(10-24-2012 10:46 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think Aresco is the best commissioner imaginable, but I think you guys are placing too big a burden on his shoulders, and are going to unduly blame him if we don't get a contract bowl. Do you remember where we stood when Bailey was the interim commish?

I know I haven't said it but I've already accepted that whatever deal Aresco eventually accepts is the best deal anyone could have gotten. No monday morning QBing from me!

I think there are a lot of noise going around before BE signs its TV deal. I suspect most of it is ESPiN putting out rumors to minimize the value of the BE for TV. They will do everything they can to put doubts into other bidders' minds in order to secure the best deal they can for themselves. I am sure we will hear BE will raided again in the next couple of weeks. This is just typical art of war being practiced by ESPiN and its minions. Murphy is just one of their rumor mongers out there doing his thing.

I have faith Aresco will get us the best deal. We will have to be patient and wait vs. taking everything out of ESPiN as truth. Murphy been wrong on many things and he will be wrong about the bowl too.

Don't forget that Aresco is going to leverage Big East basketball for all it's worth. We will get a contract bowl. The Big XII and Pac 12 want another major bowl for their second place teams.

(10-24-2012 11:44 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think Aresco is the best commissioner imaginable, but I think you guys are placing too big a burden on his shoulders, and are going to unduly blame him if we don't get a contract bowl. Do you remember where we stood when Bailey was the interim commish?

Yeah, the expectations are so sky high that it's hard to keep it in check.

From my perspective, Aresco's #1 attribute is his experience in the TV business. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that he was hired specifically to negotiate the new TV contract above all else. So, I can understand the expectations for him to deliver on that front.

The bowl situation, though, is a different matter. The Big East was already a tough sell to bowls even with West Virginia and some access to Notre Dame, so I'm not sure what people were exactly expecting or why anyone would be surprised by today's news. The business case for the Big East to get paid well for TV has always been much more persuasive than the business case for the Big East to get a top tier bowl tie-in. Everything for this new playoff system was set into motion before Aresco assumed the office, so there's also so much that he can do (if anything at all). The only way that the Big East can convince the Pac-12 and/or Big 12 to play them in a bowl game is to offer a lot of money, so if the money isn't there for a 7th bowl, then that prospect is DOA.

If the whole "no 7th bowl" thing wasn't a bunch of bull****, then this would be an interesting theory.

(10-24-2012 11:44 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think Aresco is the best commissioner imaginable, but I think you guys are placing too big a burden on his shoulders, and are going to unduly blame him if we don't get a contract bowl. Do you remember where we stood when Bailey was the interim commish?

Yeah, the expectations are so sky high that it's hard to keep it in check.

From my perspective, Aresco's #1 attribute is his experience in the TV business. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that he was hired specifically to negotiate the new TV contract above all else. So, I can understand the expectations for him to deliver on that front.

The bowl situation, though, is a different matter. The Big East was already a tough sell to bowls even with West Virginia and some access to Notre Dame, so I'm not sure what people were exactly expecting or why anyone would be surprised by today's news. The business case for the Big East to get paid well for TV has always been much more persuasive than the business case for the Big East to get a top tier bowl tie-in. Everything for this new playoff system was set into motion before Aresco assumed the office, so there's also so much that he can do (if anything at all). The only way that the Big East can convince the Pac-12 and/or Big 12 to play them in a bowl game is to offer a lot of money, so if the money isn't there for a 7th bowl, then that prospect is DOA.

Aresco is intellegent and articulate. He knows the players and he knows the lay of the land. In short, he is as good a representative as the Big East has had in years. I think the assumption by most Big East fans is that if he cant get it done, then it's likely no one else could have accomplished it either.

The funny thing is, even at 25 million (if thats the final offer), thats far more money than the Pac-12/Big-12 team facing the non-AQ team is going to earn in a non-BCS Bowl. Assuming they were in the Cap One Bowl, which is the top paying non-BCS bowl, the Big-12 or Pac-12 team would make about 4 million. Truth is, the Cap-One Bowl isnt available for either of those teams, so the difference would be even greater. So if there is no BCS #7 Bowl, those confereces are looking at a 9 million dollar hit at a minimum.

