"Touchdown Bucs!"

I cannot wait to hear that again.

(11-27-2012 02:43 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  "Touchdown Bucs!"

I cannot wait to hear that again.

And, "that's a Bucs ..............FIRST DOWN"

Football routinely mentioned in body of statement as if it exists now ---- or, that it is part of a plan.

Caught my eye, "financial model for Athletics that will focus on programs that will generate the maximum return on investment" ............. which would be a significant departure from the current model (Stanton-Mullins Athletic Model)

Puzzling: Are they being nice to Dave, following proper protocol, or are they actually listening to him, depending on his input in that his name keeps coming up?

(11-27-2012 02:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  o 5 Year Priorities
Planning for facilities to accommodate football and other sports to comply with Title IX[/i]

5 years to maybe sketch out the possible return of football. an 85 year program squashed in a single evening by a moronic doctor has been gone for 10 years now. they kick the can down the road for another 5. if they do plan anything, it will be another 5 to build, hire, recruit,promote, etc. total is about 10 years from now for first kickoff

lets here it for 20 years with no football! do i hear 25? how bout 30? aint nothin to celebrate here. just a bunch of university can kickers

(11-27-2012 10:37 PM)One Of The Last Buc Linemen Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 02:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  o 5 Year Priorities
Planning for facilities to accommodate football and other sports to comply with Title IX[/i]

5 years to maybe sketch out the possible return of football. an 85 year program squashed in a single evening by a moronic doctor has been gone for 10 years now. they kick the can down the road for another 5. if they do plan anything, it will be another 5 to build, hire, recruit,promote, etc. total is about 10 years from now for first kickoff

lets here it for 20 years with no football! do i hear 25? how bout 30? aint nothin to celebrate here. just a bunch of university can kickers

It's alot easier to tear down something than build it. Would you rather have a mediocre on field product with a half-ass built facility that can't draw flies with manure or would you rather have a well thought out, PLANNED program with infrastructure, facilities, and a solid foundation to work with? FIU is STILL building their stadium and they've been playing over 10 years now. It's not an overnight process, even if they had unlimited access to funds (which they do not), it would still take 1-2 years of recruiting/redshirting, atleast a year, probably two to draw up plans for, raise the money and get county, city and state approval for the zoning, plans and actual construction of a stadium, and the way ETSU is, probably longer. A five year timetable is very realistic when you consider they're looking at what South Alabama, Ga. State, Coastal Carolina, UNC-Charlotte, Old Dominion, etc... have done with their additions of football.
It's finally happening, quit yer bitchin, and save your energy. They'll probably need it from you to raise awareness/money to get this done.

(11-28-2012 08:42 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 10:37 PM)One Of The Last Buc Linemen Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 02:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  o 5 Year Priorities
Planning for facilities to accommodate football and other sports to comply with Title IX[/i]

5 years to maybe sketch out the possible return of football. an 85 year program squashed in a single evening by a moronic doctor has been gone for 10 years now. they kick the can down the road for another 5. if they do plan anything, it will be another 5 to build, hire, recruit,promote, etc. total is about 10 years from now for first kickoff

lets here it for 20 years with no football! do i hear 25? how bout 30? aint nothin to celebrate here. just a bunch of university can kickers

It's alot easier to tear down something than build it. Would you rather have a mediocre on field product with a half-ass built facility that can't draw flies with manure or would you rather have a well thought out, PLANNED program with infrastructure, facilities, and a solid foundation to work with? FIU is STILL building their stadium and they've been playing over 10 years now. It's not an overnight process, even if they had unlimited access to funds (which they do not), it would still take 1-2 years of recruiting/redshirting, atleast a year, probably two to draw up plans for, raise the money and get county, city and state approval for the zoning, plans and actual construction of a stadium, and the way ETSU is, probably longer. A five year timetable is very realistic when you consider they're looking at what South Alabama, Ga. State, Coastal Carolina, UNC-Charlotte, Old Dominion, etc... have done with their additions of football.
It's finally happening, quit yer bitchin, and save your energy. They'll probably need it from you to raise awareness/money to get this done.

idiot. i guess youd be happy waitin till 10 years after your dead that bucs can play football again, just so long as its all perfect. your 5 year time table won't even kick in until after they form committees and do studies sometime in the next 5 years. ican totally see the next 2 decades roll by until they agree to get it all just right to be a football member of the bigsouth

yaknow, for the price of a baseball scoreboard, we can have a new field in the dome and have coaches and players lined up for a 2014 schedule. i practiced in the dome. i played in the dome. hell, i couldve lived in the dome. the dome is great for games and you know what, its already built. insert team here

