(11-05-2012 08:41 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  UC 31
Temple 20.

And, for the other prediction, Brendon Kay gets his first career start.

For all you guys calling for Kay, why aren't you calling for the Offense Lineman who had three drive killing Holding calls or Kelce and all his penalties. This stuff is just as important as the qb's interception or missed passes. What about missed field goals. Nobody is calling for a new kicker. What about the Offense Coordinator who is calling these plays.

Bro, don't shoot the messenger. I was simply predicting who would start.

(11-06-2012 02:58 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 08:41 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  UC 31
Temple 20.

And, for the other prediction, Brendon Kay gets his first career start.

For all you guys calling for Kay, why aren't you calling for the Offense Lineman who had three drive killing Holding calls or Kelce and all his penalties. This stuff is just as important as the qb's interception or missed passes. What about missed field goals. Nobody is calling for a new kicker. What about the Offense Coordinator who is calling these plays.

Miliano is 8 of 10 on FG this year. The two kicks he has missed have both been over 40 yds. In each of those two games he made another kick over 40 yds. He is 34 of 35 on extra points. No complaints about the kicking game at all.
Penalties don't bother me that much. There is no correlation between the number of penalties and a team's success rate. Some of the most penalized teams every year are also some of the best teams in the country. Last year the most penalized team in the country was Southern Miss. They lost 2 games by a combined 9 points. In 2008 UC was the 12th most penalized team in the country. We went to our first BCS bowl game.

(11-07-2012 12:35 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 02:58 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 08:41 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  UC 31
Temple 20.

And, for the other prediction, Brendon Kay gets his first career start.

For all you guys calling for Kay, why aren't you calling for the Offense Lineman who had three drive killing Holding calls or Kelce and all his penalties. This stuff is just as important as the qb's interception or missed passes. What about missed field goals. Nobody is calling for a new kicker. What about the Offense Coordinator who is calling these plays.

Miliano is 8 of 10 on FG this year. The two kicks he has missed have both been over 40 yds. In each of those two games he made another kick over 40 yds. He is 34 of 35 on extra points. No complaints about the kicking game at all.
Penalties don't bother me that much. There is no correlation between the number of penalties and a team's success rate. Some of the most penalized teams every year are also some of the best teams in the country. Last year the most penalized team in the country was Southern Miss. They lost 2 games by a combined 9 points. In 2008 UC was the 12th most penalized team in the country. We went to our first BCS bowl game.

What's your point? I'm not on here to badmouth anyone, I just don't think Munchie's done enough to warrant being sat down. What is the difference if QB throws interception 45 yards down field or OL has a holding call that negates a 40 yard pass play on 3rd down and offense doesn't make first down on next play and has to punt away. Same thing but nobody calls for offense lineman to be removed.

How can you say he has not done enough to warrant being sat down? His completion percentage is 52.2%, he has 13 TD and 9 INT, his play has been a huge part of why we have 2 losses and almost had a 3rd, he has had at least one fumble in 6 of our 8 games. Those are all reasons why he should be on the bench.

(11-06-2012 02:58 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 08:41 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  UC 31
Temple 20.

And, for the other prediction, Brendon Kay gets his first career start.

For all you guys calling for Kay, why aren't you calling for the Offense Lineman who had three drive killing Holding calls or Kelce and all his penalties. This stuff is just as important as the qb's interception or missed passes. What about missed field goals. Nobody is calling for a new kicker. What about the Offense Coordinator who is calling these plays.

Do you have proof that "this stuff" is just as important? Munchie has the ball in his hands on every play. He thows 20 plus passes,,most of wich are incomplete or intercepted. Turnovers the QB makes are Game changers, not drive killers..

I looked up Munchie's Hgh School record,,LOW LOW completion percentage, yards passing piled up because his receivers frequently
broke for long plays. He Never was a skilled passer, and IMO
never will be..

It seems every penalty we have had this season has been a killer. We'd break off a huge run or pass play and then have a holding penalty that made us give up a 1st down and momentum to put us into 2nd and long, etc. Not a recipe for success for certain. The penalties have been a huge concern for me, but Munchie's turnovers and just missed ones have been killers of late, so give Kay a shot. If he struggles as well, you can go back to Munchie or heck, mix in all three QBs to keep defenses off balance.

(11-07-2012 01:06 PM)subflea Wrote:  How can you say he has not done enough to warrant being sat down? His completion percentage is 52.2%, he has 13 TD and 9 INT, his play has been a huge part of why we have 2 losses and almost had a 3rd, he has had at least one fumble in 6 of our 8 games. Those are all reasons why he should be on the bench.

Plus its not the 9 INT's. It's when/how some of those INT's took place. Pick 6's, Lobbing up a jump ball in the end zone when all you need is a field goal, overthrowing wide open receivers, throwing 95 mph fast balls when your receiver is 5 yards away from you. Those things don't show up on the stat sheet.

(11-07-2012 12:35 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 02:58 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 08:41 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  UC 31
Temple 20.

And, for the other prediction, Brendon Kay gets his first career start.

For all you guys calling for Kay, why aren't you calling for the Offense Lineman who had three drive killing Holding calls or Kelce and all his penalties. This stuff is just as important as the qb's interception or missed passes. What about missed field goals. Nobody is calling for a new kicker. What about the Offense Coordinator who is calling these plays.

