I'm really excited about the Union Bank & Trust Center, but I'm really nervous about having to put a tarp on the upper deck for basketball games. I can't envision filling out 8,500 seats in a one bid league.

(05-20-2018 05:12 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I'm really excited about the Union Bank & Trust Center, but I'm really nervous about having to put a tarp on the upper deck for basketball games. I can't envision filling out 8,500 seats in a one bid league.

Playin game on in one bid league.

(05-18-2018 08:33 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I sincerely believe that App, ODU and JMU want to be in a conference together and know the schools are talking. It just makes too much sense to ignore. They represent three schools with strong fan bases and the rivalries between them would make each year a must see game. The question is who joins them?

You are coo coo for coco puffs if you believe that. If that was the case then ODU would have stayed in the CAA and Appy would have joined the CAA. Neither happened....

Quote:My first two obvious choices are UD and Marshall. They likely will require some convincing.

Don't put Marshall in this mess, I doubt ODU or Appy fans want in it either. This is as laughable as Chattanooga, Western Carolina and ETSU fans thinking up realigned conferences with Marshall, Appy, GA Southern and even UAB and Southern Miss in them. I hate to tell them but Marshall has been gone from the SoCon now for 22 years, they will never see the Herd roll into Cullowhee NC, Chattanooga TN or Johnson City TN to play another football game.

I mean if you are going to go all out and full on stupid might as well round out you list with ECU and Richmond and while you are at it have VCU starting football and being it the so called new conference.

(05-21-2018 12:29 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 08:33 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I sincerely believe that App, ODU and JMU want to be in a conference together and know the schools are talking. It just makes too much sense to ignore. They represent three schools with strong fan bases and the rivalries between them would make each year a must see game. The question is who joins them?

You are coo coo for coco puffs if you believe that. If that was the case then ODU would have stayed in the CAA and Appy would have joined the CAA. Neither happened....

Quote:My first two obvious choices are UD and Marshall. They likely will require some convincing.

Don't put Marshall in this mess, I doubt ODU or Appy fans want in it either. This is as laughable as Chattanooga, Western Carolina and ETSU fans thinking up realigned conferences with Marshall, Appy, GA Southern and even UAB and Southern Miss in them. I hate to tell them but Marshall has been gone from the SoCon now for 22 years, they will never see the Herd roll into Cullowhee NC, Chattanooga TN or Johnson City TN to play another football game.

I mean if you are going to go all out and full on stupid might as well round out you list with ECU and Richmond and while you are at it have VCU starting football and being it the so called new conference.

Herd's post (even though he makes it on a JMU board so he and other Marshall fans must have some interest in JMU) got me thinking. F all these other schools. We don't need them and if we need them they need us as much. It's obvious that JMU's athletics programs are flourishing. We are getting as much or more exposure than these jokers on ESPN (Including our Football program). We're have a stronger brand academically as well. Keep doing what we're doing and our trajectory no matter what the name of the conference or who our conference mates are is better than theirs.

(05-21-2018 12:29 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 08:33 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I sincerely believe that App, ODU and JMU want to be in a conference together and know the schools are talking. It just makes too much sense to ignore. They represent three schools with strong fan bases and the rivalries between them would make each year a must see game. The question is who joins them?

You are coo coo for coco puffs if you believe that. If that was the case then ODU would have stayed in the CAA and Appy would have joined the CAA. Neither happened....

Quote:My first two obvious choices are UD and Marshall. They likely will require some convincing.

Don't put Marshall in this mess, I doubt ODU or Appy fans want in it either. This is as laughable as Chattanooga, Western Carolina and ETSU fans thinking up realigned conferences with Marshall, Appy, GA Southern and even UAB and Southern Miss in them. I hate to tell them but Marshall has been gone from the SoCon now for 22 years, they will never see the Herd roll into Cullowhee NC, Chattanooga TN or Johnson City TN to play another football game.

I mean if you are going to go all out and full on stupid might as well round out you list with ECU and Richmond and while you are at it have VCU starting football and being it the so called new conference.