(11-29-2012 02:07 AM)One Of The Last Buc Linemen Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 08:42 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 10:37 PM)One Of The Last Buc Linemen Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 02:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  o 5 Year Priorities
Planning for facilities to accommodate football and other sports to comply with Title IX[/i]

5 years to maybe sketch out the possible return of football. an 85 year program squashed in a single evening by a moronic doctor has been gone for 10 years now. they kick the can down the road for another 5. if they do plan anything, it will be another 5 to build, hire, recruit,promote, etc. total is about 10 years from now for first kickoff

lets here it for 20 years with no football! do i hear 25? how bout 30? aint nothin to celebrate here. just a bunch of university can kickers

It's alot easier to tear down something than build it. Would you rather have a mediocre on field product with a half-ass built facility that can't draw flies with manure or would you rather have a well thought out, PLANNED program with infrastructure, facilities, and a solid foundation to work with? FIU is STILL building their stadium and they've been playing over 10 years now. It's not an overnight process, even if they had unlimited access to funds (which they do not), it would still take 1-2 years of recruiting/redshirting, atleast a year, probably two to draw up plans for, raise the money and get county, city and state approval for the zoning, plans and actual construction of a stadium, and the way ETSU is, probably longer. A five year timetable is very realistic when you consider they're looking at what South Alabama, Ga. State, Coastal Carolina, UNC-Charlotte, Old Dominion, etc... have done with their additions of football.
It's finally happening, quit yer bitchin, and save your energy. They'll probably need it from you to raise awareness/money to get this done.

idiot. i guess youd be happy waitin till 10 years after your dead that bucs can play football again, just so long as its all perfect. your 5 year time table won't even kick in until after they form committees and do studies sometime in the next 5 years. ican totally see the next 2 decades roll by until they agree to get it all just right to be a football member of the bigsouth

yaknow, for the price of a baseball scoreboard, we can have a new field in the dome and have coaches and players lined up for a 2014 schedule. i practiced in the dome. i played in the dome. hell, i couldve lived in the dome. the dome is great for games and you know what, its already built. insert team here

Buccaneer lover and I don't agree often, but he's right on this. You can't just go to Foot Locker and buy a few jerseys and footballs and out a team back on the field. The Dome is there but it's not football ready currently. It's also an awful place to play and doesn't really send the message of a well supported team to generate new excitement. Adding football back is a multi million dollar a year investment, with millions in start up costs. You also can't strip the other budgets to get that money for a variety of reasons, including lawsuits over Title IX violations. If football is worth having, it's worth doing right. Right will not be quick. Previously having had a team has no bearing on adding it back. You have to look at it as a brand new program. No school has added football in under three years and that was after the official decision was made.

Noland is not going to repeat mistakes of the past. The dome will be a good practice facility. That's all. Half assing things like this has got us to where we are today.

I agree it needs to be done right. Either do it right or don't do it. The dome never should have been built. It hurt football and now it's hurting basketball. I know a lot of people that used to tell me they didn't go to ETSU football games because they hated the dome so much. While I partly find that to be an excuse I do also believe there is a lot of truth to it.

Everyone knows the sight-line issues for football and track. For everything else...it's great. The dome is a better basketball viewing facility for under seven-thousand crowds than Thompson Bowling ever thought about. The dome is great. It's liabilities have been way overstated. Most schools would die for one of those things. ETSU is most fortunate. When the thing is full...it's one of the most exciting venues I've ever been in. It should be used to the maximum degree until something better can be afforded and earned through high attendance.

BTW...I become a fan of "one of the last great Buc lineman" posts. Keep'em coming!

(11-29-2012 03:02 PM)Mister Jennings Wrote:  Everyone knows the sight-line issues for football and track. For everything else...it's great. The dome is a better basketball viewing facility for under seven-thousand crowds than Thompson Bowling ever thought about. The dome is great. It's liabilities have been way overstated. Most schools would die for one of those things. ETSU is most fortunate. When the thing is full...it's one of the most exciting venues I've ever been in. It should be used to the maximum degree until something better can be afforded and earned through high attendance.

BTW...I become a fan of "one of the last great Buc lineman" posts. Keep'em coming!

