attended for intensity and hatred. I was at the game when ODU beat VT in football in Norfolk. I love college football and basketball and I have experience with both the CAA and FCS football as well as FBS football with ODU since it joined CUSA. I only offer all that to say that I know our regional rivalries, know FCS football and know FBS football like many of you. With that knowledge I can honestly say that all of you clamoring for FBS should really be careful of what you wish for.

I cannot begin to describe how boring FBS football at the G5 level is. Sure, ODU gets a nice out of conference game each year against a UVA, VT or some other ACC school, and if that is all you care about, then I guess FBS is for you but that is one game. After that, the rest of the season is exhibition football. The goal is to supposedly win a conference that has teams you could care less about on TV channels where streaming is the only option (and which throw off very little case to the universities) in largely empty stadiums. The prize for winning your conference or becoming "bowl eligible" is to play an additional exhibition game against another G5 school you could care less about. Power 5 teams rarely if ever play G5s in bowls anymore. It is just an extra exhibition game near Thanksgiving or Xmas that has no excitement and no purpose other than for coaches to pretend it means something. And the toll this takes on your basketball team is enormous. ODU and VCU were equals until CUSA killed ODU basketball.

If you are just into the football for the tailgating, then I guess the one game a year against UVa or Tech or some other Power 5 may be all you care about. If you're greatest dream is UVa or Tech coming to Harrisonburg for a football game, then I guess FBS is for you. But if you are the kind of person who is actually in it for the football such that you were pissed for days when JMU lost to Colgate or NDSU, rest assured those feelings will go away because you will no longer be playing games that matter for anything other than qualification for a meaningless bowl in some meaningless town on some date that if you have a family or are a member of one you will most likely be with them at the time. The tailgates will become monotonous because getting tuned up for a meaningless game gets to be more and more of a chore. At least with FCS, there is some excitement because you are playing for a national championship. You end up watching to see what other teams are doing throughout the season to see what that means to the rankings, your seed in the tournament and home field advantage. That interest quickly goes away with G5 football in a conference like CUSA or the Sunbelt. It would be worse as an independent.

ODU tailgating for games against W&M, UofR and JMU before they moved to FBS were as big and as fun as the last VT game two years ago. Yes, I am a homer and do not want to see the Tribe left playing only the Ticks each year, but anyone considering a move to FBS football needs to understand that if you want to do it for the football, you will be severely disappointed. If you are one of those people who thinks it's important to be able to tell your friends your school is FBS, trust me they will not know the difference if you are playing in CUSA or the Sunbelt. If a regional conference suddenly takes shape then yes, a lot of this post could change in terms of some excitement at the games due to better rivalries, but if that happens it also probably means the Power 5 have left the NCAA and are going to play by themselves under their own scholarship limits and player salaries in which case G5 FBS football just becomes 1AA football again anyway and JMU could easily join that group at that point.

I'd say this is just one man's opinion, but there are a fair amount of people at ODU who wished they had never moved up. Not a majority but a fair amount. Admittedly ODU has been bad the last few years which puts a damper on excitement, but even the year they went like 7-3 or something and went to bowl, it was boring to watch and painful to listen to the coach talk week after week about the importance of going to some no name bowl against some equally no name opponent. Playoff football is way more exciting.

Probably a good thing JMU didn’t move to CUSA with ODU back in the day. What this poster describes sounds really horrible. I think it might be a byproduct of CUSA going the whole mArKeTz route when they decided to expand. The TV money just wasn’t there for the teams CUSA brought in. Which probably is the reason CUSA games might be hard to find on TV? I’m not sure about the whole TV thing since I don’t normally watch CUSA teams.

