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(11-09-2012 10:05 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I'm no architect or facility planner, but here is what I would start with.
They need to think outside the box.

Short term -
1. Tear down the old concessions/restrooms in the stadium.
2. Take out the brick walls that squeeze people on the concourses.
3. Build a concessions/restroom plaza area where you enter the stadium by 5/3 and the Lindner Center.
4. Utilize Tangemann more on game days for restrooms/concessions (to replace lost concessions on the press box side)
5. A general spruce up to make it more like a newer stadium
6. Place direction signs to Nippert entrance areas /maps all over campus.

Longer term -
1. Eventually replace the Reed Shank Pavilion with a new upper deck. Use the newer metal seating construction to minimize costs but try to make it fit in with the existing brick construction.
2. Build a new press box and try to get as much additional seating out of that side as possible, including suites.
3. If the building behind the student section has to stay or be seen, utilize it for Nippert. Put restrooms/concessions in the lower floor. If it does not have to be seen, extend the upper deck around the student section as high as it can go.
4. Be happy with a capacity of 38,000-42,500. UC won't need any more than that anyway.

This!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hardcore fans who say Nippert's current condition isn't driving away people ignore their own familiarity and passion. New, less loyal, and casual fans don't view a game day experience at Nippert the same way people on this board do.

This IS a short term - long term problem. Even if funding were arranged to improve things...you are looking at 2-3 years for changes. The Athletic Department people responsible for putting butts in seats need to wake up and quit worrying about videos, music selection, and sky divers. After last year's big PBS/Nippert controversery.....a survey went to all UCATs, Students, FB season ticket holders, etc. I'm sure Nippert must have rated highly on appeal, tradition, atmosphere, etc......and scored horribly on amenities, concessions, access, parking, etc.

Bearcatfan's short term suggestions are GREAT! Example...for the Miami game...the wait at the entrance in the NW side was so jammed up..lines were 75-100 deep....while the entrance that you can access coming up through the middle of Varisty Village/Linder Center (which has no signs directing anyone that way) was virtually unaccessed. If you care....have a guy in a Red coat w/ a megaphone directing people based on the lines. At the Pitt night game 3 years ago, the portolet situation was so bad...I saw 3 people kicked out by the cops for peeing on the tennis courts because they simply couldn't wait in the 20 deep lines. While they've done a decent job on beer access...if you want true "food" on the East side (popcorn, hot dogs, etc).......the concession line can take 40 minutes. It was easily 50 people deep for most of the game at Syracuse..despite "only" 26K being there.

Again...does the AD care? They "set up" configuration the same way they have done for years.

Other short term ideas:

- Somehow incorporate access to the concession stands and bathrooms of the Shoemaker center for people on the East Side. Stamp ticket holders hands or something. Idea #3 above is soooo easy too..just move the fences out and you could add so many fan convenience options up on that plaza.

- Sell ticket/pre-paid parking packages together, so people know where and how they will park .....before they drive down.

Like I said in another thread, you can't change the seating comfort or viewing angles of the "last" 5k seats short term....but you can creatively do a number of other things that improve the stadium experience around conveniences that many people absolutely expect if you are asking them to pay $26/ticket. All the marketing in the world to get people to buy tix and "try your product" will result in nothing if the general experience is such a hassel that they never would buy again. BK's first year brought a "new paradigm"...the actual possibility that 30K would attend games at Nippert. The Ath. Dept's response to that...now 4+ years in....has been beyond failing. They have tried nothing creative to at least address some of the short term problems. I had hope Babcock would change that. He talked about fan convenience, etc at the beginning. Maybe he only sees "improvement options" through the option of building new stuff. If so, he's not thinking strategically about the short term improvements he could make that "might" help make people willing to pay $$ to attend a full stadium event.
 