Should the Big East not be able to pull off a BCS Bowl, I suspect virtually the same game will be played as the Big East Champions Bowl in Houston. It will be the Big East champ vs the best available Big-12/Pac-12 team.

I will say, that the Pac-12 might be exchangedf for the SEC. I know the SEC wuld be a lower pick---but it may be an allowance that has to be made to the bowl. The option of LSU or A&M when available would be very attractive to a Houston based bowl.

(10-24-2012 11:46 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:46 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think Aresco is the best commissioner imaginable, but I think you guys are placing too big a burden on his shoulders, and are going to unduly blame him if we don't get a contract bowl. Do you remember where we stood when Bailey was the interim commish?

I know I haven't said it but I've already accepted that whatever deal Aresco eventually accepts is the best deal anyone could have gotten. No monday morning QBing from me!

I think there are a lot of noise going around before BE signs its TV deal. I suspect most of it is ESPiN putting out rumors to minimize the value of the BE for TV. They will do everything they can to put doubts into other bidders' minds in order to secure the best deal they can for themselves. I am sure we will hear BE will raided again in the next couple of weeks. This is just typical art of war being practiced by ESPiN and its minions. Murphy is just one of their rumor mongers out there doing his thing.

I have faith Aresco will get us the best deal. We will have to be patient and wait vs. taking everything out of ESPiN as truth. Murphy been wrong on many things and he will be wrong about the bowl too.

Dan Wolken is reporting the exact same thing and he's about as friendly to the Big East as they come in the national media along with being an ESPN critic. That doesn't mean that he's right, either, but it must be emphasized that it's not just McMurphy reporting this, so it can't (and shouldn't) be passed off as just some type of ESPN-only hit job. This is serious and, regardless of whether people want to simply believe that it's ESPN-related, the story is 100% plausible based upon every single action taken by the 5 contract bowl conferences up to this point. Once again, that doesn't mean that it will end up being that way, but ignoring something completely plausible simply because people don't want to recognize the messenger is foolhardy.

(10-25-2012 12:24 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 11:46 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:46 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think Aresco is the best commissioner imaginable, but I think you guys are placing too big a burden on his shoulders, and are going to unduly blame him if we don't get a contract bowl. Do you remember where we stood when Bailey was the interim commish?

I know I haven't said it but I've already accepted that whatever deal Aresco eventually accepts is the best deal anyone could have gotten. No monday morning QBing from me!

I think there are a lot of noise going around before BE signs its TV deal. I suspect most of it is ESPiN putting out rumors to minimize the value of the BE for TV. They will do everything they can to put doubts into other bidders' minds in order to secure the best deal they can for themselves. I am sure we will hear BE will raided again in the next couple of weeks. This is just typical art of war being practiced by ESPiN and its minions. Murphy is just one of their rumor mongers out there doing his thing.

I have faith Aresco will get us the best deal. We will have to be patient and wait vs. taking everything out of ESPiN as truth. Murphy been wrong on many things and he will be wrong about the bowl too.

Dan Wolken is reporting the exact same thing and he's about as friendly to the Big East as they come in the national media along with being an ESPN critic. That doesn't mean that he's right, either, but it must be emphasized that it's not just McMurphy reporting this, so it can't (and shouldn't) be passed off as just some type of ESPN-only hit job. This is serious and, regardless of whether people want to simply believe that it's ESPN-related, the story is 100% plausible based upon every single action taken by the 5 contract bowl conferences up to this point. Once again, that doesn't mean that it will end up being that way, but ignoring something completely plausible simply because people don't want to recognize the messenger is foolhardy.

It's still bull****, ask around (like your Memphis source) and you'll find out why, you just won't like the answer. McMurphy and Dan used the same source, nothing complex about it.