I too believe that the negatives of the Dome have been overstated and pounded into the ground. I have noticed college basketball arenas on TV where one cannot see the sidelines. Maybe not a good comparison with football sidelines, but no place is perfect. The sidelines issue could be fixed just as more exits could be added. These issues would be mere inconvences at other places and be fixed. Why are they so big a deal at ETSU? Maybe because they're convenient excuses? I was able to see several football games in the Dome when it opened -- back then no less than 10,000 was common. I remember a few sellouts. Put a winner on the field today and they would return to the Dome. Take some rows out down front and move them into the four ends with walkways across the backs of the end zones connecting both sides. Turn the game day experience into a rock concert for home fans and a nightmare experiencd for visitors. Build off this with a plan for an
outdoor stadium. Do we have to build a new outdoor stadium FIRST before fielding a team? We have a Dome that is not being utilized. There are 12,000 seats in there and no way to fill them. This building is being wasted while ETSU officials scratch their heads.

(11-29-2012 02:07 AM)One Of The Last Buc Linemen Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 08:42 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 10:37 PM)One Of The Last Buc Linemen Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 02:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  o 5 Year Priorities
Planning for facilities to accommodate football and other sports to comply with Title IX[/i]

5 years to maybe sketch out the possible return of football. an 85 year program squashed in a single evening by a moronic doctor has been gone for 10 years now. they kick the can down the road for another 5. if they do plan anything, it will be another 5 to build, hire, recruit,promote, etc. total is about 10 years from now for first kickoff

lets here it for 20 years with no football! do i hear 25? how bout 30? aint nothin to celebrate here. just a bunch of university can kickers

It's alot easier to tear down something than build it. Would you rather have a mediocre on field product with a half-ass built facility that can't draw flies with manure or would you rather have a well thought out, PLANNED program with infrastructure, facilities, and a solid foundation to work with? FIU is STILL building their stadium and they've been playing over 10 years now. It's not an overnight process, even if they had unlimited access to funds (which they do not), it would still take 1-2 years of recruiting/redshirting, atleast a year, probably two to draw up plans for, raise the money and get county, city and state approval for the zoning, plans and actual construction of a stadium, and the way ETSU is, probably longer. A five year timetable is very realistic when you consider they're looking at what South Alabama, Ga. State, Coastal Carolina, UNC-Charlotte, Old Dominion, etc... have done with their additions of football.
It's finally happening, quit yer bitchin, and save your energy. They'll probably need it from you to raise awareness/money to get this done.

idiot. i guess youd be happy waitin till 10 years after your dead that bucs can play football again, just so long as its all perfect. your 5 year time table won't even kick in until after they form committees and do studies sometime in the next 5 years. ican totally see the next 2 decades roll by until they agree to get it all just right to be a football member of the bigsouth

yaknow, for the price of a baseball scoreboard, we can have a new field in the dome and have coaches and players lined up for a 2014 schedule. i practiced in the dome. i played in the dome. hell, i couldve lived in the dome. the dome is great for games and you know what, its already built. insert team here

The dome is terrible for fan amenities and recruiting for games. As a practice facility, if you drop field turf in there then all of a sudden it looks really, really attractive.
Like I've said before, even if football were green lit tommorrow, it would be 2015 and closer to '16 before the first kickoff.
Don't rush it, do it right. Make sure the foundations are solid, the right leadership is in place to do it then move forward.
If you don't believe the theory of going through that process, look at Old Dominion, you may disagree with me, but they're seeded in the FCS playoffs after YEAR TWO of on field play, have an invite to move to an FBS conference and 30,000 people waiting to buy season tickets at an average of 2 tickets per person on the waiting list. In other words, there's potential for the Monarchs to have 60,000 season tickets sold if they wanted. ODU has everything ETSU wants. A badass arena, an even more badass football facility, and fan interest that I guarantee you will affect UVA/Va. Tech if the two "big boys" keep having years like they had this year. Let these committees finish, I bet a decision is made in early 2013, and if football is greenlit, we're playing a transitional schedule in 2015 with a FULL FCS scholarship schedule in 2016.

(11-29-2012 06:18 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 02:07 AM)One Of The Last Buc Linemen Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 08:42 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 10:37 PM)One Of The Last Buc Linemen Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 02:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  o 5 Year Priorities
Planning for facilities to accommodate football and other sports to comply with Title IX[/i]

5 years to maybe sketch out the possible return of football. an 85 year program squashed in a single evening by a moronic doctor has been gone for 10 years now. they kick the can down the road for another 5. if they do plan anything, it will be another 5 to build, hire, recruit,promote, etc. total is about 10 years from now for first kickoff

lets here it for 20 years with no football! do i hear 25? how bout 30? aint nothin to celebrate here. just a bunch of university can kickers