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Nippert is the next large project on the board. First, they are doing graphics to update the first five floors or so of the Lindner Building to make it a recruiting gem. It will really have the look of any state of the art Athletic facility anywhere. The TV contract will determine how the Nippert project is approached financially and how fast it construction can get underway. Stay tuned we will know more in the coming months. The idea is to address many of the needs mentioned. I expect restooms, concessions, some added seating, but mostly the press box, suites maybe club seating to be the main part of the project.
 
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Adding to the entrance directions - Nippert has no gate #'s (at least I don't think it does), and I thought it used to. I would think it would be easy to add gate #'s to entrance locations and then put them on the tickets - "enter at gate 1", for example.
 
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(11-09-2012 01:12 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  Nippert is the next large project on the board. First, they are doing graphics to update the first five floors or so of the Lindner Building to make it a recruiting gem. It will really have the look of any state of the art Athletic facility anywhere. The TV contract will determine how the Nippert project is approached financially and how fast it construction can get underway. Stay tuned we will know more in the coming months. The idea is to address many of the needs mentioned. I expect restooms, concessions, some added seating, but mostly the press box, suites maybe club seating to be the main part of the project.

Well I don't think you are Whit Babcock but it's nice to hear something from someone. Hopefully you don't get into trouble for divulging this information. 04-cheers
 
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(11-09-2012 01:03 PM)mbl95 Wrote:  Hardcore fans who say Nippert's current condition isn't driving away people ignore their own familiarity and passion. New, less loyal, and casual fans don't view a game day experience at Nippert the same way people on this board do.

This guy disagrees... and he's a Michigan fan.

http://www.stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/n...dium-s456/
 
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(11-09-2012 10:07 AM)subflea Wrote:  Just another brilliant post by kyucat. We will add it to his posts about how we should only play BCS schools in the OOC, should play on a red or black turf, and should start our own radio network.

all I know is that what UC has done with Nippert has not impacted the program that much. So keep doing the same thing and hope for change or try something different.
I know the points I have made are somewhat drastic but after years of following the program with out much progress in major opponent scheduling, increase fan support or media support maybe doing some drastic things like attempting scheduling upgrades or moving to PBS might impact the program. I see no future with the current Nippert stadium situation so a committed PBS schedule is at least worth a try.
 
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(11-09-2012 02:33 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I see no future with the current Nippert stadium situation so a committed PBS schedule is at least worth a try.

I can only say that if UC moves all their games down to PBS I'll drop my 4 tickets on the spot. I live an hour away and I love the games on campus because I get to go back to campus. That is part of the game day experience and we lost that last year.
 
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(11-09-2012 02:33 PM)kyucat Wrote:  
(11-09-2012 10:07 AM)subflea Wrote:  Just another brilliant post by kyucat. We will add it to his posts about how we should only play BCS schools in the OOC, should play on a red or black turf, and should start our own radio network.

all I know is that what UC has done with Nippert has not impacted the program that much. So keep doing the same thing and hope for change or try something different.
I know the points I have made are somewhat drastic but after years of following the program with out much progress in major opponent scheduling, increase fan support or media support maybe doing some drastic things like attempting scheduling upgrades or moving to PBS might impact the program. I see no future with the current Nippert stadium situation so a committed PBS schedule is at least worth a try.

Nippert Stadium has won Cincinnati 2 Big East championships and if Mike Thomas didn't move games to PBS a 3rd outright Big East championship last season instead of a shared title.

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(11-09-2012 01:12 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  Nippert is the next large project on the board. First, they are doing graphics to update the first five floors or so of the Lindner Building to make it a recruiting gem. It will really have the look of any state of the art Athletic facility anywhere. The TV contract will determine how the Nippert project is approached financially and how fast it construction can get underway. Stay tuned we will know more in the coming months. The idea is to address many of the needs mentioned. I expect restooms, concessions, some added seating, but mostly the press box, suites maybe club seating to be the main part of the project.

Presumably good info. As has been clear for many months, the tv contract means a ton to UC's (and the entire Big East's) future and it's very hard to estimate what it will be until it's done. We've all seen a huge range of predictions. Until then I am confident that Whit is working on a wish list and possible concepts.

