Obama won for 2 reasons 1) he scared Americans about Romney..didnt provide any substance..just used class warfare and tried to polarize 2) young people feel like they are part of a radical movement with him even though they dont know what he stands for. Its ironic because these two reasons are usually how dictators are born lol

(11-12-2012 10:35 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Obama won for 2 reasons 1) he scared Americans about Romney..didnt provide any substance..just used class warfare and tried to polarize 2) young people feel like they are part of a radical movement with him even though they dont know what he stands for. Its ironic because these two reasons are usually how dictators are born lol

Ok.

(11-12-2012 11:57 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 10:35 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Obama won for 2 reasons 1) he scared Americans about Romney..didnt provide any substance..just used class warfare and tried to polarize 2) young people feel like they are part of a radical movement with him even though they dont know what he stands for. Its ironic because these two reasons are usually how dictators are born lol

Ok.

MD is

Romney ran on "I ran a business...I get business" but failed to explain why that gave him an advantage. His policy didn't add up and he offered nothing new over cutting taxes and less regulation. Same old trickled own economics of the past.

Obama won simply because he got more votes.
Sadly why he got those votes or why Romney got his votes,
had little to do with what people knew about their ability to govern.
Black, White, Republican, Democrat, etc....that's what mattered to most people.

(11-12-2012 04:18 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  Obama won simply because he got more votes.
Sadly why he got those votes or why Romney got his votes,
had little to do with what people knew about their ability to govern.
Black, White, Republican, Democrat, etc....that's what mattered to most people.

Obama couldnt run on a record though, his ENTIRE campaign was based on trying to heighten peoples frustration with the Bush era. He ran a campaign of fear. There is no historical reference is there, for someone with as bad of a record as Obama getting re-elected? He definitely is ahead with social media and the younger generation. He essentially won with the young vote, the segement of Americans that just vote on image and what is "cool" and trendy.

the more of your posts i read here and the main board the more I believe you are truly delusional. Take a step into reality...its actually pretty good.

(11-12-2012 06:48 PM)BobL Wrote:  the more of your posts i read here and the main board the more I believe you are truly delusional. Take a step into reality...its actually pretty good.

Bob his record is awful, you can't sugar coat that at all.

(11-12-2012 08:34 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 06:48 PM)BobL Wrote:  the more of your posts i read here and the main board the more I believe you are truly delusional. Take a step into reality...its actually pretty good.

Bob his record is awful, you can't sugar coat that at all.

Not from my perspective.

(11-12-2012 08:39 PM)BobL Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 08:34 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 06:48 PM)BobL Wrote:  the more of your posts i read here and the main board the more I believe you are truly delusional. Take a step into reality...its actually pretty good.

Bob his record is awful, you can't sugar coat that at all.

Not from my perspective.

What perspective is that, the Chinese perspective?

(11-12-2012 05:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:18 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  Obama won simply because he got more votes.
Sadly why he got those votes or why Romney got his votes,
had little to do with what people knew about their ability to govern.
Black, White, Republican, Democrat, etc....that's what mattered to most people.

Obama couldnt run on a record though, his ENTIRE campaign was based on trying to heighten peoples frustration with the Bush era. He ran a campaign of fear. There is no historical reference is there, for someone with as bad of a record as Obama getting re-elected? He definitely is ahead with social media and the younger generation. He essentially won with the young vote, the segement of Americans that just vote on image and what is "cool" and trendy.

I think a lot of people didn't want another Republican in office because they were worried we'd get into yet another unnecessary war that we couldn't afford.

(11-12-2012 09:36 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 05:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:18 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  Obama won simply because he got more votes.
Sadly why he got those votes or why Romney got his votes,
had little to do with what people knew about their ability to govern.
Black, White, Republican, Democrat, etc....that's what mattered to most people.

Obama couldnt run on a record though, his ENTIRE campaign was based on trying to heighten peoples frustration with the Bush era. He ran a campaign of fear. There is no historical reference is there, for someone with as bad of a record as Obama getting re-elected? He definitely is ahead with social media and the younger generation. He essentially won with the young vote, the segement of Americans that just vote on image and what is "cool" and trendy.

I think a lot of people didn't want another Republican in office because they were worried we'd get into yet another unnecessary war that we couldn't afford.

Thats just the thing, Im worried in 4 to 6 years, American force is going to be desperately needed because of the hands off approach of the past 4. I think many are starting to realize why George Bush did things alone during his presidency. Most of the international community is either spineless, afraid of terrorists, or involved economically with countries that foster terrorism. I think Obama is finding out you just cant hug a terrorist or leader of a rogue nation and everything will be OK. They dont exactly respond to that but instead see it as a sign of weakness and push the issue on us.

(11-12-2012 09:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 09:36 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 05:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:18 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  Obama won simply because he got more votes.
Sadly why he got those votes or why Romney got his votes,
had little to do with what people knew about their ability to govern.
Black, White, Republican, Democrat, etc....that's what mattered to most people.

Obama couldnt run on a record though, his ENTIRE campaign was based on trying to heighten peoples frustration with the Bush era. He ran a campaign of fear. There is no historical reference is there, for someone with as bad of a record as Obama getting re-elected? He definitely is ahead with social media and the younger generation. He essentially won with the young vote, the segement of Americans that just vote on image and what is "cool" and trendy.

I think a lot of people didn't want another Republican in office because they were worried we'd get into yet another unnecessary war that we couldn't afford.

Thats just the thing, Im worried in 4 to 6 years, American force is going to be desperately needed because of the hands off approach of the past 4. I think many are starting to realize why George Bush did things alone during his presidency. Most of the international community is either spineless, afraid of terrorists, or involved economically with countries that foster terrorism. I think Obama is finding out you just cant hug a terrorist or leader of a rogue nation and everything will be OK. They dont exactly respond to that but instead see it as a sign of weakness and push the issue on us.