Miliano is 8 of 10 on FG this year. The two kicks he has missed have both been over 40 yds. In each of those two games he made another kick over 40 yds. He is 34 of 35 on extra points. No complaints about the kicking game at all.
Penalties don't bother me that much. There is no correlation between the number of penalties and a team's success rate. Some of the most penalized teams every year are also some of the best teams in the country. Last year the most penalized team in the country was Southern Miss. They lost 2 games by a combined 9 points. In 2008 UC was the 12th most penalized team in the country. We went to our first BCS bowl game.

While it is true that the number of penalties doesn't correlate well with winning some penalties do correlate better with offensive and defensive efficiency than others and penalties become more statistically important when put into context (what kind of penalty and what kind of pace does your offense and defense operate at). Teams that run lots of plays tend to get more offensive penalties due to volume, but they run lots of plays because they are good offenses. Pace matters.

Either way, the penalties are hurting us but the turnovers are hurting us more and Munchie is responsible for many of them (though against Syracuse fumbles hurt us more than interceptions. A lot of that was luck on Munchies part given the dropped interception and the near fumble out of the endzone). I don't have any idea what Kay brings to the table but if they are going to continue running the offense they are running they need to give him a chance.

(11-07-2012 12:43 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:35 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 02:58 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 08:41 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  UC 31
Temple 20.

And, for the other prediction, Brendon Kay gets his first career start.

For all you guys calling for Kay, why aren't you calling for the Offense Lineman who had three drive killing Holding calls or Kelce and all his penalties. This stuff is just as important as the qb's interception or missed passes. What about missed field goals. Nobody is calling for a new kicker. What about the Offense Coordinator who is calling these plays.

Miliano is 8 of 10 on FG this year. The two kicks he has missed have both been over 40 yds. In each of those two games he made another kick over 40 yds. He is 34 of 35 on extra points. No complaints about the kicking game at all.
Penalties don't bother me that much. There is no correlation between the number of penalties and a team's success rate. Some of the most penalized teams every year are also some of the best teams in the country. Last year the most penalized team in the country was Southern Miss. They lost 2 games by a combined 9 points. In 2008 UC was the 12th most penalized team in the country. We went to our first BCS bowl game.

What's your point? I'm not on here to badmouth anyone, I just don't think Munchie's done enough to warrant being sat down. What is the difference if QB throws interception 45 yards down field or OL has a holding call that negates a 40 yard pass play on 3rd down and offense doesn't make first down on next play and has to punt away. Same thing but nobody calls for offense lineman to be removed.

well, watching munchie's play last season and this season, it comes down to the same thing for him....NO PASSING ACCURACY. Munchie should be moved to wide receiver or defensive backfield. His athleticism there could probably get him a look in the pros after he graduates. He's just not an accurate passer and thats a killer for a quarterback.

(11-06-2012 02:58 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 08:41 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  UC 31
Temple 20.

And, for the other prediction, Brendon Kay gets his first career start.

For all you guys calling for Kay, why aren't you calling for the Offense Lineman who had three drive killing Holding calls or Kelce and all his penalties. This stuff is just as important as the qb's interception or missed passes. What about missed field goals. Nobody is calling for a new kicker. What about the Offense Coordinator who is calling these plays.

agree but you have to admit...missing wide open receivers because he can't throw right is frustrating

(11-06-2012 02:58 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 08:41 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  UC 31
Temple 20.

And, for the other prediction, Brendon Kay gets his first career start.

For all you guys calling for Kay, why aren't you calling for the Offense Lineman who had three drive killing Holding calls or Kelce and all his penalties. This stuff is just as important as the qb's interception or missed passes. What about missed field goals. Nobody is calling for a new kicker. What about the Offense Coordinator who is calling these plays.

The Oline has not be nearly the issue that the QB has. As a unit they've been very good this year. Again, UC would be sitting at 5-3 right now because of the QB play if that Syracuse corner doesnt drop that pick 6. You cannot put a QB in there who keeps throwing the ball into coverage, while also having no accuracy whatsoever in getting the ball to his WR's when they are wide open and UC's WR's have been wide open a LOT this year. He should move to another skill position. He could be a good player elsewhere like WR or Safety, but not QB.

The O-line look like Outland Trophy finalists compared to this QB.

How many times has the QB been sacked this year? How many QB hurries? The OL has given the QB's all day back there this year. This OL has also been plowing holes for our RBs as well. That's one of the things that make this QB plays o frustrating this year as the poor play is not due to duress.

Holding calls are going to happen. It’s the nature of the beast.

(11-08-2012 12:55 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  How many times has the QB been sacked this year? How many QB hurries? The OL has given the QB's all day back there this year. This OL has also been plowing holes for our RBs as well. That's one of the things that make this QB plays o frustrating this year as the poor play is not due to duress.

Holding calls are going to happen. It’s the nature of the beast.

Yea, especially when you run the ball 53 times per game.

Bearcats probably beat Temple with any quarterback we have as long he doesn't turn the ball over. I don't believe Munchie starts but I wouldn't be shocked to see him in the game. I just we use everybody in the right spots.