On that note, there's also some good suggestions in this thread. Hopefully the posters will also take the time to write their suggestions to Whit in a thoughtful manner. I'm sure a lot of us would be interested to hear about what was sent and the response received.
 
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(11-09-2012 02:31 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(11-09-2012 01:03 PM)mbl95 Wrote:  Hardcore fans who say Nippert's current condition isn't driving away people ignore their own familiarity and passion. New, less loyal, and casual fans don't view a game day experience at Nippert the same way people on this board do.

This guy disagrees... and he's a Michigan fan.

http://www.stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/n...dium-s456/

We've brought a number of non-UC fans to games. They come away with the same impressions - hidden gem/easy access/typical seats for a college game.
 
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(11-09-2012 02:33 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I know the points I have made are somewhat drastic but after years of following the program with out much progress in major opponent scheduling, increase fan support

Major Opponent Scheduling - You place far too much value on that. It is you who needs to change your perceptions.

Increased fan support - Unless you just started following the program in 2008, I don't understand how you can believe there isn't an increase in fan support. The game against Miami was a sell out and there was 26,000 for the game against Fordham.

The fan support of the football program is far from perfect, but it is certainly improving and growing.
 
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(11-09-2012 03:13 PM)cpawfan Wrote:  
(11-09-2012 02:33 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I know the points I have made are somewhat drastic but after years of following the program with out much progress in major opponent scheduling, increase fan support

Major Opponent Scheduling - You place far too much value on that. It is you who needs to change your perceptions.

Increased fan support - Unless you just started following the program in 2008, I don't understand how you can believe there isn't an increase in fan support. The game against Miami was a sell out and there was 26,000 for the game against Fordham.

The fan support of the football program is far from perfect, but it is certainly improving and growing.

I'd be interested in seeing the attendance stats. This year with change to semesters it might skew the numbers.
Why would HCBJ be calling attention to attendance if it's growing?
 
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(11-09-2012 03:21 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  
(11-09-2012 03:13 PM)cpawfan Wrote:  
(11-09-2012 02:33 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I know the points I have made are somewhat drastic but after years of following the program with out much progress in major opponent scheduling, increase fan support

Major Opponent Scheduling - You place far too much value on that. It is you who needs to change your perceptions.

Increased fan support - Unless you just started following the program in 2008, I don't understand how you can believe there isn't an increase in fan support. The game against Miami was a sell out and there was 26,000 for the game against Fordham.

The fan support of the football program is far from perfect, but it is certainly improving and growing.

I'd be interested in seeing the attendance stats. This year with change to semesters it might skew the numbers.
Why would HCBJ be calling attention to attendance if it's growing?

He's calling attention to it because it dropped off for the Cuse game. Unfortunately for Butch, he was the primary reason for that drop off.
 
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(11-09-2012 02:31 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(11-09-2012 01:03 PM)mbl95 Wrote:  Hardcore fans who say Nippert's current condition isn't driving away people ignore their own familiarity and passion. New, less loyal, and casual fans don't view a game day experience at Nippert the same way people on this board do.

This guy disagrees... and he's a Michigan fan.

http://www.stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/n...dium-s456/

I enjoyed the review. I thought it was spot on. Even the comments were positive, albiet there were only 2.
 
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what the hell is Neppert?
 
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Colleg football is boring. Especially UC football. Bring on basketball season.
 
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They play "Colleg" football at Neppert, which is nice..
They got that going for them..
 
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(11-10-2012 06:44 AM)BearChatter v2.0 Wrote:  Colleg football is boring. Especially UC football. Bring on basketball season.

Is the last time you watched a UC football game 2005?
 
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If I find a Neppert I will be sure to close it. Count on it!

I vote Fix the Nip! Put a credible plan in front of us and I would be willing to part with a shekel or two.
 
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