Quote:Chip Brown (@ChipBrownOB) tweeted at 1:03pm - 24 Nov 12:

I'm hearing the #BigTen may not be done with expansion yet. (https://twitter.com/ChipBrownOB/status/2...8435816450)

Too many pairs out there on the net going to the BiG, but they all include Virginia.

VA, NC
VA, GT
VA, UConn
vA, BC

(11-21-2012 10:41 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  I have heard on the news here in Raleigh tonight that the $50 million price tag for Maryland to leave will stand. Swofford said that it is non-negotiable. Sounds like it is going to court, but if the court upholds it then it will make it tough for others to leave.

Normally they would go ahead and make a deal but they probably want to buy as much time as possible. The threat of taking this to court may be enough to get the Big Ten and Maryland's big supporter to just pay it off and be done with it.

Either the ACC holds it up in court or they get the 50 mil and that may work to make some schools think twice.

(11-24-2012 05:45 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

Quote:Chip Brown (@ChipBrownOB) tweeted at 1:03pm - 24 Nov 12:

I'm hearing the #BigTen may not be done with expansion yet. (https://twitter.com/ChipBrownOB/status/2...8435816450)

Too many pairs out there on the net going to the BiG, but they all include Virginia.

VA, NC
VA, GT
VA, UConn
vA, BC

After the soul crushing of this season - and especially today - I am not sure that UVA fans are even all that excited about a move - or anything involving football. Hard to believe we're 1 season separated from 8 wins, the Peach Bowl, and a big FSU win at FSU.

The one thing that I've been thinking about and growing excited about re expansion is the possibility of breaking away from the Carolina schools in basketball. There is more parity in the Big 10 in basketball. Would be nice to be free from Carolina refs.

But I will miss the ACC tradition if it happens.

If a Carolina school is taken, I imagine 3 of the 4 would have to be accounted for in either the Big 10 or SEC. That means someone would have to go beyond 16. Once you break that number then the Big 10 and SEC still have money on the table to take.

For instance the Big 10 could go to 18 with Virginia, Duke, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech. Win, Win, Win, Win!

The SEC could go to 18 with Virginia Tech, N.C. State, Pittsburgh, Miami/or Florida State. Win, Win, Win, partial Win in South Florida market/partial win in Tier 1 & 2 content with F.S.U..

(11-24-2012 08:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-21-2012 10:41 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  I have heard on the news here in Raleigh tonight that the $50 million price tag for Maryland to leave will stand. Swofford said that it is non-negotiable. Sounds like it is going to court, but if the court upholds it then it will make it tough for others to leave.

Normally they would go ahead and make a deal but they probably want to buy as much time as possible. The threat of taking this to court may be enough to get the Big Ten and Maryland's big supporter to just pay it off and be done with it.

Either the ACC holds it up in court or they get the 50 mil and that may work to make some schools think twice.

If it's an NC court, which I have to assume it is, you can guran-damn-tee that the $50M buyout will uphold.

(11-25-2012 01:53 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(11-24-2012 08:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-21-2012 10:41 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  I have heard on the news here in Raleigh tonight that the $50 million price tag for Maryland to leave will stand. Swofford said that it is non-negotiable. Sounds like it is going to court, but if the court upholds it then it will make it tough for others to leave.

Normally they would go ahead and make a deal but they probably want to buy as much time as possible. The threat of taking this to court may be enough to get the Big Ten and Maryland's big supporter to just pay it off and be done with it.

Either the ACC holds it up in court or they get the 50 mil and that may work to make some schools think twice.

If it's an NC court, which I have to assume it is, you can guran-damn-tee that the $50M buyout will uphold.

he's right. our judges are elected officials. being known as the judge who broke up the acc makes reelection really hard in this state

(11-25-2012 02:02 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-25-2012 01:53 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(11-24-2012 08:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-21-2012 10:41 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  I have heard on the news here in Raleigh tonight that the $50 million price tag for Maryland to leave will stand. Swofford said that it is non-negotiable. Sounds like it is going to court, but if the court upholds it then it will make it tough for others to leave.

Normally they would go ahead and make a deal but they probably want to buy as much time as possible. The threat of taking this to court may be enough to get the Big Ten and Maryland's big supporter to just pay it off and be done with it.

Either the ACC holds it up in court or they get the 50 mil and that may work to make some schools think twice.

If it's an NC court, which I have to assume it is, you can guran-damn-tee that the $50M buyout will uphold.

he's right. our judges are elected officials. being known as the judge who broke up the acc makes reelection really hard in this state

It actually depends on who files first. If Maryland files first the case will likely be decided in Maryland. Go back and recheck the details on West Virginia vs The Big East. That jurisdictional call may yield some precedents.