Really? Obama is realizing you can't hug a terrorist? And George Bush invaded Iraq on his own because other countries are spineless? At least you're consistent. You say stupid things about sports and world events. Do you really think we needed to start another war when we hadn't caught the perpetrators of the first war? We spent trillions of dollars on the second war and thousands of American soldiers were killed and many thousands of innocent Iraqis were killed. Plus many new terrorists are being raised to hate America because they see that Americans killed their family members or bombed their communities. You think that's smarter than handling it as a coalition of countries like the way they have handled Iran?

(11-12-2012 09:42 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 09:36 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 05:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:18 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  Obama won simply because he got more votes.
Sadly why he got those votes or why Romney got his votes,
had little to do with what people knew about their ability to govern.
Black, White, Republican, Democrat, etc....that's what mattered to most people.

Obama couldnt run on a record though, his ENTIRE campaign was based on trying to heighten peoples frustration with the Bush era. He ran a campaign of fear. There is no historical reference is there, for someone with as bad of a record as Obama getting re-elected? He definitely is ahead with social media and the younger generation. He essentially won with the young vote, the segement of Americans that just vote on image and what is "cool" and trendy.

I think a lot of people didn't want another Republican in office because they were worried we'd get into yet another unnecessary war that we couldn't afford.

Thats just the thing, Im worried in 4 to 6 years, American force is going to be desperately needed because of the hands off approach of the past 4. I think many are starting to realize why George Bush did things alone during his presidency. Most of the international community is either spineless, afraid of terrorists, or involved economically with countries that foster terrorism. I think Obama is finding out you just cant hug a terrorist or leader of a rogue nation and everything will be OK. They dont exactly respond to that but instead see it as a sign of weakness and push the issue on us.

Who needs troops? If a reichwinger gets in office, we will just nuke every country we don't like.

(11-12-2012 05:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:18 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  Obama won simply because he got more votes.
Sadly why he got those votes or why Romney got his votes,
had little to do with what people knew about their ability to govern.
Black, White, Republican, Democrat, etc....that's what mattered to most people.

Obama couldnt run on a record though, his ENTIRE campaign was based on trying to heighten peoples frustration with the Bush era. He ran a campaign of fear. There is no historical reference is there, for someone with as bad of a record as Obama getting re-elected? He definitely is ahead with social media and the younger generation. He essentially won with the young vote, the segement of Americans that just vote on image and what is "cool" and trendy.

Uh...that is the point. None of them run on their record. They don't have to when you have people who vote based upon what party they are affiliated with, the color of skin, the nationality, etc...You hear people on here "spew" republican and democratic rhetoric like it was "fact" all the time.
As for historical reference, many could argue past presidents records and their re-election. People could certainly sling mud at Nixon, Clinton, Bush getting re-elected. Our political process has gone the same way of electing a prom queen. What's he wearing, does he look presidential, blah blah blah. What is the saying, "All style, No substance". And if you would have asked the american people who voted in this past election what a municipal bond is, half of them would have thought it was a new kind of glue......show the american people a shiny nickle and tell them what they want to hear. Republicans gooooood, Democrats baaaaaad, or vice versa......who knows, maybe I am just too damn old and am tired of listening to people who think one political party has a monopoly on all the answers or that there is that great of a difference between the two when it comes to their impact on my day to day life.

(11-13-2012 11:54 AM)leguptopee Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 05:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 04:18 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  Obama won simply because he got more votes.
Sadly why he got those votes or why Romney got his votes,
had little to do with what people knew about their ability to govern.
Black, White, Republican, Democrat, etc....that's what mattered to most people.

Obama couldnt run on a record though, his ENTIRE campaign was based on trying to heighten peoples frustration with the Bush era. He ran a campaign of fear. There is no historical reference is there, for someone with as bad of a record as Obama getting re-elected? He definitely is ahead with social media and the younger generation. He essentially won with the young vote, the segement of Americans that just vote on image and what is "cool" and trendy.

Uh...that is the point. None of them run on their record. They don't have to when you have people who vote based upon what party they are affiliated with, the color of skin, the nationality, etc...You hear people on here "spew" republican and democratic rhetoric like it was "fact" all the time.
As for historical reference, many could argue past presidents records and their re-election. People could certainly sling mud at Nixon, Clinton, Bush getting re-elected. Our political process has gone the same way of electing a prom queen. What's he wearing, does he look presidential, blah blah blah. What is the saying, "All style, No substance". And if you would have asked the american people who voted in this past election what a municipal bond is, half of them would have thought it was a new kind of glue......show the american people a shiny nickle and tell them what they want to hear. Republicans gooooood, Democrats baaaaaad, or vice versa......who knows, maybe I am just too damn old and am tired of listening to people who think one political party has a monopoly on all the answers or that there is that great of a difference between the two when it comes to their impact on my day to day life.

I agree with a lot of what you say (and I am old too). I think lobbyists, corporations, super pacs, Fox News, MSNBC, Internet lies/rumors that are taken as truth, etc. have ruined the political process. It's extremely difficult to weed out the truth and even harder to figure out what will happen in the future once you think you found the truth. There was a difference between the 2 candidates, but I tried to fact check on unbiased websites and some statements were outright lies, but most were half truths. With all the scare tactics by both parties and corporate media, the real issues are brushed aside by emotional issues like abortion. With all the pressure and scrutiny of each politician, the good candidates don't make the final cut. So we are left to choose by the lesser of 2 evils. And if a good politician does make it through nowadays, the political parties are playing politics thinking of the next election, how they can make the other party look bad, how they can please corporate interests, and not thinking of the good of the country.