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RE: Brett McMurphy: Rest of ECU sports to join Big East after ACC raid
If ECU is planning on joining the BE full time down the road, I doubt the CAA or SoCon takes them. If that occurs, it'll probably come down to the ASun or Big South.
11-27-2012 10:12 PM
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(11-27-2012 10:07 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 09:51 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 09:34 PM)07owl Wrote:  Does ECU have to put their other sports in a conference and wait until that happens (and pay more exit fees)?

What are exit fees like in the FCS/non-football world? I am sure whatever conference we went to, would understand it isn't a long-term situation (I assume). Just a, "lets get handsy for a weekend" type deal.

Not sure.

What is the exit fees for ECU leaving CUSA? I'm guessing its 6-7 Million like UCF has to pay? And I guess you guys will be investing another couple Million to join whats left of the Big East? What is the entry fee for that? 4-5 Million?

I think I heard today $500,000.
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If I were ECU, I'd try to stay Indy in all-sports for a year and wait it out. It'll save you some entry fees for when you inevitably change conferences again.
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(11-27-2012 10:07 PM)nobledictator1278 Wrote:  Ive hear alot of people say we will park in the CAA and have heard A-10. I don't think ECU is a very attractive brand for either of them in Basketball. I have a feeling we will get SoConn, unless we somehow miraculously get all sports for Big East.

I'm very surprised ECU wasn't given an all sports invite. If one doesn't come, I can't imagine the Colonial wouldn't beg ECU to join. They need members. ECU fits the footprint. No, they haven't been competitive lately but there's no reason why they couldn't be. Funding for olympic sports is competitive with the rest of CAA.

I'm really scratching my head over the choice of Tulane versus Southern Miss who has lots of alumni in New Orleans, large numbers of fans, and good olympic sports. That one I don't get at all.
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(11-27-2012 10:30 PM)GreenMississippi Wrote:  If I were ECU, I'd try to stay Indy in all-sports for a year and wait it out. It'll save you some entry fees for when you inevitably change conferences again.

Guys......... we are going to the BE all sports..... the only reason we were announced today was bc Tulane guy broke the story and we had to rush it. I seriously doubt you see us join any other conference. We have a year and a half.
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(11-27-2012 10:36 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 10:30 PM)GreenMississippi Wrote:  If I were ECU, I'd try to stay Indy in all-sports for a year and wait it out. It'll save you some entry fees for when you inevitably change conferences again.

Guys......... we are going to the BE all sports..... the only reason we were announced today was bc Tulane guy broke the story and we had to rush it. I seriously doubt you see us join any other conference. We have a year and a half.

You were right on the money with your prediction yesterday so this makes sense.

I wish I knew which BE school the ACC was going to get... or how many. They should get UL, but they will most likely get UConn.
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(11-27-2012 09:42 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 09:34 PM)belmont Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 09:26 PM)Topcard91 Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 09:09 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  After the ACC raids the Big East, the BB schools will break away and Boise & San Diego St will probably go back to MWC


Very possible.


Then the Big East will really be the old C-USA. The new Big East will lose its name to the basketball folks. We will become something else. C-USA will still be C-USA but look mostly like the Sun Belt and some group of current FCS schools.

So exactly how will the BB schools take the BE name if they're the one's that want to leave???

I believe the basketball schools have the rights to the name "Big East."

I'm pretty sure it dates back to the original raid of CUSA and talks of a split after 5 years...but it was decided (IIRC) the name would stick with the non-FB schools.
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Anyone want to bet Terry Holland already knows where we are going? 03-idea
TH is on this chit. I bet you anything it will be the best he can do for ECU basketball. He wants desperately to see it have success before he retires. It has to be the one thing that he feels he has failed to accomplish at ECU.
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(11-27-2012 08:54 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  ESPN's Brett McMurphy: "Rest of ECU sports to join Big East after a current Big East team leaves for ACC."

Is this legit. Where did you get this from, I'd like to hear it with my own ears if it's was on a radio station.
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(11-27-2012 11:33 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 08:54 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  ESPN's Brett McMurphy: "Rest of ECU sports to join Big East after a current Big East team leaves for ACC."