BUT that doesn’t have to be JMU, learn from the mistakes of your peers and do better. LU is playing 3 ACC schools this year and so far I’ve been happy with all the teams we have played. The FCS teams were meh but that is common to get a easy win for bowl eligibility. FBS isn’t for everyone and FCS is fun to watch so it’s not like y’all have it horrible.
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(11-18-2020 07:22 PM)TribeinVB Wrote:  By way of background, I am a W&M grad but grew up Va Beach and have been a season ticket holder of ODU basketball for about 30 years and a season ticket holder for ODU football since it re-started in 2009. I still catch about 2 Tribe football games a year but watch them on TV when not there. I was at the 2004 semifinal game against JMU in Williamsburg. I went to the CAA basketball tournament every year for over 20 years when it was in Richmond (I think it was there that long). I was there for the Culuko shot against ODU and for many ODU-VCU basketball games home and away that rivaled any other sporting event I have ever attended for intensity and hatred. I was at the game when ODU beat VT in football in Norfolk. I love college football and basketball and I have experience with both the CAA and FCS football as well as FBS football with ODU since it joined CUSA. I only offer all that to say that I know our regional rivalries, know FCS football and know FBS football like many of you. With that knowledge I can honestly say that all of you clamoring for FBS should really be careful of what you wish for.

I cannot begin to describe how boring FBS football at the G5 level is. Sure, ODU gets a nice out of conference game each year against a UVA, VT or some other ACC school, and if that is all you care about, then I guess FBS is for you but that is one game. After that, the rest of the season is exhibition football. The goal is to supposedly win a conference that has teams you could care less about on TV channels where streaming is the only option (and which throw off very little case to the universities) in largely empty stadiums. The prize for winning your conference or becoming "bowl eligible" is to play an additional exhibition game against another G5 school you could care less about. Power 5 teams rarely if ever play G5s in bowls anymore. It is just an extra exhibition game near Thanksgiving or Xmas that has no excitement and no purpose other than for coaches to pretend it means something. And the toll this takes on your basketball team is enormous. ODU and VCU were equals until CUSA killed ODU basketball.

If you are just into the football for the tailgating, then I guess the one game a year against UVa or Tech or some other Power 5 may be all you care about. If you're greatest dream is UVa or Tech coming to Harrisonburg for a football game, then I guess FBS is for you. But if you are the kind of person who is actually in it for the football such that you were pissed for days when JMU lost to Colgate or NDSU, rest assured those feelings will go away because you will no longer be playing games that matter for anything other than qualification for a meaningless bowl in some meaningless town on some date that if you have a family or are a member of one you will most likely be with them at the time. The tailgates will become monotonous because getting tuned up for a meaningless game gets to be more and more of a chore. At least with FCS, there is some excitement because you are playing for a national championship. You end up watching to see what other teams are doing throughout the season to see what that means to the rankings, your seed in the tournament and home field advantage. That interest quickly goes away with G5 football in a conference like CUSA or the Sunbelt. It would be worse as an independent.

ODU tailgating for games against W&M, UofR and JMU before they moved to FBS were as big and as fun as the last VT game two years ago. Yes, I am a homer and do not want to see the Tribe left playing only the Ticks each year, but anyone considering a move to FBS football needs to understand that if you want to do it for the football, you will be severely disappointed. If you are one of those people who thinks it's important to be able to tell your friends your school is FBS, trust me they will not know the difference if you are playing in CUSA or the Sunbelt. If a regional conference suddenly takes shape then yes, a lot of this post could change in terms of some excitement at the games due to better rivalries, but if that happens it also probably means the Power 5 have left the NCAA and are going to play by themselves under their own scholarship limits and player salaries in which case G5 FBS football just becomes 1AA football again anyway and JMU could easily join that group at that point.

I'd say this is just one man's opinion, but there are a fair amount of people at ODU who wished they had never moved up. Not a majority but a fair amount. Admittedly ODU has been bad the last few years which puts a damper on excitement, but even the year they went like 7-3 or something and went to bowl, it was boring to watch and painful to listen to the coach talk week after week about the importance of going to some no name bowl against some equally no name opponent. Playoff football is way more exciting.

This is the biggest load of BS sour grapes post I have ever read.
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