Dude:

You might be the most clueless poster I have seen on these boards. There is a reason why all the top schools in CUSA left your program behind for the AAC. Your football program had some good years but that was a long time ago and all but forgotten unless you are a middle aged fan.

Look around you buddy. There isn’t one program in CUSA that is a household name. There isn’t a school whose athletics program and facilities compare to JMU. Don’t come back to me with your idiotic football only post pal because being a one trick pony in a G5 league isn’t going to carry any water here.

Maybe one day you will wake up and realize that regionalization is the only thing that will save the G5 schools from bankruptcy in their athletics programs. Most G5 athletics departments are hemorrhaging money right now and the change in the tax laws plus the inability to fee students is going to do further damage to their budgets.

I really don’t care if Marshall stays where it is. We will be happy to form a regional league with others then continue to out recruit you. Feel free to take our back up QB to be your starter. Like ECU you will wake up one day and realize that JMU Athletics is overall superior to any thing Marshall can put unto the field because if given the choice a student athlete with any life ambitions would much rather have a degree from JMU then a school whose student body reads and writes at a 5th grade level.

(05-21-2018 07:39 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Maybe one day you will wake up and realize that regionalization is the only thing that will save the G5 schools from bankruptcy in their athletics programs. Most G5 athletics departments are hemorrhaging money right now and the change in the tax laws plus the inability to fee students is going to do further damage to their budgets.

doesn't it feel like a game of chicken with some of these G5 schools/conferences? we've heard from numerous schools how they're losing a lot of money and that the model isn't sustainable. but they're going down with that ship, dammit! it seems like no one wants to finally give in (although i guess Idaho did... right? too lazy to look that up but i thought i read they are going back to the Big Sky).

(05-21-2018 07:39 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 12:29 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 08:33 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I sincerely believe that App, ODU and JMU want to be in a conference together and know the schools are talking. It just makes too much sense to ignore. They represent three schools with strong fan bases and the rivalries between them would make each year a must see game. The question is who joins them?

You are coo coo for coco puffs if you believe that. If that was the case then ODU would have stayed in the CAA and Appy would have joined the CAA. Neither happened....

Quote:My first two obvious choices are UD and Marshall. They likely will require some convincing.

Don't put Marshall in this mess, I doubt ODU or Appy fans want in it either. This is as laughable as Chattanooga, Western Carolina and ETSU fans thinking up realigned conferences with Marshall, Appy, GA Southern and even UAB and Southern Miss in them. I hate to tell them but Marshall has been gone from the SoCon now for 22 years, they will never see the Herd roll into Cullowhee NC, Chattanooga TN or Johnson City TN to play another football game.

I mean if you are going to go all out and full on stupid might as well round out you list with ECU and Richmond and while you are at it have VCU starting football and being it the so called new conference.

Dude:

You might be the most clueless poster I have seen on these boards. There is a reason why all the top schools in CUSA left your program behind for the AAC. Your football program had some good years but that was a long time ago and all but forgotten unless you are a middle aged fan.

Look around you buddy. There isn’t one program in CUSA that is a household name. There isn’t a school whose athletics program and facilities compare to JMU. Don’t come back to me with your idiotic football only post pal because being a one trick pony in a G5 league isn’t going to carry any water here.

Maybe one day you will wake up and realize that regionalization is the only thing that will save the G5 schools from bankruptcy in their athletics programs. Most G5 athletics departments are hemorrhaging money right now and the change in the tax laws plus the inability to fee students is going to do further damage to their budgets.

I really don’t care if Marshall stays where it is. We will be happy to form a regional league with others then continue to out recruit you. Feel free to take our back up QB to be your starter. Like ECU you will wake up one day and realize that JMU Athletics is overall superior to any thing Marshall can put unto the field because if given the choice a student athlete with any life ambitions would much rather have a degree from JMU then a school whose student body reads and writes at a 5th grade level.

(05-21-2018 08:38 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 07:39 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Maybe one day you will wake up and realize that regionalization is the only thing that will save the G5 schools from bankruptcy in their athletics programs. Most G5 athletics departments are hemorrhaging money right now and the change in the tax laws plus the inability to fee students is going to do further damage to their budgets.

doesn't it feel like a game of chicken with some of these G5 schools/conferences? we've heard from numerous schools how they're losing a lot of money and that the model isn't sustainable. but they're going down with that ship, dammit! it seems like no one wants to finally give in (although i guess Idaho did... right? too lazy to look that up but i thought i read they are going back to the Big Sky).

