(11-27-2012 09:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

Quote:Except it is against NCAA rules and causes imbalanced conference schedules.

If we aren't going to add anything we are going to need either Pitt or Syracuse to volunteer to go back to the Big East.

actually, that wouldn't be against NCAA rules at all....

Yes it is.

NCAA Rule Makes SEC's 13 Team Schedule A Virtual Impossibility

It is impossible to have a balanced, round robin schedule with 13 (or 15, 17, etc.) teams.

The MAC has been ignoring that rule for years.

(11-27-2012 10:00 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  The MAC has been ignoring that rule for years.

The MAC can get away with it because nobody cares about the MAC.

Word from my South Carolina friends when the SEC floated the idea they were informed it wouldn't fly for them, that too many conferences opposed it because of the instability it caused. Doubt the ACC would fare much better, and it's why Notre Dame can't be considered a conference game if they start appearing on our schedules.

I agree, the best move is to stay at 13. Just count divisional records toward division championships. ND's five game deal can fill in some gaps for the shorthanded divisions. Some teams may just have to schedule an extra non-conference game during rotating years.

Or get ND to agree to one more game and throw them in a division while only counting divisional records.

Or add a potentially temporary football-only affiliate as a fix, like Navy, that you could theoretically dump at some time in the future. Affiliates are not full members. Some schools would probably gnaw off their leg to be a football-only affiliate.

(11-27-2012 10:12 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  I agree, the best move is to stay at 13. Just count divisional records toward division championships. ND's five game deal can fill in some gaps for the shorthanded divisions. Some teams may just have to schedule an extra non-conference game during rotating years.

Or get ND to agree to one more game and throw them in a division while only counting divisional records.

Or add a potentially temporary football-only affiliate as a fix, like Navy, that you could theoretically dump at some time in the future. Affiliates are not full members. Some schools would probably gnaw off their leg to be a football-only affiliate.

Navy would want to move Lax to the ACC as well and the ACC would want the sixth team for AQ status.

(11-27-2012 10:20 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Navy would want to move Lax to the ACC as well and the ACC would want the sixth team for AQ status.

Is Navy any good at LAX? The only time I've ever even heard them mentioned is as an opponent for Maryland.

(11-27-2012 10:27 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 10:20 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Navy would want to move Lax to the ACC as well and the ACC would want the sixth team for AQ status.

Is Navy any good at LAX? The only time I've ever even heard them mentioned is as an opponent for Maryland.

They're a solid team but consistently inconsistent. I don't see them contending for the championship, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the tournament.

i think some are missing the point. it's either go to 14 & stop or it's go to 16 unless the ncaa changes it's rules on divisions

(11-27-2012 07:43 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 04:54 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 04:29 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  If we don't add Louisville I hope we add Cincy... everybody else available weakens football rather than strengthens it.

YEP. I will say this, however - Maryland also weakened ACC football lately, so losing them actually strengthens the conference on average. Staying at 13 is better than adding a weakling.

Just the past two years, Three years ago they won 9 games. 10 years ago they won 10. Even with last year's debacle and this year's injury induced 4 win season they have still averaged 6 wins a year over the past 10 years. If that's weakening ACC football, then you have to also readily admit that bringing in a Syracuse team that has averaged 4.6 wins a year in the same time frame wasn't a football move, and weakens the ACC in football as well.

Well if you look at current trends, the last 3 years, since you pointed out that Maryland won 9 games back in 2010. SU won 8 the same year. But looking at this year as well as 2011 and 2010, if SU wins its bowl game, that will make an average of 7 wins a year the last 3 years for SU while Maryland will be averaging 5 wins the last 3 seasons. I also think Doug Marrone at SU will do better than Randy Edsall at Maryland going forward.

(11-27-2012 09:55 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  NCAA Rule Makes SEC's 13 Team Schedule A Virtual Impossibility

It is impossible to have a balanced, round robin schedule with 13 (or 15, 17, etc.) teams.

Balanced IS impossible, but then the ACC is NOT balanced...

One solution mentioned in the article:

Quote:Have some schools play more than eight conference games.

BINGO. Some ACC schools wanted a 9-game schedule, right? Find 4 of them and we're done. Here's how:

6-team division plays 5 games + 3 cross-overs = 8 games
(and 3-crossovers X 6 teams = 18 games from the other division)
MUST put FSU, GT, Clemson and Wake in this division, plus 2 more.

7-team division plays 6 games + 2 cross-overs = 8 games, but
2 cross-overs X 7 teams = only 14 cross from other division.
Therefore, the large division needs 4 teams to play a 9th game vs. the small division.

ADVANTAGES:
* FSU, GT, Clemson and Wake all guaranteed to remain together and to play 8 games in conference
* 4 teams (I assume Duke, UNC, NC St and UVA) would play a 9th conference game each year. If those are not the right teams, so be it, but you get the point.

Division winner is team w/ best win% regardless of #games played (i.e. 8-1 > 7-1 > 7-2).