(11-27-2012 04:51 PM)Inigo Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 12:50 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  You're getting the same treatment as Boise State and San Diego State but you're not on the west coast, you're smack dab in the traditional footprint.

Navy is smack dab in the traditional footprint and they only got a football invite. Just wanted to point that out.

Did they GET a FB-only, or WANT FB-only?

Market. Tulane is in one. The BE has been very consistent on the market issue. VT and WVU also were FB only.

I believe it's because the west would be equal in terms of bball numbers with the addition of Tulane and if we added ECU bball to the east it would be uneven. I believe once UL and UCONN leave then ECU will get full sports membership.

(11-27-2012 04:51 PM)Inigo Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 12:50 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  You're getting the same treatment as Boise State and San Diego State but you're not on the west coast, you're smack dab in the traditional footprint.

Navy is smack dab in the traditional footprint and they only got a football invite. Just wanted to point that out.

Correction...Navy only wanted a FB only. They are perfectly happy with their other sports locations.

The Big East commissioner during our press conference basically just said the basketball schools kept us out, they wanted a large market team. What I gathered out of it, anyways.

(11-27-2012 05:23 PM)ECpirate Wrote:  I believe it's because the west would be equal in terms of bball numbers with the addition of Tulane and if we added ECU bball to the east it would be uneven. I believe once UL and UCONN leave then ECU will get full sports membership.

I hope where ever TH and Nick land us that they put in a rider on the contract that we can exit without fees if we have not actually played yet. Anything could happen between now and 2014.

(11-27-2012 05:24 PM)PirateNation Wrote:  The Big East commissioner during our press conference basically just said the basketball schools kept us out, they wanted a large market team. What I gathered out of it, anyways.

At least that is the official reason. If we "Boise Stated" it in bball, we wouldn't have this convo.

Still crappy though.

(11-27-2012 04:51 PM)Inigo Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 12:50 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  You're getting the same treatment as Boise State and San Diego State but you're not on the west coast, you're smack dab in the traditional footprint.

Navy is smack dab in the traditional footprint and they only got a football invite. Just wanted to point that out.

That's all they want

(11-27-2012 12:50 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  Not really that knowledgeable overall about ECU athletics but just in my opinion, the fact you got an football only invite is a slap in the face. You're getting the same treatment as Boise State and San Diego State but you're not on the west coast, you're smack dab in the traditional footprint. Just would like someone to explain why y'all got a FBO invite and Tulane, SMU, UCF, Houston, and Memphis got an all sports invite.

It is a legitimate question. The cold hard truth: The Big East Basketball schools still control the Big east. They don't want to have to travel to Greenville NC. New Orleans, Fine. Houston, fine., Orlando, fine....you get the point.

(11-27-2012 06:13 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  It is a legitimate question. The cold hard truth: The Big East Basketball schools still control the Big east. They don't want to have to travel to Greenville NC. New Orleans, Fine. Houston, fine., Orlando, fine....you get the point.

Thinking this over, I'm starting to wonder if this was a bad move for ECU. (FB only portion)

Again, the nBE is NOT among the auto-qualifiers for a BCS berth. YOu don't know what the contract will be worth when you guys get in there.

Now you've got to pay exit fees, relocate your basketball and baseball squads (No more warm weather for your baseball players in the early months of the season.)

It was TH who wanted regional teams (ODU, Charlotte) to go with ECU.. now that's not there anymore (yeah, I know you'll get some better regional rivalries with some of the current nBE line up.. but now you'll be do travel trips to SD and Boise probably at least once a year).

You're under the thumb of the Basketball schools for getting stuff done now, to have any changes made that favor your FB team..

I'll be honest if any non-BCS conference had come to USM and said, we want you for "football Only"... I'd hope our administration would tell them to take a hike (and yes, I do mean that.).

Again, so for this to be a lateral move, I'm thinking ECU may have made a bigger mistake than making a step up.

The Big East football programs make more than 3x what the CUSA footballers do in a contract signed last decade -- no matter who is a member, based on inflation alone the conference is bound to get almost double that -- add in a much more appealing mix of markets; Boise State and a handful of 8-4 and 9-3 football programs who are highly competitive; more 7-10 NCAA tournament quality basketball programs and affiliated contract basketball games; and the Big East still has some television value to more than make a switch worth it.

It's the same thing for any program looking to the ACC for a spot, should the shoe fall and they need to fill a bunch of spots -- you won't be joining the same old ACC, but it's worth some extra bucks!

Quote: no matter who is a member, based on inflation alone the conference is bound to get almost double that

So basically the move is strictly speculative on the hope that a NY-less BE is going to be worth more now than it was then?

Someone said that one of the CBS sports reporters said the ECU move could be changed to "all-sport" if Louisville or Uconn leave... so that makes more sense.

