(11-06-2012 09:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 12:19 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:58 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:50 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:49 PM)TheRock Wrote:  Per Brian Murphy:

"As expected, Big East exclusive negotiating window with ESPN has expired without a deal."

https://twitter.com/murphsturph/status/2...3660338176

Hopefully things will get interesting fast.

What do you care orange...my bad I got caught up in the moment

Given that Syracuse built the conference, I care a lot.

was ONE OF THE TEAMS who built the conference…………

Let me rephrase:
My alma mater was far and away the most important school in the conference's creation. Not only was SU a founding member, but the SU v. GU basketball rivalry is often called "the rivalry that built the conference," and SU football helped give it instant legitimacy in the 90's, when BE football started.

So yes, I have a vested interest in the long term (continued) viability of the BIG EAST.

(11-06-2012 04:43 PM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:42 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  there is a related argument, that you touched on, that we're too spread out to have rivalries.

People need to realize that we are in a different era:

Arizona State to Oregon: 1230 miles

Arizona to Washington: 1550 miles

Except ASU and AZ have 4 other schools that they can easily drive to. SDSU and BSU will not.

(11-06-2012 05:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 04:43 PM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:42 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  there is a related argument, that you touched on, that we're too spread out to have rivalries.

People need to realize that we are in a different era:

Arizona State to Oregon: 1230 miles

Arizona to Washington: 1550 miles

Except ASU and AZ have 4 other schools that they can easily drive to. SDSU and BSU will not.

What are you talking about. BSU doesn't drive to away games as it is! The only team that was close was USU in the old WAC days and they didn't bus to that game. So what does it matter if we are "flying" to La Tech, or "flying" to Houston or L'Ville? Flying is still flying.

(11-06-2012 05:18 PM)BoiseAlum Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 05:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 04:43 PM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:42 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:14 AM)TripleA Wrote:  there is a related argument, that you touched on, that we're too spread out to have rivalries.

People need to realize that we are in a different era:

Arizona State to Oregon: 1230 miles

Arizona to Washington: 1550 miles

Except ASU and AZ have 4 other schools that they can easily drive to. SDSU and BSU will not.

What are you talking about. BSU doesn't drive to away games as it is! The only team that was close was USU in the old WAC days and they didn't bus to that game. So what does it matter if we are "flying" to La Tech, or "flying" to Houston or L'Ville? Flying is still flying.

Funny! I could have sworn I saw alot BSU fans drive down to Reno and Las Vegas also?

(11-06-2012 05:22 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 05:18 PM)BoiseAlum Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 05:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 04:43 PM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:42 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  People need to realize that we are in a different era:

Arizona State to Oregon: 1230 miles

Arizona to Washington: 1550 miles

Except ASU and AZ have 4 other schools that they can easily drive to. SDSU and BSU will not.

What are you talking about. BSU doesn't drive to away games as it is! The only team that was close was USU in the old WAC days and they didn't bus to that game. So what does it matter if we are "flying" to La Tech, or "flying" to Houston or L'Ville? Flying is still flying.

Funny! I could have sworn I saw alot BSU fans drive down to Reno and Las Vegas also?

Those were the fans not the team. So your point is mute. Nothing to see here. :spam:

I think he's talking about the fans driving. He's said it before. That's why he's hung up on the MWC, and dislikes the idea of the nBE. He thinks if fans can't drive to the games, then you can't be rivals.

It never occurred to me that fans in the west drove to many road games, anyway. I would think they flew. Unless they're in the Big West, lol.

(11-06-2012 04:55 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 09:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 12:19 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:58 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:50 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Hopefully things will get interesting fast.

What do you care orange...my bad I got caught up in the moment

Given that Syracuse built the conference, I care a lot.

was ONE OF THE TEAMS who built the conference…………

Let me rephrase:
My alma mater was far and away the most important school in the conference's creation. Not only was SU a founding member, but the SU v. GU basketball rivalry is often called "the rivalry that built the conference," and SU football helped give it instant legitimacy in the 90's, when BE football started.

So yes, I have a vested interest in the long term (continued) viability of the BIG EAST.

