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Boise, SDSU, and BYU back to the MWC?
With their tail between their legs. Finally coming to their senses. BE would have to do some major back filling.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ources-say

Boise State, San Diego State and BYU have had conversations with Mountain West membership about the possibility of returning to the league, sources told ESPN.

The talks originated after last week's decision in Denver by the BCS commissioners to award an automatic access bowl berth to the highest-rated champion to the "Group of Five" conferences. That decision in essence put the Mountain West on equal footing, as far as playoff access is concerned, with the Big East starting in 2014.
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RE: Boise, SDSU, and BYU back to the MWC?
Here's the irony. After the MWC back filled with WAC schools this essentially becomes the old WAC again reuniting the same faction of schools that didn't want to be together and resulted in the formation of the MWC in the first place.

I don't know if this irony, a paradox or world's colliding (Seinfeld style)
11-19-2012 08:08 PM
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Death to the Big East!!!
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BYU is not swallowing their pride that much. That would mean they would have to accept they have lost the battle against Utah. They can certainly stick it out as an indy at least a few more years. I find it hard to believe the MWC would pay them as much as ESPN is right now.
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(11-19-2012 10:25 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  BYU is not swallowing their pride that much. That would mean they would have to accept they have lost the battle against Utah. They can certainly stick it out as an indy at least a few more years. I find it hard to believe the MWC would pay them as much as ESPN is right now.

The thing is, once this "best of the rest" BCS bid is ironed out, BYU would be better served to be in a conference. Problem is, they signed for 8 years with ESPN and ESPN isn't going to let them out of that deal.
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RE: Boise, SDSU, and BYU back to the MWC?
BYU could probably take that deal with them to a new conference. Notre Dame will be in the same position as BYU. I know ND is relevant this year, but this is the first in over 15 years they have even been respectable. They will probably end up going full into the ACC soon.
11-20-2012 12:09 AM
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(11-20-2012 12:09 AM)Usajags Wrote:  BYU could probably take that deal with them to a new conference. Notre Dame will be in the same position as BYU. I know ND is relevant this year, but this is the first in over 15 years they have even been respectable. They will probably end up going full into the ACC soon.

Notre Dame has little to no incentive to becoming a full member of the ACC, they're getting to have their cake and eat it too. Just picking up the limited ACC schedule they did is costing them traditional rivalries, going to full membership would probably cost them the rest save for maybe one.
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RE: Boise, SDSU, and BYU back to the MWC?
This is very preliminary, but let's play it out a bit:

If the Big East loses the two western schools, Boise and SDSU, and the pull on Louisville by the ACC or Big XII comes to fruition; the Big East will be down to 7 football members in 2013 [though Rutgers and Louisville will probably be around until 2014].

So the football league looks like this:

Cincinnati
Temple
USF
UCF
SMU
Houston
Memphis
Rutgers (probable Big 10 in 2014)
Louisville (probable ACC or Big XII in 2014)

Now for 2014 they are going to need to add at least one and possibly three new members (we don't like odd numbers).

Top candidates would include, ECU, Marshall and Tulsa. I don't see any school making a double-jump (i.e. Belt to Big East or new C-USA to Big East and I'm really not sure why the MAC never gets even a sniff in these proceedings). And a more likely scenario to a double-jump would be an FCS promotion of an A-10 school.

So in this back of the napkin analysis, the Big East survives, though does not thrive and the Gang of Five continues to backfill. Scenarios which include schools moving down the food chain (i.e. Big East to C-USA; C-USA to Sun Belt, etc.) will remain very, very unlikely.
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RE: Boise, SDSU, and BYU back to the MWC?
Anyone care to wager on whether the MWC would allow BYU to forego sharing the ESPN deal for eight years in return for giving up a percentage of MWC revenue?

It's not like it has never happened before. When Miami joined the Big East, for the first so many years Miami was allowed to keep 100% of bowl revenue in exchange for waiving a percentage of the league distribution.

BYU has TV value and allowing them to keep their TV for 8 years while they play four road games a year that are part of the MWC TV contract is a good deal for all involved.
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(11-20-2012 09:55 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  This is very preliminary, but let's play it out a bit:

If the Big East loses the two western schools, Boise and SDSU, and the pull on Louisville by the ACC or Big XII comes to fruition; the Big East will be down to 7 football members in 2013 [though Rutgers and Louisville will probably be around until 2014].

So the football league looks like this:

Cincinnati
Temple
USF
UCF
SMU
Houston
Memphis
Rutgers (probable Big 10 in 2014)
Louisville (probable ACC or Big XII in 2014)

Now for 2014 they are going to need to add at least one and possibly three new members (we don't like odd numbers).