I agree. The problem is that many are going to have to sink before they realize they must do something to survive.
As much as I hate our decision, it appears that we made the right one. ODU isn't in a significantly better position. Meanwhile, we are getting far more exposure and having more success across the board.
Other schools and conferences are going to need us far more than we need them.
We are not sinking, but there are so many G5 schools that are and will continue to deny it until it's too late.

(05-18-2018 09:23 AM)NoDak Wrote:  ...

Just want to get you bozos on record...

We've been called worse.

I hate to admit this but I think JMU has made the correct conference decisions thus far.

ODU fans complaining about CUSA has done a lot to open my eyes. I am not going to lie, I would struggle to name the teams in CUSA and I have claimed that JMU should have joined CUSA. F##k Marshall by the way...

I don't like the FCS brand but the CUSA/ current G5 brand is not better.

A regional G5 makes sense and sitting in the mid-atlantic with great facilities should reserve a seat for JMU if a regional G5 ever happens.

If JMU sits out a regional G5 move then tar and feathers come out but I think JMU would take a regional G5 offer.

I have been too hard on Jeff Bourne.

(05-21-2018 11:44 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I hate to admit this but I think JMU has made the correct conference decisions thus far.

ODU fans complaining about CUSA has done a lot to open my eyes. I am not going to lie, I would struggle to name the teams in CUSA and I have claimed that JMU should have joined CUSA. F##k Marshall by the way...

I don't like the FCS brand but the CUSA/ current G5 brand is not better.

A regional G5 makes sense and sitting in the mid-atlantic with great facilities should reserve a seat for JMU if a regional G5 ever happens.

If JMU sits out a regional G5 move then tar and feathers come out but I think JMU would take a regional G5 offer.

I have been too hard on Jeff Bourne.

First time I've checked the boards in a while and...
...WTactualF?!?!?! Now I am truly terrified of whatever's about to happen with this North Korea meeting. Dogs and Cats living together.

But hazed, I sincerely hope you're being serious here one because as much as I've loved your passion and unwillingness to concede to the more dunderheaded pro-FCS peeps, this is where I've gotten too over the last few years. As much as I don't want to be stuck playing URI forever, what we've experienced the last 3 years is unquestionably better than anything we would have seen in the current crummy G3 (to me, AAC and MWC remain a different story).

(05-21-2018 03:02 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 11:44 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I hate to admit this but I think JMU has made the correct conference decisions thus far.

ODU fans complaining about CUSA has done a lot to open my eyes. I am not going to lie, I would struggle to name the teams in CUSA and I have claimed that JMU should have joined CUSA. F##k Marshall by the way...

I don't like the FCS brand but the CUSA/ current G5 brand is not better.

A regional G5 makes sense and sitting in the mid-atlantic with great facilities should reserve a seat for JMU if a regional G5 ever happens.

If JMU sits out a regional G5 move then tar and feathers come out but I think JMU would take a regional G5 offer.

I have been too hard on Jeff Bourne.

First time I've checked the boards in a while and...
...WTactualF?!?!?! Now I am truly terrified of whatever's about to happen with this North Korea meeting. Dogs and Cats living together.

But hazed, I sincerely hope you're being serious here one because as much as I've loved your passion and unwillingness to concede to the more dunderheaded pro-FCS peeps, this is where I've gotten too over the last few years. As much as I don't want to be stuck playing URI forever, what we've experienced the last 3 years is unquestionably better than anything we would have seen in the current crummy G3 (to me, AAC and MWC remain a different story).

I know I've been over the top for years.

Time has proven JMU has made the right moves to date, pay a football coach that keeps JMU top 10 and continue to build facilities i.e. The United Bank Center. JMU was beyond lucky and managed to get CGD twice and Dukes showed strong.