Is this legit. Where did you get this from, I'd like to hear it with my own ears if it's was on a radio station.

Yes. Several posters from different school fan bases posted it after they heard it on the radio. A Syracuse poster posted it after he heard it. A Houston Cougar poster posted it and at least one other person who heard the interview posted it.
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Better hope this happen, looks like that CAA invite may not go down

http://www.abcnews4.com/story/20230084/c...on-for-caa
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(11-30-2012 03:38 PM)wh49er Wrote:  Better hope this happen, looks like that CAA invite may not go down

http://www.abcnews4.com/story/20230084/c...on-for-caa

If anything, that might strengthen ECU's chances. It would give them three teams in the eastern Carolinas.

I don't think this hurts ECU at all.
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(11-30-2012 03:42 PM)Niner National Wrote:  
(11-30-2012 03:38 PM)wh49er Wrote:  Better hope this happen, looks like that CAA invite may not go down

http://www.abcnews4.com/story/20230084/c...on-for-caa

If anything, that might strengthen ECU's chances. It would give them three teams in the eastern Carolinas.

I don't think this hurts ECU at all.



Maybe. I think they would be better off in the SoCon, baseball could continue in a pretty good league
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(11-30-2012 03:48 PM)wh49er Wrote:  
(11-30-2012 03:42 PM)Niner National Wrote:  
(11-30-2012 03:38 PM)wh49er Wrote:  Better hope this happen, looks like that CAA invite may not go down

http://www.abcnews4.com/story/20230084/c...on-for-caa

If anything, that might strengthen ECU's chances. It would give them three teams in the eastern Carolinas.

I don't think this hurts ECU at all.



Maybe. I think they would be better off in the SoCon, baseball could continue in a pretty good league

Guys, we're not going down to some small time league. We will be all sports when we join.
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(11-30-2012 03:51 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Guys, we're not going down to some small time league. We will be all sports when we join.

You may not but at some point you will have to have something for recruiting purpose whether its permanent or not.
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(11-30-2012 03:51 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(11-30-2012 03:48 PM)wh49er Wrote:  
(11-30-2012 03:42 PM)Niner National Wrote:  
(11-30-2012 03:38 PM)wh49er Wrote:  Better hope this happen, looks like that CAA invite may not go down

http://www.abcnews4.com/story/20230084/c...on-for-caa

If anything, that might strengthen ECU's chances. It would give them three teams in the eastern Carolinas.

I don't think this hurts ECU at all.



Maybe. I think they would be better off in the SoCon, baseball could continue in a pretty good league

Guys, we're not going down to some small time league. We will be all sports when we join.

The BE bball schools will stonewall ECU for full membership at every turn. I'm not saying it is fair, but the statement VU issued is pretty clear....bball schools are now looking after their own interests.
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@McMurphyESPN: Possible, but 2014 a long way off RT @pastorjesse1397: Will Louisville to ACC have any impact on ECU getting all sports offer to Big East?
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At the risk of being attacked by certain angry ECU posters who do not want to hear other perspectives, and react with emotion rather than logic, the Pirates are not likely to get in the current Big East for basketball. If a split happens, that is a different story, but it will be a New Metro Conference or something like that.

I have reliable sources telling me that Tulane got in as a compromise when the Southern football schools tried to push ECU through for all-sports. The basketball schools threatened to dissolve the Big East, hence the vote you heard about Monday, and Memphis proposed Tulane as their travel partner. Both sides gave in.

ECU football-only was the second part of the compromise. I know ECU fans want to believe history will repeat itself but I just don't see the basketball schools caving in. They compromised on WVU, and then Virginia Tech in the past, but Villanova's statement, as well as my sources, make it seem like that time is gone.

Right now the Big East has 16 for basketball with a 9-7 split in favor of football. The basketball schools will probably not allow membership to go above 16 again. If UConn goes to the ACC, the basketball schools will likely push UMass as the replacement, mediocre football be darned. Cincinnati would be the "tipping point."

