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RE: Sources: Schools may rejoin MWC
(11-20-2012 09:40 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(11-20-2012 09:30 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(11-20-2012 08:34 AM)the Dragon Wrote:  I think for us to join with our former mates, we will have to go to them. Because C-USA is crowded, we have no room to bring them back. Perhaps the basketball members of the Big East will salvage the name and the footbal members will form a new conference and bring us old C-USA members in for the reunion tour.

I agree 100%. This shakeup could be an opportunity for UAB. Is the leadership in place to see this and make it happen? Really bad time for a change in President but I guess that shouldn't be surprising.

Huh? The Big East football schools are going to be homeless. They aren't going to get kicked out of the Big East, but the basketball schools have the votes and the claim to the name (this from 3 sources in 3 different athletic departments of BE basketball schools). The football schools will keep their NCAA credits, but there will have to be a new conference formed. Or, as AB said, CUSA goes to 16 or 18 with MWC getting to 12. The two leagues balance the geography, setup the Merlliance arrangement, and move on down the road. But, in any case, we can't "go to them" if the former BE football schools have no conference to call home.

If Louisville, Cincy, USF, Houston, Memphis, UCF, and SMU came to UAB, USM, ECU, Tulsa, and Marshall and said "Hey, we're forming a new all sports league and leaving the "Big East" name with the basketball schools, and we want you to join, don't you think we would leave C-USA to join that league?

Yes, we would!

Will that happen? I don't know, but it is possible.
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RE: Sources: Schools may rejoin MWC
If Louisville, Cincy, USF, Houston, Memphis, UCF, and SMU came to UAB, USM, ECU, Tulsa, and Marshall and said "Hey, we're forming a new all sports league and leaving the "Big East" name with the basketball schools, and we want you to join, don't you think we would leave C-USA to join that league?

Yes, we would!

1. Why would 9 leave C-USA to form a new conference with 3? Especially if the big east collapses before the other four ever play in the conference.

2. A new conference won't have any name equity which would put it a disadvantage when it comes to other established "group of 5" conferences.

3. All conferences outside of the Big 5 are on equal footing in terms of access but a an established C-USA, with the additions, would have more leverage in media negotiations than a new conference.

4. Louisville is still a possibility for the Big 12, so establishing a conference with them would be shakey at best.

5. Two division as mentioned would be easy to establish within the C-USA footprint.
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(11-20-2012 11:01 AM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  If Louisville, Cincy, USF, Houston, Memphis, UCF, and SMU came to UAB, USM, ECU, Tulsa, and Marshall and said "Hey, we're forming a new all sports league and leaving the "Big East" name with the basketball schools, and we want you to join, don't you think we would leave C-USA to join that league?

Yes, we would!

1. Why would 9 leave C-USA to form a new conference with 3? Especially if the big east collapses before the other four ever play in the conference.

2. A new conference won't have any name equity which would put it a disadvantage when it comes to other established "group of 5" conferences.

3. All conferences outside of the Big 5 are on equal footing in terms of access but a an established C-USA, with the additions, would have more leverage in media negotiations than a new conference.

4. Louisville is still a possibility for the Big 12, so establishing a conference with them would be shakey at best.

5. Two division as mentioned would be easy to establish within the C-USA footprint.

1. So those schools can avoid being in a conference with FIU, UTSA, UNT, etc.

2. All of those schools have more name equity than what would be left in C-USA. The schools matter more than the conference name.

3. The winner of that league would be in better position than the winner of any other league except maybe the MWC in most years.

4. If so, we can be choosy about who we offer to replace Louisville. I'd like to see them come back to Bartow again, even for a season or two.

5. A new all-sports conference would be easy to establish because all these schools were once or currently are in C-USA.
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(11-20-2012 09:44 AM)FNblazer Wrote:  This is becoming more of a reality now, blazr. The only current Big East schools left are Louisville, Cincy, Temple, and USF. Louisville/Cincy could be a packaged deal for someone, but I don't think the ACC is desperate enough to take them yet. Temple and USF really aren't that attractive.

There is no FN reason Boise and SDSU should join this league anymore. It was really stupid for SDSU to torpedo their basketball program over this.

Except that MWC is locked into a terrible TV contract until 2019. They would have to kill the conference and start over to get a new deal.
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What should happen:

The left out five should conduct their own "Championship Playoff", and demand that the other league play their Champion to arrive at a "TRUE" national champion. If they will not, then deride them as cowards for not doing so.
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(11-20-2012 11:16 AM)the Dragon Wrote:  
(11-20-2012 11:01 AM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  1. Why would 9 leave C-USA to form a new conference with 3? Especially if the big east collapses before the other four ever play in the conference.

2. A new conference won't have any name equity which would put it a disadvantage when it comes to other established "group of 5" conferences.

3. All conferences outside of the Big 5 are on equal footing in terms of access but a an established C-USA, with the additions, would have more leverage in media negotiations than a new conference.

4. Louisville is still a possibility for the Big 12, so establishing a conference with them would be shakey at best.

5. Two division as mentioned would be easy to establish within the C-USA footprint.

1. So those schools can avoid being in a conference with FIU, UTSA, UNT, etc.

2. All of those schools have more name equity than what would be left in C-USA. The schools matter more than the conference name.

3. The winner of that league would be in better position than the winner of any other league except maybe the MWC in most years.

4. If so, we can be choosy about who we offer to replace Louisville. I'd like to see them come back to Bartow again, even for a season or two.