(11-27-2012 06:30 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 06:13 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  It is a legitimate question. The cold hard truth: The Big East Basketball schools still control the Big east. They don't want to have to travel to Greenville NC. New Orleans, Fine. Houston, fine., Orlando, fine....you get the point.

Thinking this over, I'm starting to wonder if this was a bad move for ECU. (FB only portion)

Again, the nBE is NOT among the auto-qualifiers for a BCS berth. YOu don't know what the contract will be worth when you guys get in there.

Now you've got to pay exit fees, relocate your basketball and baseball squads (No more warm weather for your baseball players in the early months of the season.)

It was TH who wanted regional teams (ODU, Charlotte) to go with ECU.. now that's not there anymore (yeah, I know you'll get some better regional rivalries with some of the current nBE line up.. but now you'll be do travel trips to SD and Boise probably at least once a year).

You're under the thumb of the Basketball schools for getting stuff done now, to have any changes made that favor your FB team..

I'll be honest if any non-BCS conference had come to USM and said, we want you for "football Only"... I'd hope our administration would tell them to take a hike (and yes, I do mean that.).

Again, so for this to be a lateral move, I'm thinking ECU may have made a bigger mistake than making a step up.

Great post and I totally agree. I think they made a big mistake by accepting a football only invite. Really surprised they did that.

(11-27-2012 07:01 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 06:30 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 06:13 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  It is a legitimate question. The cold hard truth: The Big East Basketball schools still control the Big east. They don't want to have to travel to Greenville NC. New Orleans, Fine. Houston, fine., Orlando, fine....you get the point.

Thinking this over, I'm starting to wonder if this was a bad move for ECU. (FB only portion)

Again, the nBE is NOT among the auto-qualifiers for a BCS berth. YOu don't know what the contract will be worth when you guys get in there.

Now you've got to pay exit fees, relocate your basketball and baseball squads (No more warm weather for your baseball players in the early months of the season.)

It was TH who wanted regional teams (ODU, Charlotte) to go with ECU.. now that's not there anymore (yeah, I know you'll get some better regional rivalries with some of the current nBE line up.. but now you'll be do travel trips to SD and Boise probably at least once a year).

You're under the thumb of the Basketball schools for getting stuff done now, to have any changes made that favor your FB team..

I'll be honest if any non-BCS conference had come to USM and said, we want you for "football Only"... I'd hope our administration would tell them to take a hike (and yes, I do mean that.).

Again, so for this to be a lateral move, I'm thinking ECU may have made a bigger mistake than making a step up.

Great post and I totally agree. I think they made a big mistake by accepting a football only invite. Really surprised they did that.

Looking at this without emotion in an emotion filled day with this board.
A. Fans from C-USA who are pissed; Please don't be jerks on this board. Our administration chose to make this move. I am pretty sure no fans on here have that power, so please be nice.
B. I agree, with The group of 5 all getting equal access, it seems silly to make this move.
C. Even with all this conference changing, the big east will still be perceived as the tallest midget in the group of 5. That will bring more money to grow the program. Not boo-coo dollars like people are hoping for but even if it is 5 million per school, that would be significantly more than the other group of 5.
D. better perceived conference equals better recruiting.
E. If ECU goes CAA or A-10, our olympic sports will have less travel.
F. I still hope an eastern conference forms with the Big East all sports schools + Marshall, So. Miss, ODU and Charlotte. I am sure this is not over yet.

(11-27-2012 07:01 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 06:30 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 06:13 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  It is a legitimate question. The cold hard truth: The Big East Basketball schools still control the Big east. They don't want to have to travel to Greenville NC. New Orleans, Fine. Houston, fine., Orlando, fine....you get the point.

Thinking this over, I'm starting to wonder if this was a bad move for ECU. (FB only portion)

Again, the nBE is NOT among the auto-qualifiers for a BCS berth. YOu don't know what the contract will be worth when you guys get in there.

Now you've got to pay exit fees, relocate your basketball and baseball squads (No more warm weather for your baseball players in the early months of the season.)

It was TH who wanted regional teams (ODU, Charlotte) to go with ECU.. now that's not there anymore (yeah, I know you'll get some better regional rivalries with some of the current nBE line up.. but now you'll be do travel trips to SD and Boise probably at least once a year).

You're under the thumb of the Basketball schools for getting stuff done now, to have any changes made that favor your FB team..

I'll be honest if any non-BCS conference had come to USM and said, we want you for "football Only"... I'd hope our administration would tell them to take a hike (and yes, I do mean that.).

Again, so for this to be a lateral move, I'm thinking ECU may have made a bigger mistake than making a step up.

Great post and I totally agree. I think they made a big mistake by accepting a football only invite. Really surprised they did that.