If the Bearcats leave, a war might break out over whether they get replaced by ECU, or the basketball schools decide they have finally had it. Do not attack the messenger. Legitimate people are telling me this is how they think stuff is likely to go down. A split is the best case scenario for ECU rather than the Big East.
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(11-30-2012 08:05 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  At the risk of being attacked by certain angry ECU posters who do not want to hear other perspectives, and react with emotion rather than logic, the Pirates are not likely to get in the current Big East for basketball. If a split happens, that is a different story, but it will be a New Metro Conference or something like that.

I have reliable sources telling me that Tulane got in as a compromise when the Southern football schools tried to push ECU through for all-sports. The basketball schools threatened to dissolve the Big East, hence the vote you heard about Monday, and Memphis proposed Tulane as their travel partner. Both sides gave in.

ECU football-only was the second part of the compromise. I know ECU fans want to believe history will repeat itself but I just don't see the basketball schools caving in. They compromised on WVU, and then Virginia Tech in the past, but Villanova's statement, as well as my sources, make it seem like that time is gone.

Right now the Big East has 16 for basketball with a 9-7 split in favor of football. The basketball schools will probably not allow membership to go above 16 again. If UConn goes to the ACC, the basketball schools will likely push UMass as the replacement, mediocre football be darned. Cincinnati would be the "tipping point."

If the Bearcats leave, a war might break out over whether they get replaced by ECU, or the basketball schools decide they have finally had it. Do not attack the messenger. Legitimate people are telling me this is how they think stuff is likely to go down. A split is the best case scenario for ECU rather than the Big East.


Can you explain why a split would be the best case scenario for ECU? I don't quite understand that one. If a split occurs, the "Big East" name would go with the basketball schools. The football playing schools would essentially have two options...."A:" Go to another conference or "B:" start their own conference with a new name. The latter would seem the most "unlikely" as any new conference would have no bowl affiliations to start out with and would not get an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament for 6 years. Also the new group would have to start from scratch in trying to get a TV deal started.
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(11-30-2012 08:55 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(11-30-2012 08:05 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  At the risk of being attacked by certain angry ECU posters who do not want to hear other perspectives, and react with emotion rather than logic, the Pirates are not likely to get in the current Big East for basketball. If a split happens, that is a different story, but it will be a New Metro Conference or something like that.

I have reliable sources telling me that Tulane got in as a compromise when the Southern football schools tried to push ECU through for all-sports. The basketball schools threatened to dissolve the Big East, hence the vote you heard about Monday, and Memphis proposed Tulane as their travel partner. Both sides gave in.

ECU football-only was the second part of the compromise. I know ECU fans want to believe history will repeat itself but I just don't see the basketball schools caving in. They compromised on WVU, and then Virginia Tech in the past, but Villanova's statement, as well as my sources, make it seem like that time is gone.

Right now the Big East has 16 for basketball with a 9-7 split in favor of football. The basketball schools will probably not allow membership to go above 16 again. If UConn goes to the ACC, the basketball schools will likely push UMass as the replacement, mediocre football be darned. Cincinnati would be the "tipping point."

If the Bearcats leave, a war might break out over whether they get replaced by ECU, or the basketball schools decide they have finally had it. Do not attack the messenger. Legitimate people are telling me this is how they think stuff is likely to go down. A split is the best case scenario for ECU rather than the Big East.


Can you explain why a split would be the best case scenario for ECU? I don't quite understand that one. If a split occurs, the "Big East" name would go with the basketball schools. The football playing schools would essentially have two options...."A:" Go to another conference or "B:" start their own conference with a new name. The latter would seem the most "unlikely" as any new conference would have no bowl affiliations to start out with and would not get an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament for 6 years. Also the new group would have to start from scratch in trying to get a TV deal started.

I think by "best case for ECU" he simply means being in the same all-sports league as the football schools. Personally, I think where this may be headed is a divisional set up where the football playing all-sports schools are mostly in one division and the basketball schools are in the other division. There will be some crossover play, but the Catholics will end up with a divisional schedule thats made up mostly of games with thier traditional rivals in the northeast with maybe 4 or so crossover games against teams from the other division. That might be enough to dial back the tension level and return the basketball schools to something more like the original league--with a few games against the new guys for TV. Under a senario like that, maybe ECU has an easier time getting in. Divisions are north/south and designed to keep the basketball schools together.
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