Top candidates would include, ECU, Marshall and Tulsa. I don't see any school making a double-jump (i.e. Belt to Big East or new C-USA to Big East and I'm really not sure why the MAC never gets even a sniff in these proceedings). And a more likely scenario to a double-jump would be an FCS promotion of an A-10 school.

So in this back of the napkin analysis, the Big East survives, though does not thrive and the Gang of Five continues to backfill. Scenarios which include schools moving down the food chain (i.e. Big East to C-USA; C-USA to Sun Belt, etc.) will remain very, very unlikely.

Marshall isnt a candidate
11-20-2012 11:26 AM
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(11-20-2012 11:26 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Marshall isnt a candidate

Then whom?
11-20-2012 11:36 AM
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RE: Boise, SDSU, and BYU back to the MWC?
The end result of all of this realignment is we are headed to the idea of 4, maybe 5, superconferences. Something that has been on the table since the 70's. They will include around 70 teams total. The rest of us will be left out in the cold. Their theory is they make all the money, why should they share it with us. We either take the crumb they offer us, or we break away as another sub-division. Just think, DI-AA was created in 1978, and 35 years later and we are about to do it again. History repeats itself all the time, and this is a perfect example. These super conferences will form, teams and fans will get frustrated with it over time and these conferences will break apart making new smaller conferences. And it will start again.

When you have been fighting to be invited to the big party, you finally get there and the party has been moved across town. It's a moving target that the haves want us to never hit.
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(11-20-2012 11:38 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The end result of all of this realignment is we are headed to the idea of 4, maybe 5, superconferences. Something that has been on the table since the 70's. They will include around 70 teams total. The rest of us will be left out in the cold. Their theory is they make all the money, why should they share it with us. We either take the crumb they offer us, or we break away as another sub-division. Just think, DI-AA was created in 1978, and 35 years later and we are about to do it again. History repeats itself all the time, and this is a perfect example. These super conferences will form, teams and fans will get frustrated with it over time and these conferences will break apart making new smaller conferences. And it will start again.

When you have been fighting to be invited to the big party, you finally get there and the party has been moved across town. It's a moving target that the haves want us to never hit.

Its tough to finally get there and watch it disapper again. I really hope the superconferences don't happen but I bet it will. Be in the new I-AA. FCS schools will flock in droves.
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If BYU, SDU, and Boise return to the MWC it might look a little familar to about 10-12 years ago...

Old WAC (New MWC)
Hawaiʻi (Same)
UNLV (Same)
BYU (Same)
Tulsa (Could be same again?)
Fresno State (Same)
Air Force (Same)
Utah (Utah State)
Boise St. (Same)
San Diego State (Same)
Colorado State (Same)
New Mexico (Same)
Nevada (Same)
San Jose State (Same)
Wyoming (Same)
UTEP (Could be same again?)
Rice(NMSU?)
SMU (Idaho?)
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(11-20-2012 12:28 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  If BYU, SDU, and Boise return to the MWC it might look a little familar to about 10-12 years ago...

Old WAC (New MWC)
Hawaiʻi (Same)
UNLV (Same)
BYU (Same)
Tulsa (Could be same again?)
Fresno State (Same)
Air Force (Same)
Utah (Utah State)
Boise St. (Same)
San Diego State (Same)
Colorado State (Same)
New Mexico (Same)
Nevada (Same)
San Jose State (Same)
Wyoming (Same)
UTEP (Could be same again?)
Rice(NMSU?)
SMU (Idaho?)

That's a pretty good conference. I almost want the MWC to invite NMSU and Idaho out of pity.
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(11-20-2012 11:36 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(11-20-2012 11:26 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Marshall isnt a candidate

Then whom?

Not Marshall. Geographically they fit, but that's about it. Marshall might have a shot if the basketball schools ever finally break away and the football side looks for a new identity, but under their current configuration, I just can't see them giving Marshall a look.
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(11-20-2012 02:52 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(11-20-2012 11:36 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(11-20-2012 11:26 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Marshall isnt a candidate
Then whom?
Not Marshall. Geographically they fit, but that's about it. Marshall might have a shot if the basketball schools ever finally break away and the football side looks for a new identity, but under their current configuration, I just can't see them giving Marshall a look.

But just like everyone else, you're starting to run out of schools. Can you see an A-10 leap-frogging into the Big East? That appears to the next best bet as the western schools are starting to have reservations.
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