(10-25-2012 12:24 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 11:46 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:46 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think Aresco is the best commissioner imaginable, but I think you guys are placing too big a burden on his shoulders, and are going to unduly blame him if we don't get a contract bowl. Do you remember where we stood when Bailey was the interim commish?

I know I haven't said it but I've already accepted that whatever deal Aresco eventually accepts is the best deal anyone could have gotten. No monday morning QBing from me!

I think there are a lot of noise going around before BE signs its TV deal. I suspect most of it is ESPiN putting out rumors to minimize the value of the BE for TV. They will do everything they can to put doubts into other bidders' minds in order to secure the best deal they can for themselves. I am sure we will hear BE will raided again in the next couple of weeks. This is just typical art of war being practiced by ESPiN and its minions. Murphy is just one of their rumor mongers out there doing his thing.

I have faith Aresco will get us the best deal. We will have to be patient and wait vs. taking everything out of ESPiN as truth. Murphy been wrong on many things and he will be wrong about the bowl too.

Dan Wolken is reporting the exact same thing and he's about as friendly to the Big East as they come in the national media along with being an ESPN critic. That doesn't mean that he's right, either, but it must be emphasized that it's not just McMurphy reporting this, so it can't (and shouldn't) be passed off as just some type of ESPN-only hit job. This is serious and, regardless of whether people want to simply believe that it's ESPN-related, the story is 100% plausible based upon every single action taken by the 5 contract bowl conferences up to this point. Once again, that doesn't mean that it will end up being that way, but ignoring something completely plausible simply because people don't want to recognize the messenger is foolhardy.

We got BE commissioner out there singing a different tune. After what I do know about ESPiN and its ways, I will take Aresco's words on this for now. All I do is if other conferences don't get a chance to go to a good bowl, there will be a huge lawsuit waiting for the cartel. This isn't the NFL and college sports should not be based on money only.

(10-25-2012 12:19 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Should the Big East not be able to pull off a BCS Bowl, I suspect virtually the same game will be played as the Big East Champions Bowl in Houston. It will be the Big East champ vs the best available Big-12/Pac-12 team.

While this may be true, the host city won't bid nearly as much to land this game if it is not in the semifinal rotation.

(10-24-2012 11:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:46 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think Aresco is the best commissioner imaginable, but I think you guys are placing too big a burden on his shoulders, and are going to unduly blame him if we don't get a contract bowl. Do you remember where we stood when Bailey was the interim commish?

I know I haven't said it but I've already accepted that whatever deal Aresco eventually accepts is the best deal anyone could have gotten. No monday morning QBing from me!

Okay, you and I just chased each other around and around the tree, and wound up in the same place.

(10-24-2012 11:46 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:46 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I think Aresco is the best commissioner imaginable, but I think you guys are placing too big a burden on his shoulders, and are going to unduly blame him if we don't get a contract bowl. Do you remember where we stood when Bailey was the interim commish?

I know I haven't said it but I've already accepted that whatever deal Aresco eventually accepts is the best deal anyone could have gotten. No monday morning QBing from me!

I think there are a lot of noise going around before BE signs its TV deal. I suspect most of it is ESPiN putting out rumors to minimize the value of the BE for TV. They will do everything they can to put doubts into other bidders' minds in order to secure the best deal they can for themselves. I am sure we will hear BE will raided again in the next couple of weeks. This is just typical art of war being practiced by ESPiN and its minions. Murphy is just one of their rumor mongers out there doing his thing.

I have faith Aresco will get us the best deal. We will have to be patient and wait vs. taking everything out of ESPiN as truth. Murphy been wrong on many things and he will be wrong about the bowl too.

If you check the posts on this board from last week most of us were praising Aresco for negotiating in public when reports switched from "nowhere close to a deal" to "a deal could happen soon". Even though I think that was still brilliant/necessary we should've expected a move like this from the other side given the proximity of the deadline.