I think you are delusional if you think SU built the conference. GTOWN help built it. St. John and Nova brought much to the conference. UCONN contributed to it much more basketball wise than CUSE and we are also a founding member.

It is stupidly arrogant to even claim such a thing but not surprising especially when it comes to definition of delusional and SU basketball.

(11-06-2012 05:32 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 05:22 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 05:18 PM)BoiseAlum Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 05:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 04:43 PM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  Arizona to Washington: 1550 miles

Except ASU and AZ have 4 other schools that they can easily drive to. SDSU and BSU will not.

What are you talking about. BSU doesn't drive to away games as it is! The only team that was close was USU in the old WAC days and they didn't bus to that game. So what does it matter if we are "flying" to La Tech, or "flying" to Houston or L'Ville? Flying is still flying.

Funny! I could have sworn I saw alot BSU fans drive down to Reno and Las Vegas also?

Those were the fans not the team. So your point is mute. Nothing to see here. :spam:

What is funny is a couple of things:

1. Boise State tried for years to get into the MWC...for a Boise State fan he should know this...the MWC wanted nothing to do with the Broncos til it was too late.

2. In the end they will spend more years in the BIG EAST & it is very likely the cream of the "Old MWC" will end up in the BIG EAST-(SDSU, AFA or BYU)...That is a "Western Division and they will make way more $$$$ in the BIG EAST than the MWC.

(11-06-2012 09:53 AM)TheRock Wrote:  Aresco: We'll take that under advisement...hit em again!!!

(11-06-2012 06:17 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 09:53 AM)TheRock Wrote:  Aresco: We'll take that under advisement...hit em again!!!

Does it get any better??

sigh...I'm gonna miss the UCONN vs Cuse pissing and moaning matches...was really fun watching you two go at it LOL

(11-06-2012 04:55 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 09:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 12:19 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:58 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:50 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Hopefully things will get interesting fast.

What do you care orange...my bad I got caught up in the moment

Given that Syracuse built the conference, I care a lot.

was ONE OF THE TEAMS who built the conference…………

Let me rephrase:
My alma mater was far and away the most important school in the conference's creation. Not only was SU a founding member, but the SU v. GU basketball rivalry is often called "the rivalry that built the conference," and SU football helped give it instant legitimacy in the 90's, when BE football started.

So yes, I have a vested interest in the long term (continued) viability of the BIG EAST.

No it's not the Hoya's 3 final four's in a row pretty much took care of that & No they didn't Miami did...wake up man, dream's over and you've got a bus to catch outta town..buh bye.

(11-06-2012 06:32 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 06:17 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 09:53 AM)TheRock Wrote:  Aresco: We'll take that under advisement...hit em again!!!

Does it get any better??

I actually like part 2 better.

(11-06-2012 09:07 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  Be careful what you wish for, you might get it. I remember the MWC being all excited when they left ESPN. The money from the Mtn Network never materialized and they were forgotten to a large extent. Now their best teams are gone and they are just another league without a lot of national exposure.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2

So, what, the MWC should have signed for half the money and not ever have been on tv? Being on ESPN for peanuts sure didn't keep the WAC together and wouldn't have kept the MWC together

(11-06-2012 05:51 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 04:55 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 09:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 12:19 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:58 PM)TheRock Wrote:   What do you care orange...my bad I got caught up in the moment

Given that Syracuse built the conference, I care a lot.

was ONE OF THE TEAMS who built the conference…………

Let me rephrase:
My alma mater was far and away the most important school in the conference's creation. Not only was SU a founding member, but the SU v. GU basketball rivalry is often called "the rivalry that built the conference," and SU football helped give it instant legitimacy in the 90's, when BE football started.

So yes, I have a vested interest in the long term (continued) viability of the BIG EAST.

I think you are delusional if you think SU built the conference. GTOWN help built it. St. John and Nova brought much to the conference. UCONN contributed to it much more basketball wise than CUSE and we are also a founding member.

It is stupidly arrogant to even claim such a thing but not surprising especially when it comes to definition of delusional and SU basketball.

