I skimmed Ragin Pagin but I'm not about to go post over there after a game like that. Especially while emotions are raw.

What I see as interesting is the complaints about Broadway which I understand given the turnovers but he was 28/41 for 374 with precious little experience.

While that's a big problem what leaps out at me is this
ASU TD plays 11, 35, 5, 57, 2
UNT TD plays 28, 34, 78
Tulane TD 71

Defense is giving up some HUGE plays.

They are recovering and forcing a bunch of field goals (5 by ASU, 3 by UNT, 2 by Tulane) but those big plays are killers.

Fixing that is critical to the push for the end of the season, Broadway is just going to get better but the D has to quit giving up the long ball.

I know others that are suffering through similar breakdowns with explosive plays

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(10-24-2012 12:59 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I skimmed Ragin Pagin but I'm not about to go post over there after a game like that. Especially while emotions are raw.

What I see as interesting is the complaints about Broadway which I understand given the turnovers but he was 28/41 for 374 with precious little experience.

While that's a big problem what leaps out at me is this
ASU TD plays 11, 35, 5, 57, 2
UNT TD plays 28, 34, 78
Tulane TD 71

Defense is giving up some HUGE plays.

They are recovering and forcing a bunch of field goals (5 by ASU, 3 by UNT, 2 by Tulane) but those big plays are killers.

Fixing that is critical to the push for the end of the season, Broadway is just going to get better but the D has to quit giving up the long ball.

First, congrats on a solid win! You guys were better in every single phase of the game last night!
As for our problems, I wish that was the only problem we were experiencing. We had to replace a lot on defense this year; but the talent was supposed to be better than what we lost. Haven't seen much of that yet. In spurts, yes; but not with any consistency. Not sure how much of it is coaching (getting the guys into the right alignments), or how much is the young guys just not getting to the right spots.
Broadway has shown some good talent, and lots of grit; but he has got to improve his pocket presence. His internal clock is running slow. You are right that a lot of this is inexperience (third start), but he is not a freshman either. I can only presume that some of his reluctance to scramble has to do with the lack of depth behind him. A 5th year senior with virtually no experience, and two true freshmen that we really need to redshirt. He was getting pressure all night; not what I expected from the experience we had coming back on the O line.
I can only hope the next 10 days or so we can figure some things out, or we may not be favored in ANY remaining games, and will be watching other teams in the post season.
Good luck the rest of the way. The ASU/ULM game should be fun to watch.

Last night was the first game that ASU's offense looked like the understood just what it is that Gus wants.

(10-24-2012 08:24 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Last night was the first game that ASU's offense looked like the understood just what it is that Gus wants.

Dude, you need to go post on Ragin Pagin.. screw the haters.. You are one dude that actually knows what he is talking about.

Z

I was stunned by how poorly ULL played. At home no less. Sure, the offense has a backup QB and threw some interceptions but that doesn't excuse the defensive performance of ULL.

stAte had trouble stopping South Alabama's and Memphis' offense at home. Either stAte has fixed its offensive issues or ULL has a serious problem on defense.

(10-24-2012 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I was stunned by how poorly ULL played. At home no less. Sure, the offense has a backup QB and threw some interceptions but that doesn't excuse the defensive performance of ULL.

stAte had trouble stopping South Alabama's and Memphis' offense at home. Either stAte has fixed its offensive issues or ULL has a serious problem on defense.

all about turnovers and special teams in all 3 games. stAte finally did well in those areas last night. Did very poorly vs. USA and Memphis, but still won.

(10-24-2012 10:30 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I was stunned by how poorly ULL played. At home no less. Sure, the offense has a backup QB and threw some interceptions but that doesn't excuse the defensive performance of ULL.

stAte had trouble stopping South Alabama's and Memphis' offense at home. Either stAte has fixed its offensive issues or ULL has a serious problem on defense.

all about turnovers and special teams in all 3 games. stAte finally did well in those areas last night. Did very poorly vs. USA and Memphis, but still won.

That is right. The defense wasn't that much better last night (aside from the pass rush) than against Memphis and USA. UL is better than those teams but the big difference was that ASU didn't make mistakes and turn the ball over while UL did just that.

I still think ASU wins a close one with the way the offense played but ST and turnovers are the reason this was a blowout and the games against Memphis and USA weren't.

What happened to ULL's rush D?

The two conference games in September FIU rushed for 55 yards while TROY rushed for 60 yards.

The two conference games in October NT rushed for 240 yards and ASU rushed for 257.

Now I know that FIU and TROY are not known for their prowess in the run game, but that is two DOMINANT rush Defensive performances in September and two very poor performances in September.

(10-24-2012 09:36 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 08:24 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Last night was the first game that ASU's offense looked like the understood just what it is that Gus wants.

Dude, you need to go post on Ragin Pagin.. screw the haters.. You are one dude that actually knows what he is talking about.

Z

Nah because first thing I'd do is respond to the post saying there was no way in hell ASU had better players.

I'd probably post something along the lines of, if that is true then in the past 22 months Arkansas State has TWICE hired a better coach than Louisiana did coming up with two guys who could win by multiple scores with inferior talent.

(10-24-2012 11:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 09:36 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 08:24 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Last night was the first game that ASU's offense looked like the understood just what it is that Gus wants.

Dude, you need to go post on Ragin Pagin.. screw the haters.. You are one dude that actually knows what he is talking about.

Z

Nah because first thing I'd do is respond to the post saying there was no way in hell ASU had better players.

I'd probably post something along the lines of, if that is true then in the past 22 months Arkansas State has TWICE hired a better coach than Louisiana did coming up with two guys who could win by multiple scores with inferior talent.

Maybe they deserve that..?