(11-25-2012 02:02 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-25-2012 01:53 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(11-24-2012 08:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-21-2012 10:41 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  I have heard on the news here in Raleigh tonight that the $50 million price tag for Maryland to leave will stand. Swofford said that it is non-negotiable. Sounds like it is going to court, but if the court upholds it then it will make it tough for others to leave.

Normally they would go ahead and make a deal but they probably want to buy as much time as possible. The threat of taking this to court may be enough to get the Big Ten and Maryland's big supporter to just pay it off and be done with it.

Either the ACC holds it up in court or they get the 50 mil and that may work to make some schools think twice.

If it's an NC court, which I have to assume it is, you can guran-damn-tee that the $50M buyout will uphold.

he's right. our judges are elected officials. being known as the judge who broke up the acc makes reelection really hard in this state

Which is a pretty strong argument for a change of venue. The possibility of the judge having a Conflict of Interest is too great to hold the proceedings in NC. It will be argued in another state...

The ACC and MD may just work it out. And other defections may change the circumstances before we get to that point. But if there is litigation, I expect Maryland to file in a Maryland state court. Not in a federal court. So there won't be a change of venue issue in the first instance. And the Maryland state court won't have the authority to transfer on forum non conveniens grounds to NC.

However, the ACC will likely have grounds for removal to federal court if it wishes since none of the Defendants are likely to be Maryland residents (no other MD schools in the ACC and the ACC is incorporated (I assume) and has its principal place of business in North Carolina since the offices are in Greensboro -- and the cash for officials to rig games for UNC and Duke also comes from NC) :). And from there the ACC may have grounds for a change of venue. But since MD will likely name other ACC schools it's not a given that a change of venue will be granted.

Not all Defendants will be from North Carolina so the rule requiring venue in a district in which any Defendant is domiciled would not apply. The fallback provision is venue in any district in which any Defendant could have been subject to personal jurisdiction. The ACC is subject to personal jurisdiction in Maryland because it has, for 60 years, done business in Maryland. So I don't think a change of venue under federal law will work.

The Maryland federal court might transfer on forum non conveniens grounds, but that is a judgment call and a good case can be made that Maryland is as good as any place. As close for UVA. Closer for BC, Syracuse and Pitt if named, etc.

So, bottom line for non-attorneys - don't assume that this will be transferred to NC if Maryland files first. There is a good chance it won't be.

(11-25-2012 10:58 AM)BamaWahoo Wrote:  The ACC and MD may just work it out. And other defections may change the circumstances before we get to that point. But if there is litigation, I expect Maryland to file in a Maryland state court. Not in a federal court. So there won't be a change of venue issue in the first instance. And the Maryland state court won't have the authority to transfer on forum non conveniens grounds to NC.

However, the ACC will likely have grounds for removal to federal court if it wishes since none of the Defendants are likely to be Maryland residents (no other MD schools in the ACC and the ACC is incorporated (I assume) and has its principal place of business in North Carolina since the offices are in Greensboro -- and the cash for officials to rig games for UNC and Duke also comes from NC) :). And from there the ACC may have grounds for a change of venue. But since MD will likely name other ACC schools it's not a given that a change of venue will be granted.

Not all Defendants will be from North Carolina so the rule requiring venue in a district in which any Defendant is domiciled would not apply. The fallback provision is venue in any district in which any Defendant could have been subject to personal jurisdiction. The ACC is subject to personal jurisdiction in Maryland because it has, for 60 years, done business in Maryland. So I don't think a change of venue under federal law will work.

The Maryland federal court might transfer on forum non conveniens grounds, but that is a judgment call and a good case can be made that Maryland is as good as any place. As close for UVA. Closer for BC, Syracuse and Pitt if named, etc.

So, bottom line for non-attorneys - don't assume that this will be transferred to NC if Maryland files first. There is a good chance it won't be.

Md and NC are both in the 4th Cir, so if it goes federal, it could eventually end up in the same place.

Very true. Hard to imagine this going that far though. I expect a lot of bluster and then they'll work it out.

None of this matters if any, or all, of what we are hearing is true. The talk of Virginia to the Big 10 is everywhere, even down South. Here we are hearing that U.N.C. and N.C. State may be a pair and the SEC is considering that move. We are also hearing that Virginia and Georgia Tech and U.N.C. have applied to the Big 10 and that the SEC is in talks with Virginia Tech, N.C. State, F.S.U., Clemson, and U.N.C..

The discussion about exit fees is no longer germane. It ceases to be an issue when Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, N.C. State, Florida State, Clemson, and Virginia Tech all leave. Especially if Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and possibly Boston College all find new homes as well.

It remains germane if Virginia, North Carolina, N.C.State and the rest stay in the ACC. Then Maryland and its lawsuit, if it comes to that, are very relevant. If anyone else moves we'll know sooner. If not, we won't know what really happens in the ACC until after the ruling.