For starters,

1. "SU v. GU basketball rivalry is often called "the rivalry that built the conference,"

to which you reply:
"I think you are delusional if you think SU built the conference. GTOWN help built it."

I hope you got instate tuition at UCONN.

That aside, while we are on the topic of SU v. GU,

2. "Syracuse-Georgetown is one of the great rivalries in college sports. It was the heartbeat of the old Big East, a league built on basketball..."
-sports illustrated

That rivalry gave the conference an interesting storyline right out of the gate. STJ and 'Nova fielded good teams, but neither is a national brand, and neither fields a football team. There is a reason why EVERY major basketball conference also fields BCS football. The A-10 is the closest thing that there is to an exception, and I'll take Stanford, Arizona, and UCLA over the ENTIRE A-10, and the Pac-12 is the weakest BCS bball conference.

And, speaking of football,

3. None of the schools that you mentioned even fielded football in '91

In fact,

4. 'Nova and STJ helped block Penn State's entry.

and as for UCONN (who also probs voted against PSU)

4. Not only did UCONN not even have a football team in '91, but UCONN didn't even win the conference in basketball until the 1990. So much for being a presence in the early days. Correct me if I am wrong, but UCONN didn't even make a final four until '99.

So yeah, I think that it is fair to say that SU built the conference in that 1. It was a founding member, 2. it provided the most interesting storyline and a heated rivalry with GU and STJ almost from day 1, 3. it provided basketball legitimacy early on (and even won the first BE reg. season crown, and 2nd tourney crown), 4. it supplied one of the great coaching personalities of BIG EAST basketball, 5. it added instant legitimacy in football, 6. it didn't turn Penn State away, 7. it's athletic department was the most profitable/amongst the most profitable programs in the conference for many years (and still is), and 8. it made the conference attractive for football schools (i.e. Miami).

Some other schools mirror some of those points and shared in those points, but no other school did all of that.

(11-06-2012 06:44 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 06:32 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 06:17 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 09:53 AM)TheRock Wrote:  Aresco: We'll take that under advisement...hit em again!!!

Does it get any better??

I actually like part 2 better.

Gimmie those 2hrs of Fred Thompson's life and you can keep the rest!

(11-06-2012 06:43 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 04:55 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 09:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 12:19 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:58 PM)TheRock Wrote:   What do you care orange...my bad I got caught up in the moment

Given that Syracuse built the conference, I care a lot.

was ONE OF THE TEAMS who built the conference…………

Let me rephrase:
My alma mater was far and away the most important school in the conference's creation. Not only was SU a founding member, but the SU v. GU basketball rivalry is often called "the rivalry that built the conference," and SU football helped give it instant legitimacy in the 90's, when BE football started.

So yes, I have a vested interest in the long term (continued) viability of the BIG EAST.

No it's not the Hoya's 3 final four's in a row pretty much took care of that & No they didn't Miami did...wake up man, dream's over and you've got a bus to catch outta town..buh bye.

"Syracuse-Georgetown is one of the great rivalries in college sports. It was the heartbeat of the old Big East, a league built on basketball..."
-sports illustrated

...and you don't think SU's football team had anything to do with Miami joining the BIG EAST. There is a reason why the ACC asked SU if it was interested in jumping in 1991.

(11-06-2012 06:59 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 06:43 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 04:55 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 09:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 12:19 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Given that Syracuse built the conference, I care a lot.

was ONE OF THE TEAMS who built the conference…………

Let me rephrase:
My alma mater was far and away the most important school in the conference's creation. Not only was SU a founding member, but the SU v. GU basketball rivalry is often called "the rivalry that built the conference," and SU football helped give it instant legitimacy in the 90's, when BE football started.

So yes, I have a vested interest in the long term (continued) viability of the BIG EAST.

No it's not the Hoya's 3 final four's in a row pretty much took care of that & No they didn't Miami did...wake up man, dream's over and you've got a bus to catch outta town..buh bye.

"Syracuse-Georgetown is one of the great rivalries in college sports. It was the heartbeat of the old Big East, a league built on basketball..."
-sports illustrated

...and you don't think SU's football team had anything to do with Miami joining the BIG EAST. There is a reason why the ACC asked SU if it was interested in jumping in 1991.