(10-24-2012 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I was stunned by how poorly ULL played. At home no less. Sure, the offense has a backup QB and threw some interceptions but that doesn't excuse the defensive performance of ULL.

stAte had trouble stopping South Alabama's and Memphis' offense at home. Either stAte has fixed its offensive issues or ULL has a serious problem on defense.

ASU gave up 293 yards to Memphis, their season average is 298. ASU posted 619 yards offense and gave up a TD on a fumbled punt and a blocked punt. Not set-up scores, that's how they scored. That's half their points in that game.

USA held the freaking ball all day but still only posted about 50 yards above average. USA converted six points off ASU's three turnovers and ASU converted zip off USA's lone turnover. USA converted a 13 yard punt by ASU into a 26 yard TD drive.

USA won the oline battle and converted four fourth and shorts. To quote the vernacular, Jags played balls out.

(10-24-2012 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I was stunned by how poorly ULL played. At home no less. Sure, the offense has a backup QB and threw some interceptions but that doesn't excuse the defensive performance of ULL.

That was stunning. At one point ASU was calling the same basic run play over and over... successfully.

(10-24-2012 12:19 PM)MeanGreenEngineer Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I was stunned by how poorly ULL played. At home no less. Sure, the offense has a backup QB and threw some interceptions but that doesn't excuse the defensive performance of ULL.

That was stunning. At one point ASU was calling the same basic run play over and over... successfully.

If I recall it was 7 times in a row resulting in a TD. A run off tackle with the left guard pulling as the lead blocker and we didn't stop it once.

(10-24-2012 12:24 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 12:19 PM)MeanGreenEngineer Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I was stunned by how poorly ULL played. At home no less. Sure, the offense has a backup QB and threw some interceptions but that doesn't excuse the defensive performance of ULL.

That was stunning. At one point ASU was calling the same basic run play over and over... successfully.

If I recall it was 7 times in a row resulting in a TD. A run off tackle with the left guard pulling as the lead blocker and we didn't stop it once.

Jaw droppingly bad. You couldn't even get away with calling the same play that many times in Tecmo Bowl.

Yep, the left side of UL's defensive line was getting completely owned on that drive.

(10-24-2012 12:24 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 12:19 PM)MeanGreenEngineer Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I was stunned by how poorly ULL played. At home no less. Sure, the offense has a backup QB and threw some interceptions but that doesn't excuse the defensive performance of ULL.

That was stunning. At one point ASU was calling the same basic run play over and over... successfully.

If I recall it was 7 times in a row resulting in a TD. A run off tackle with the left guard pulling as the lead blocker and we didn't stop it once.

(10-24-2012 12:24 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 12:19 PM)MeanGreenEngineer Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I was stunned by how poorly ULL played. At home no less. Sure, the offense has a backup QB and threw some interceptions but that doesn't excuse the defensive performance of ULL.

That was stunning. At one point ASU was calling the same basic run play over and over... successfully.

If I recall it was 7 times in a row resulting in a TD. A run off tackle with the left guard pulling as the lead blocker and we didn't stop it once.

And the announcers keyed in on that the whole second half. These were all runs to the left side of the ULL defensive line. Why couldn't/wouldn't the ULL coaches make adjustments to shore that side up?

And for the record, Arkansas State is a very impressive team. Good speed and Aplin is the man.

(10-24-2012 05:07 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 12:24 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 12:19 PM)MeanGreenEngineer Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I was stunned by how poorly ULL played. At home no less. Sure, the offense has a backup QB and threw some interceptions but that doesn't excuse the defensive performance of ULL.

That was stunning. At one point ASU was calling the same basic run play over and over... successfully.

If I recall it was 7 times in a row resulting in a TD. A run off tackle with the left guard pulling as the lead blocker and we didn't stop it once.

And the announcers keyed in on that the whole second half. These were all runs to the left side of the ULL defensive line. Why couldn't/wouldn't the ULL coaches make adjustments to shore that side up?

And for the record, Arkansas State is a very impressive team. Good speed and Aplin is the man.

I went to the game last year in Jonesboro. I came away thinking what a difference maker Aplin is.

(10-24-2012 12:19 PM)MeanGreenEngineer Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I was stunned by how poorly ULL played. At home no less. Sure, the offense has a backup QB and threw some interceptions but that doesn't excuse the defensive performance of ULL.

That was stunning. At one point ASU was calling the same basic run play over and over... successfully.

The UNT/ULL game really only feature 3 or 4 different running plays in the 2nd half for UNT. It seemed like the ULL DL ran out of gas at the point of the attack and the second level never made any adjustments

(10-24-2012 05:07 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 12:24 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 12:19 PM)MeanGreenEngineer Wrote:  

(10-24-2012 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I was stunned by how poorly ULL played. At home no less. Sure, the offense has a backup QB and threw some interceptions but that doesn't excuse the defensive performance of ULL.

That was stunning. At one point ASU was calling the same basic run play over and over... successfully.

If I recall it was 7 times in a row resulting in a TD. A run off tackle with the left guard pulling as the lead blocker and we didn't stop it once.

And the announcers keyed in on that the whole second half. These were all runs to the left side of the ULL defensive line. Why couldn't/wouldn't the ULL coaches make adjustments to shore that side up?

And for the record, Arkansas State is a very impressive team. Good speed and Aplin is the man.

this is where the HUNH gives us advantage over the defense as fast as we run it.

say we run that run play the first time and gain 9. we run it again and gain 8. well the DC thinks they won't run that side again and makes adjustments to stuff the right and middle. then the same thought process after 4 of those of varrying yardage. after 5 he calls the play to adjust for the left side and before the players get in position we stand on it. before the defense knows whats going on we have run the same play 7 times for 60 yards and a TD.