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Love expanion rumors? Well here is another one
Quote:At a recent Board meeting at East Carolina, our quest speaker was Terry Holland, Athletic Director at East Carolina. The following is his take on Big East expanison and is based on his comments to the Board and a follow-up conversation I had with him. Please note well item #5. Here is what he said:

1. The Big East coaches and AD's wanted to add a ninth team for football scheduling purposes almost immediately after the ACC raid but the President's vetoed that idea.

2. The Big East football schools most likely will split from the rest of conference following the 2008/2009 school year. That is the last year of the present Big East agreement.

3. They will create a 12 team all sports conference with football being the primary emphasis for expansion candidates.

4. To meet the 2008/2009 deadline, the Big East will have to extend invitations to the expansion candidates sometime during the 2006/2007 to 2007/2008 school year.

5. The single most important criteria the Big East will use in deciding to whom to extend an invitation will be how well the school "travels." That is, how many people can a school take to a bowl game.

6. This is the most important criteria because the Big East has to defend its tie in with the Continential Bowl in Charlotte and the Gator Bowl.

Please note well number 5. There has been much said on this board about Nova, UMass and several MAC teams as possible expansion candidates. Number 5 would appear to eliminate most, if not all, of them.

On a personnal ECU note, item number 5 would appear to help East Carolina's chances of being an expansion candidate. With the exception of WVU, and possibly Louisville, ECU travels better then any school in the Big East. We usually take about 25,000 to a bowl game. Secondly, if East Carolina were in the Big East and were invited to the bowl game in Charlotte, we could be expected to bring 30,000 to 35,000 to the game.

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-- Found this on another board...author of the post is 66Pirate...I can't speak for how informed or uninformed he is but I found this interesting especially on the heels of RichRod's comments today


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He never said that. Still making things up Jackson. No AD would say that kind of stuff in public unless it was already a major media issue.
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Makes sense to me
Why not? It is all about protecting your turf and revenue. BE has to do the following:

1) Protect existing bowls with better traveling teams. I think WVU, UL and UCONN are good traveling teams in the BE currently. RU already sold over 5500 tickets to Insight, which is great for a bowl across the country. I know people who sat with Tire bowl people at UL/UCONN, there is no doubt those folks were cheering for UCONN and hoping to extend Huskies a bowl bid if UCONN was qualified.

2) BC getting screwed recently shows Bowls only care about the bottom line.

3) Going to 12 and a championship adds stability to a conference. I think BE can survive with 9 but it wont stop other conferences from raiding. Going to 12 would protect its turf better plus get a better chance that a team or 2 will b in the BCS top 25 annually.

Bottom line is money has to make sense when divided by 12 vs 8 or 9.

ECU does look pretty good based on the criterias.
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TopCoog Wrote:He never said that. Still making things up Jackson. No AD would say that kind of stuff in public unless it was already a major media issue.
Well there we have it boys and girls, the conference guru has spoken.

By the way, how are things working on getting those 8 or 9 wins this football season for the Coogs that you promised?
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why would somebody make up such a detailed recollection?

It would have been easy for any other ECU fan who was in attendance to say, um, no, that didn't happen.

Holland has said publicly on the radio show that was linked here that he expects changes in the Big East.

Why would RR publicly say he expects changes to happen?

Calhoun at UCONN has said it as well. Everyone has said it.

12 seems odd, but hey.... it could certainly happen. If so, it's clearly going to be UCF, ECU and Memphis. Really there are no other legitimate candidates unless Army and Navy is in the mix. that is it.
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Re: Makes sense to me
SF Husky Wrote:Why not? It is all about protecting your turf and revenue. BE has to do the following:

1) Protect existing bowls with better traveling teams. I think WVU, UL and UCONN are good traveling teams in the BE currently. RU already sold over 5500 tickets to Insight, which is great for a bowl across the country. I know people who sat with Tire bowl people at UL/UCONN, there is no doubt those folks were cheering for UCONN and hoping to extend Huskies a bowl bid if UCONN was qualified.

2) BC getting screwed recently shows Bowls only care about the bottom line.

3) Going to 12 and a championship adds stability to a conference. I think BE can survive with 9 but it wont stop other conferences from raiding. Going to 12 would protect its turf better plus get a better chance that a team or 2 will b in the BCS top 25 annually.

Bottom line is money has to make sense when divided by 12 vs 8 or 9.

ECU does look pretty good based on the criterias.

The 12 team format is absurd considering the candidates. Not only would we have to split the pot more ways but we'd also create instability with the bowls, i.e. the mac is cryptonite to most bowls as is, why would putting the BE brand on a mac school change anything. Also adding all dregs in basketball is unacceptable. Memphis and UCF are the only viable options imo. There may be nuggets of truth in this 'report' but my guess is that it has a heavy slant favoring ECU considering the source (holland), thus the '12' team model.
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Re: Makes sense to me
SF Husky Wrote:Why not? It is all about protecting your turf and revenue. BE has to do the following:

1) Protect existing bowls with better traveling teams. I think WVU, UL and UCONN are good traveling teams in the BE currently. RU already sold over 5500 tickets to Insight, which is great for a bowl across the country. I know people who sat with Tire bowl people at UL/UCONN, there is no doubt those folks were cheering for UCONN and hoping to extend Huskies a bowl bid if UCONN was qualified.