5. A new all-sports conference would be easy to establish because all these schools were once or currently are in C-USA.

1. 5 of the nine are already committed to be in the same conference with FIU, UTSA, UNT, etc. Which could still lose their invite.

2. If that was the case, then why did those schools jump to the perceived better BE? ND is the only school that has proven to have more name equity and leverage than being associated with a conference. Only a couple of more could possibly pull that off.

3. Same could be said for C-USA with/without the additions.

4. Who would be left to chose from? Beggars can't be choosers.

5. Part of my point. Just because you repackage a good and stamp on a new logo doesn't make it better product if the content remains the same.
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(11-20-2012 11:59 AM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  
(11-20-2012 11:16 AM)the Dragon Wrote:  
(11-20-2012 11:01 AM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  1. Why would 9 leave C-USA to form a new conference with 3? Especially if the big east collapses before the other four ever play in the conference.

2. A new conference won't have any name equity which would put it a disadvantage when it comes to other established "group of 5" conferences.

3. All conferences outside of the Big 5 are on equal footing in terms of access but a an established C-USA, with the additions, would have more leverage in media negotiations than a new conference.

4. Louisville is still a possibility for the Big 12, so establishing a conference with them would be shakey at best.

5. Two division as mentioned would be easy to establish within the C-USA footprint.

1. So those schools can avoid being in a conference with FIU, UTSA, UNT, etc.

2. All of those schools have more name equity than what would be left in C-USA. The schools matter more than the conference name.

3. The winner of that league would be in better position than the winner of any other league except maybe the MWC in most years.

4. If so, we can be choosy about who we offer to replace Louisville. I'd like to see them come back to Bartow again, even for a season or two.

5. A new all-sports conference would be easy to establish because all these schools were once or currently are in C-USA.

1. 5 of the nine are already committed to be in the same conference with FIU, UTSA, UNT, etc. Which could still lose their invite.

2. If that was the case, then why did those schools jump to the perceived better BE? ND is the only school that has proven to have more name equity and leverage than being associated with a conference. Only a couple of more could possibly pull that off.

3. Same could be said for C-USA with/without the additions.

4. Who would be left to chose from? Beggars can't be choosers.

5. Part of my point. Just because you repackage a good and stamp on a new logo doesn't make it better product if the content remains the same.

1. Joining L-ville, Memphis, Cincy, etc. would be an upgrade for all 5.
2. To gain AQ status and BCS money, which they will get for one year. Then AQ goes away. Plus, they get an improved basketball slate.
3,4, And 5. Do you think the old C-USA schools alone wouldn't be better than the old C-USA schools plus FIU, UNT, UTSA, etc.? The old C-USA schools would bring equal or more money with fewer hands in the jar, and they would bring higher quality of football and basketball top to bottom.
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What UAB better hope doesn't happen is that CUSA starts looking for teams to jettison to make roon for any returnees. I can think of a school with poor facilities, poor support and poor performance on the football field that might get consideration.
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(11-20-2012 12:15 PM)the Dragon Wrote:  
(11-20-2012 11:59 AM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  
(11-20-2012 11:16 AM)the Dragon Wrote:  
(11-20-2012 11:01 AM)UAB?IAB Wrote:  1. Why would 9 leave C-USA to form a new conference with 3? Especially if the big east collapses before the other four ever play in the conference.

2. A new conference won't have any name equity which would put it a disadvantage when it comes to other established "group of 5" conferences.

3. All conferences outside of the Big 5 are on equal footing in terms of access but a an established C-USA, with the additions, would have more leverage in media negotiations than a new conference.

4. Louisville is still a possibility for the Big 12, so establishing a conference with them would be shakey at best.

5. Two division as mentioned would be easy to establish within the C-USA footprint.

1. So those schools can avoid being in a conference with FIU, UTSA, UNT, etc.

2. All of those schools have more name equity than what would be left in C-USA. The schools matter more than the conference name.

3. The winner of that league would be in better position than the winner of any other league except maybe the MWC in most years.

4. If so, we can be choosy about who we offer to replace Louisville. I'd like to see them come back to Bartow again, even for a season or two.

5. A new all-sports conference would be easy to establish because all these schools were once or currently are in C-USA.

1. 5 of the nine are already committed to be in the same conference with FIU, UTSA, UNT, etc. Which could still lose their invite.

2. If that was the case, then why did those schools jump to the perceived better BE? ND is the only school that has proven to have more name equity and leverage than being associated with a conference. Only a couple of more could possibly pull that off.

3. Same could be said for C-USA with/without the additions.

4. Who would be left to chose from? Beggars can't be choosers.

5. Part of my point. Just because you repackage a good and stamp on a new logo doesn't make it better product if the content remains the same.

1. Joining L-ville, Memphis, Cincy, etc. would be an upgrade for all 5.
2. To gain AQ status and BCS money, which they will get for one year. Then AQ goes away. Plus, they get an improved basketball slate.
3,4, And 5. Do you think the old C-USA schools alone wouldn't be better than the old C-USA schools plus FIU, UNT, UTSA, etc.? The old C-USA schools would bring equal or more money with fewer hands in the jar, and they would bring higher quality of football and basketball top to bottom.

Agreed, keep current C-USA add Louisville, Cincinnati, South Forida, and Temple, rescind the invite to the others.
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(11-20-2012 12:28 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  What UAB better hope doesn't happen is that CUSA starts looking for teams to jettison to make roon for any returnees. I can think of a school with poor facilities, poor support and poor performance on the football field that might get consideration.

Birmingham/Hoover is still a top 50 tv market, in a football obsessed state.
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