In the 1980's from the Big East: Gtown (3x), Nova, PC, SHU, SJU & Cuse all made final four runs. Gtown & Nova won NC's. The BE was built on Gtown dominace & depth of the league period.

Big East football has contributed about 10% to the brand of the BE to date so I could really care less about the rest of your argument.

(11-06-2012 07:08 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 06:59 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 06:43 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 04:55 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 09:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  was ONE OF THE TEAMS who built the conference…………

Let me rephrase:
My alma mater was far and away the most important school in the conference's creation. Not only was SU a founding member, but the SU v. GU basketball rivalry is often called "the rivalry that built the conference," and SU football helped give it instant legitimacy in the 90's, when BE football started.

So yes, I have a vested interest in the long term (continued) viability of the BIG EAST.

No it's not the Hoya's 3 final four's in a row pretty much took care of that & No they didn't Miami did...wake up man, dream's over and you've got a bus to catch outta town..buh bye.

"Syracuse-Georgetown is one of the great rivalries in college sports. It was the heartbeat of the old Big East, a league built on basketball..."
-sports illustrated

...and you don't think SU's football team had anything to do with Miami joining the BIG EAST. There is a reason why the ACC asked SU if it was interested in jumping in 1991.

In the 1980's from the Big East: Gtown (3x), Nova, PC, SHU, SJU & Cuse all made final four runs. Gtown & Nova won NC's. The BE was built on Gtown dominace & depth of the league period.

Big East football has contributed about 10% to the brand of the BE to date so I could really care less about the rest of your argument.

1. “The Georgetown-Syracuse tradition is more than a rivalry; it’s a tradition that has been a part of the fabric of this conference.” - Thompson III

2. If by 10%, you mean about 75-80% of the BIG EAST brand (see ANY projection for the new BE TV contract)

Either way, the irony of a RU fan arguing is thick. You wouldn't even be in the conference but for Syracuse voting to keep you in when Temple got the boot.

(11-06-2012 07:08 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 06:59 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 06:43 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 04:55 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 09:09 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  was ONE OF THE TEAMS who built the conference…………

Let me rephrase:
My alma mater was far and away the most important school in the conference's creation. Not only was SU a founding member, but the SU v. GU basketball rivalry is often called "the rivalry that built the conference," and SU football helped give it instant legitimacy in the 90's, when BE football started.

So yes, I have a vested interest in the long term (continued) viability of the BIG EAST.

No it's not the Hoya's 3 final four's in a row pretty much took care of that & No they didn't Miami did...wake up man, dream's over and you've got a bus to catch outta town..buh bye.

"Syracuse-Georgetown is one of the great rivalries in college sports. It was the heartbeat of the old Big East, a league built on basketball..."
-sports illustrated

...and you don't think SU's football team had anything to do with Miami joining the BIG EAST. There is a reason why the ACC asked SU if it was interested in jumping in 1991.

In the 1980's from the Big East: Gtown (3x), Nova, PC, SHU, SJU & Cuse all made final four runs. Gtown & Nova won NC's. The BE was built on Gtown dominace & depth of the league period.

Big East football has contributed about 10% to the brand of the BE to date so I could really care less about the rest of your argument.

Let me add some more comments since I feel dizzy reading through his crap.

- UCONN is the best basketball program in the BE history with GTOWN being second.
- SU basketball is the biggest choke job there is next to Pitt.
- Coaches with the biggest street cred in the BE are Calhoun and Thompson, not Boeheim.
- ACC wanted SU because it is a private school and ACC is full of private schools. Miami wanted SU to tag along cause they wanted private schools in the NE for their alums. That's why BCU and SU were part of the deal. Miami was pushing for that.
- SU football been horrible. If anything, it has hurt the BE more than help it last 10 years or so.
- SU facilities are outdated and crappy. Dome is a piece of crap and outdated. Its only claim to fame is # of people it can fit for basketball.
- SU athletic budget is small time. Both UCONN and UL dwarf SU athletic spending and budget.

Saying SU is the reason for the BE is just down right delusional. Good luck in the ACC though. SU will fit right in.