I reserve the right to go nuts if a regional G5 materializes and JMU is not part of it, that would be unforgivable *1000. [b]I will straight up lose it if there is ever a mid atlantic or south east regional G5 and JMU is not publically all over the conference.

(05-21-2018 04:07 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 03:02 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 11:44 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I hate to admit this but I think JMU has made the correct conference decisions thus far.

ODU fans complaining about CUSA has done a lot to open my eyes. I am not going to lie, I would struggle to name the teams in CUSA and I have claimed that JMU should have joined CUSA. F##k Marshall by the way...

I don't like the FCS brand but the CUSA/ current G5 brand is not better.

A regional G5 makes sense and sitting in the mid-atlantic with great facilities should reserve a seat for JMU if a regional G5 ever happens.

If JMU sits out a regional G5 move then tar and feathers come out but I think JMU would take a regional G5 offer.

I have been too hard on Jeff Bourne.

First time I've checked the boards in a while and...
...WTactualF?!?!?! Now I am truly terrified of whatever's about to happen with this North Korea meeting. Dogs and Cats living together.

But hazed, I sincerely hope you're being serious here one because as much as I've loved your passion and unwillingness to concede to the more dunderheaded pro-FCS peeps, this is where I've gotten too over the last few years. As much as I don't want to be stuck playing URI forever, what we've experienced the last 3 years is unquestionably better than anything we would have seen in the current crummy G3 (to me, AAC and MWC remain a different story).

I know I've been over the top for years.

Time has proven JMU has made the right moves to date, pay a football coach that keeps JMU top 10 and continue to build facilities i.e. The United Bank Center. JMU was beyond lucky and managed to get CGD twice and Dukes showed strong.

I reserve the right to go nuts if a regional G5 materializes and JMU is not part of it, that would be unforgivable *1000. [b]I will straight up lose it if there is ever a mid atlantic or south east regional G5 and JMU is not publically all over the conference.

Never thought I would see this. Looks like Dukeman might be the last one on the CUSA / Sunbelt island.

I reserve the right to go nuts if a regional G5 materializes and JMU is not part of it, that would be unforgivable *1000. [b]I will straight up lose it if there is ever a mid atlantic or south east regional G5 and JMU is not publically all over the conference.
[/quote]

YES x 1 billion

(05-21-2018 11:44 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I hate to admit this but I think JMU has made the correct conference decisions thus far.

ODU fans complaining about CUSA has done a lot to open my eyes. I am not going to lie, I would struggle to name the teams in CUSA and I have claimed that JMU should have joined CUSA. F##k Marshall by the way...

I don't like the FCS brand but the CUSA/ current G5 brand is not better.

A regional G5 makes sense and sitting in the mid-atlantic with great facilities should reserve a seat for JMU if a regional G5 ever happens.

If JMU sits out a regional G5 move then tar and feathers come out but I think JMU would take a regional G5 offer.

I have been too hard on Jeff Bourne.

This is it right here, and what I for one have been saying for years.

One can “hate” fcs all they want. But the thing is, G5 isn’t any better. Just more expensive and wasteful. They are not mutually exclusive.

Once you realize that, and realize the blame for that has nothing to do with Bourne or jmu ( it’s the P5 leaving everyone else in the dusts fault), then you start to look at what we do have, and what we are doing in many areas ( football the biggest of course) , and say, “damn, this is pretty ******* fun. I’m in!”

If App, ODU, UD and Marshall want to be the core of a solid regional G5 league, I am all in on FBS.

Haze, there are several of us who saw the writing on the wall because we were willing to listen to the administration and the verify what they were saying to us through other channels. When TV money started to dry up, that was the beginning of the end for CUSA. CUSA will eventually implode. It just takes one or a group of schools firing the first shot for the dominoes to start falling.

Idaho will be back in the FCS this year. Just FYI..

(05-21-2018 09:15 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 08:38 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 07:39 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Maybe one day you will wake up and realize that regionalization is the only thing that will save the G5 schools from bankruptcy in their athletics programs. Most G5 athletics departments are hemorrhaging money right now and the change in the tax laws plus the inability to fee students is going to do further damage to their budgets.

doesn't it feel like a game of chicken with some of these G5 schools/conferences? we've heard from numerous schools how they're losing a lot of money and that the model isn't sustainable. but they're going down with that ship, dammit! it seems like no one wants to finally give in (although i guess Idaho did... right? too lazy to look that up but i thought i read they are going back to the Big Sky).