Come on SFHusky

UConn traveled 5,000 or so to Detroit for there firstever Bowl Game. Explain why UConn travels crappy to their league games. You had 600 to Syracuse in 2004 (I was there) and Cuse easily beat that by 5 fold in horrible weather in 2005 (I was there). Charlotte is any easy sell for Cuse fans--we had 6,000 Cuse fans (I was there) in 2004 at Chapel Hill. UConn should be able to sell 10,000 to Charlotte. Color me a skeptic on the travel UConn travel claim. You are not WVU class.
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So Terry says 100000 times that the BE will change does make it so.The BE Presidents have already vetoed the cusa east group.
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Nothing will happen until the next BCS review in two more years. If the Big East keeps its automatic bid like i think we will then it will look to break and add football schools. I still think the 12 team model does NOT work for the BE. Because we will be splitting revenue with more mouths and also because wether we like it or not we will probably be the weakest of the 6 bCS leagues and could NOT afford our best team to be beaten by an unranked team in a championship game.
So i still think that it will be Syracuse
Rutgers
UCONN
West Virginia
Pitt
USF
Louisville
Cinncinati
a NINTH ALL Sports team comming from Memphis,ECU and UCF
Notre Dame in all sports but football playing BE FB games and part of the Bowl deals.

So the question is 3 years from now how are those three candidates doing right now Memphis and ECU are good draws for bowl bids, UCF cant tell and we wont found out this year.
Basketball Memphis has the upper hand, UCF and ECU will have to improve in the next three years.
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Re: Makes sense to me
L-yes Wrote:The 12 team format is absurd considering the candidates. Not only would we have to split the pot more ways but we'd also create instability with the bowls, i.e. the mac is cryptonite to most bowls as is, why would putting the BE brand on a mac school change anything. Also adding all dregs in basketball is unacceptable. Memphis and UCF are the only viable options imo. There may be nuggets of truth in this 'report' but my guess is that it has a heavy slant favoring ECU considering the source (holland), thus the '12' team model.

Agreed. Quality not quantity.
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wvucrazed Wrote:why would somebody make up such a detailed recollection?

It would have been easy for any other ECU fan who was in attendance to say, um, no, that didn't happen.

Holland has said publicly on the radio show that was linked here that he expects changes in the Big East.

Why would RR publicly say he expects changes to happen?

Calhoun at UCONN has said it as well. Everyone has said it.

12 seems odd, but hey.... it could certainly happen. If so, it's clearly going to be UCF, ECU and Memphis. Really there are no other legitimate candidates unless Army and Navy is in the mix. that is it.

My guess is it would be UCF, ECU, Memphis, and Temple. However playing it smart and going to 9 or 10 depending on if Temple's good enough and if UCF continues to head in this direction would be my pick.
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Toledo, Northern Illinois, Marshall and Southern Miss are possible schools also.
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Wilkie01 Wrote:Toledo, Northern Illinois, Marshall and Southern Miss are possible schools also.

Never happen. You'll see Pitt, WVU and Syracuse go back to being independent before that happens. People are focused too much on the FB idea. When the conference expands,everything is on the table, including geography and academics. Both of these factors weigh heavily against Memphis. ECU also has the geography issue to deal with. I really believe if we go to 9 teams it will be UCF. Geographically they give us the travel partner for USF. Academically they are a tier 3 school. If we could get a school like Vanderbilt to jump then Memphis becomes a whole lot more attractive. Likewise if Clemson or GT would be interested in coming ECU looks better. Just my thoughts. But my point is I don't see any advantage to going above 10 unless you can really hit a home run with the additions. Memphis, ECU, UCF, Temple are all singles. PSU and ND are home runs.
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PSU,ND,MD and BC are home runs.ECU is a foul ball,Temple is a strike out.Memphis and UCF are walks.
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Quote:He never said that. Still making things up Jackson

http://bigeastboards.com/bbs/viewtopic.p...dccab2205f

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Spalding University
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tigersharktwo Wrote:PSU,ND,MD and BC are home runs.ECU is a foul ball,Temple is a strike out.Memphis and UCF are walks.

BC and MD are solid doubles, not home runs.
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ECU, UCF, and a Memphis make a certain amount of sense, but after that I don't know. NIU gets good Chicago coverage and has a newish basketball arena, would have to upgrad the stadium, and they'd be isolated geographically.
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FunkmasterFlash Wrote:ECU, UCF, and a Memphis make a certain amount of sense, but after that I don't know. NIU gets good Chicago coverage and has a newish basketball arena, would have to upgrad the stadium, and they'd be isolated geographically.

Check out the thread that was hot yesterday about athletic budgets. People throw out these MAC names just because their football teams made 1 or 2 bowls in a row and managed to go 7-4 against a horrid schedule.

Its so much more than that. For example, how in the world is Northern Illinois ($13 mil yearly budget) supposed to ever compete in the BE? Short answer is they won't. No MAC schools will be considered. We don't need a school dropping out after 6 months in the conference because the Athletic Dept. went broke after having to fly minor sports teams to many events/games. Just imagine how much more it would cost a MAC school when all the sudden all their teams can't simply take a 4 hour bus ride to games. In some cases it is MUCH less than that. Consider the MAC has 6 schools JUST in Ohio all within easy driving distance.

There's a reason the MAC has had essentially the same lineup for decades. It is great at serving its purpose. Its a nice league for schools that aren't at the top level in most sports who are rivals and all very close geographically, thus saving the schools money. That doesn't prevent 1 of them from having a great football team every once in a while. But let's call a spade a spade.
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