The "warm weather" for Baseball is total nonsense. We just schedule lots of games at home in the Spring or further South. I see nothing to even talk about in this regard. Hint...Northern schools teams play teams in the South when it is cold.

(11-27-2012 07:01 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 06:30 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 06:13 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  It is a legitimate question. The cold hard truth: The Big East Basketball schools still control the Big east. They don't want to have to travel to Greenville NC. New Orleans, Fine. Houston, fine., Orlando, fine....you get the point.

Thinking this over, I'm starting to wonder if this was a bad move for ECU. (FB only portion)

Again, the nBE is NOT among the auto-qualifiers for a BCS berth. YOu don't know what the contract will be worth when you guys get in there.

Now you've got to pay exit fees, relocate your basketball and baseball squads (No more warm weather for your baseball players in the early months of the season.)

It was TH who wanted regional teams (ODU, Charlotte) to go with ECU.. now that's not there anymore (yeah, I know you'll get some better regional rivalries with some of the current nBE line up.. but now you'll be do travel trips to SD and Boise probably at least once a year).

You're under the thumb of the Basketball schools for getting stuff done now, to have any changes made that favor your FB team..

I'll be honest if any non-BCS conference had come to USM and said, we want you for "football Only"... I'd hope our administration would tell them to take a hike (and yes, I do mean that.).

Again, so for this to be a lateral move, I'm thinking ECU may have made a bigger mistake than making a step up.

Great post and I totally agree. I think they made a big mistake by accepting a football only invite. Really surprised they did that.

One question to all people questioning us taking the football only...What would your University have done? Also word has it when another Basketball school leaves we will be in line for all sports and we all know that is going to happen.

(11-27-2012 07:21 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The "warm weather" for Baseball is total nonsense. We just schedule lots of games at home in the Spring or further South. I see nothing to even talk about in this regard. Hint...Northern schools teams play teams in the South when it is cold.

Yeah, and a lot of them were bitching that they can't start their season as early as the Southern / Western teams, and were trying to get the NCAA to demand that the start of college baseballl seasons be postponed until the end of March.

Ohio State and L'ville (I think, i know it was a BE team, so it might have been Uconn) were the biggest whiners about this, they were complaining that southern and western teams could start practice nearly a month before they could.

Because they can only deal with an azzwhuppin in one sport at a time. 5 years from now baseball will get added and 10 years from now basketball will get added. Of course it could be Track and Field, Tennis, Swimming and then baseball and basketball 20 and 30 years down the road respectively.

Bite my tongue, but I'd almost rather stay in CUSA.

(11-27-2012 07:25 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 07:21 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The "warm weather" for Baseball is total nonsense. We just schedule lots of games at home in the Spring or further South. I see nothing to even talk about in this regard. Hint...Northern schools teams play teams in the South when it is cold.

Yeah, and a lot of them were bitching that they can't start their season as early as the Southern / Western teams, and were trying to get the NCAA to demand that the start of college baseballl seasons be postponed until the end of March.

Ohio State and L'ville (I think, i know it was a BE team, so it might have been Uconn) were the biggest whiners about this, they were complaining that southern and western teams could start practice nearly a month before they could.

I actually think there is a valid compliant with this. A level playing field should be a concern for the NCAA. Of course...the NCAA is useless.

(11-27-2012 07:24 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 07:01 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 06:30 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 06:13 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  It is a legitimate question. The cold hard truth: The Big East Basketball schools still control the Big east. They don't want to have to travel to Greenville NC. New Orleans, Fine. Houston, fine., Orlando, fine....you get the point.

Thinking this over, I'm starting to wonder if this was a bad move for ECU. (FB only portion)

Again, the nBE is NOT among the auto-qualifiers for a BCS berth. YOu don't know what the contract will be worth when you guys get in there.

Now you've got to pay exit fees, relocate your basketball and baseball squads (No more warm weather for your baseball players in the early months of the season.)

It was TH who wanted regional teams (ODU, Charlotte) to go with ECU.. now that's not there anymore (yeah, I know you'll get some better regional rivalries with some of the current nBE line up.. but now you'll be do travel trips to SD and Boise probably at least once a year).

You're under the thumb of the Basketball schools for getting stuff done now, to have any changes made that favor your FB team..

I'll be honest if any non-BCS conference had come to USM and said, we want you for "football Only"... I'd hope our administration would tell them to take a hike (and yes, I do mean that.).

Again, so for this to be a lateral move, I'm thinking ECU may have made a bigger mistake than making a step up.

Great post and I totally agree. I think they made a big mistake by accepting a football only invite. Really surprised they did that.

One question to all people questioning us taking the football only...What would your University have done? Also word has it when another Basketball school leaves we will be in line for all sports and we all know that is going to happen.

They would have done the same damn thing and I would not have blamed them one bit.