It's alot easier to tear down something than build it. Would you rather have a mediocre on field product with a half-ass built facility that can't draw flies with manure or would you rather have a well thought out, PLANNED program with infrastructure, facilities, and a solid foundation to work with? FIU is STILL building their stadium and they've been playing over 10 years now. It's not an overnight process, even if they had unlimited access to funds (which they do not), it would still take 1-2 years of recruiting/redshirting, atleast a year, probably two to draw up plans for, raise the money and get county, city and state approval for the zoning, plans and actual construction of a stadium, and the way ETSU is, probably longer. A five year timetable is very realistic when you consider they're looking at what South Alabama, Ga. State, Coastal Carolina, UNC-Charlotte, Old Dominion, etc... have done with their additions of football.
It's finally happening, quit yer bitchin, and save your energy. They'll probably need it from you to raise awareness/money to get this done.

idiot. i guess youd be happy waitin till 10 years after your dead that bucs can play football again, just so long as its all perfect. your 5 year time table won't even kick in until after they form committees and do studies sometime in the next 5 years. ican totally see the next 2 decades roll by until they agree to get it all just right to be a football member of the bigsouth

yaknow, for the price of a baseball scoreboard, we can have a new field in the dome and have coaches and players lined up for a 2014 schedule. i practiced in the dome. i played in the dome. hell, i couldve lived in the dome. the dome is great for games and you know what, its already built. insert team here

The dome is terrible for fan amenities and recruiting for games. As a practice facility, if you drop field turf in there then all of a sudden it looks really, really attractive.
Like I've said before, even if football were green lit tommorrow, it would be 2015 and closer to '16 before the first kickoff.
Don't rush it, do it right. Make sure the foundations are solid, the right leadership is in place to do it then move forward.
If you don't believe the theory of going through that process, look at Old Dominion, you may disagree with me, but they're seeded in the FCS playoffs after YEAR TWO of on field play, have an invite to move to an FBS conference and 30,000 people waiting to buy season tickets at an average of 2 tickets per person on the waiting list. In other words, there's potential for the Monarchs to have 60,000 season tickets sold if they wanted. ODU has everything ETSU wants. A badass arena, an even more badass football facility, and fan interest that I guarantee you will affect UVA/Va. Tech if the two "big boys" keep having years like they had this year. Let these committees finish, I bet a decision is made in early 2013, and if football is greenlit, we're playing a transitional schedule in 2015 with a FULL FCS scholarship schedule in 2016.

Again, I agree with you completely. The Dome is horrendous. It's like playing in an airplane hangar. It's not just the sight lines. It's a cavernous dark hold with weird lighting and awful acoustics along with just feeling old and worn down. I agree with your timeline as well. The committee will make their decision in the first half of 2013 and football would be played by 2016.

Leaving the Dome out of the equation, what could be the strategy for building both an outdoor football stadium and a new convocation in the same time frame? Or, would one be finished prior to beginning the other. If so, which one first. I favor a football stadium since basketball already has a home. But, I'm sure there are others who would prefer the reverse of this.

(11-29-2012 09:38 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Leaving the Dome out of the equation, what could be the strategy for building both an outdoor football stadium and a new convocation in the same time frame? Or, would one be finished prior to beginning the other. If so, which one first. I favor a football stadium since basketball already has a home. But, I'm sure there are others who would prefer the reverse of this.

If we can get a naming rights person then I think we can move on football pretty quickly. The convocation center can be done at the same time as it will need private funds but will also be a state project and is long overdue. The sooner "the announcement" is made the better. Yes it is going to take a while to do it right but we need the decision made so we have a goal to reach for and not merely hoping against hope that something will happen.

At the game tonight, the sweater-vest guy, whom I had previously dubbed student section cheer nazi, said that he liked my shirt (etsu football) and that he hopes it comes back real soon. Didnt expect this from one of Dave's cronies.

Are you talking about Lee Morrow? He used to be the strength and condition coach for the football program. Very much in the pro-football group.

(11-29-2012 10:59 PM)BartowZone Wrote:  At the game tonight, the sweater-vest guy, whom I had previously dubbed student section cheer nazi, said that he liked my shirt (etsu football) and that he hopes it comes back real soon. Didnt expect this from one of Dave's cronies.

He's pretty easy going if you're not cursing, using racial slurs or anything over the line.
He has a job to do, but I'd be willing to bet he's a football guy.

I believe the athletic committee is having its (final?) meeting tonight in the Millinneum Center. Does anyone know if it is open to the public and what time it is?

The presentation was video taped and the link will be up by tomorrow.