I agree. The problem is that many are going to have to sink before they realize they must do something to survive.
As much as I hate our decision, it appears that we made the right one. ODU isn't in a significantly better position. Meanwhile, we are getting far more exposure and having more success across the board.
Other schools and conferences are going to need us far more than we need them.
We are not sinking, but there are so many G5 schools that are and will continue to deny it until it's too late.

It is going to be interesting who taps that first domino. The G5 league presidents have largely taken the first like someone battling a substance abuse problem, which is acceptance. However, for the most part, that's as far as they've gone at this point unless there is a lot more strategic planning going on behind the scenes, which you'd think/hope any administration would be doing given this situation. The flood is coming. It's not even a matter of if or when. It's already started to rain.

(05-21-2018 05:19 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 11:44 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I hate to admit this but I think JMU has made the correct conference decisions thus far.

ODU fans complaining about CUSA has done a lot to open my eyes. I am not going to lie, I would struggle to name the teams in CUSA and I have claimed that JMU should have joined CUSA. F##k Marshall by the way...

I don't like the FCS brand but the CUSA/ current G5 brand is not better.

A regional G5 makes sense and sitting in the mid-atlantic with great facilities should reserve a seat for JMU if a regional G5 ever happens.

If JMU sits out a regional G5 move then tar and feathers come out but I think JMU would take a regional G5 offer.

I have been too hard on Jeff Bourne.

This is it right here, and what I for one have been saying for years.

One can “hate” fcs all they want. But the thing is, G5 isn’t any better. Just more expensive and wasteful. They are not mutually exclusive.

Once you realize that, and realize the blame for that has nothing to do with Bourne or jmu ( it’s the P5 leaving everyone else in the dusts fault), then you start to look at what we do have, and what we are doing in many areas ( football the biggest of course) , and say, “damn, this is pretty ******* fun. I’m in!”

Agree that the G5 branding and recognition is really no better. There's really only two things that make a big difference IMO. First is the payday is typically about double for playing P5 schools than what we get being an FCS team. Of course, there was talk that the P5 schools would stop playing the FCS altogether, but that hasn't really come to fruition. Maybe in the B1G, but we've got NC State in '18, UNC in '19, and WVU on the schedule for '20 (I believe this is correct) so that hasn't really come to fruition.

The other thing is, I would just love for JMU to have 85 full scholarships. Our talent level is very good now but that would put us on another level IMO. The G5 schools who we currently compete for recruits with would have no angle on JMU when it comes to recruiting.

Just wait for the next economic downturn or when the few major donors at these G5 schools realize the P5 train has left the station and their money can not secure a seat on it.

The CUSA Presidents gambled and lost believing that TV contracts would be honored even though schools were leaving and being replaced by no name programs in major TV markets. When those Presidents retire or step down, the new Presidents will make dealing with the red ink in athletic budgets a priority. The solution will be another round of realignment.

For now, JMU is not hemorrhaging money and has budgeted appropriately. That is why so many programs are at the top of the CAA. JMUs programs are adequately funded because our administration did not panic and jump at the first FBS opportunity to present itself.

One of the reasons I wanted to move up was recognition. The funny part is that we are probably getting way more recognition than we would have in CUSA (or Sun Belt or MAC). Case in point: ODU. We could easily be them right now and thank god we aren't.
We've had more ESPN coverage, news coverage (Hero sports basically had an entire season of JMU following), and we will be opening up the season on ESPNU... not too shabby. Oh yeah, we also have another title.
Our other sports aren't being hurt by being in the CAA. MBB would have been garbage regardless of where we were.
We are doing what we need to right now- proving we can win across the board and we have the fan support to back it up. We are in the driver's seat. We don't HAVE to go anywhere. Obviously we would like to if the right opportunity presents itself.
Until then, just keep doing what we are doing and continue to show support. The right opportunity will come, and when it does I know it will be the right move and put us in an even better place.