(10-23-2012 10:48 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:16 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:01 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 09:19 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 09:13 AM)TheRock Wrote:  Actually SMU has assembled one one the beast coaching staffs in the country that includes LB & some awesome young recruiters but also a coach in waiting in Tim Jankovich. A highly respected, upcoming former head coach who left a very good job/team at Ill St. This is definitely not just a short-term plan. It really covers the short term with LB and the long term with the rest of the staff.

smu has a top notch staff that should keep them in the hunt for talent, they also have the money to pay top notch coaches, the only problem is that at some point a school from a larger conference might come along & make their coaches offers they can't refuse

That risk is much much less on the bball side...and when it does happen its usually b/c coaches leave for a few select programs (Ben Howland UCLA, Pitino to KU back in the day) or alma matas, not conferences. Then again that happens in every conference.

Historically the BE hasn't taken the back seat to any conference as far as head coaches go even when departures happen. Like Buzz Williams after Crean left Marquette or Dixon after Howland left Pitt.

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success at a place like smu is totally dependent on the coach, what i mean is that their isn't a natural pipeline to talent that a coach can depend on. take mark turgeon for instance, he did a great job at w. state & took texas a&m to the tournament every year he was there but took the job at maryland because of the abundance of talent in dc/baltimore area.

BUT YOUR IN THE BIG EAST NOW BABY (almost)...Look at USF, Marquette, Cincy, etc. all are thriving much more than just before they entered the league. Do you think LB would have lobbied so hard to take the job there if you weren't entering the BE next season. No way, listen to his interviews. I've heard him mention the BE more than C-USA lol...SMU is already changing it's image for the better bball-wise by being linked to the BE! Welcome aboard & can't wait to see you next year (with a pretty good roster already).

clemson is in the ACC & they have a hard time competing year in, year out. marquette,cinci,louisville, & memphis have always been able to get talent. marquette has a pipeline into the chicago area & other big cities in the midwest & memphis area produces alot of talent that wants to play close to home.

(10-23-2012 11:10 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:48 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:16 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:01 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 09:19 AM)mj4life Wrote:  smu has a top notch staff that should keep them in the hunt for talent, they also have the money to pay top notch coaches, the only problem is that at some point a school from a larger conference might come along & make their coaches offers they can't refuse

That risk is much much less on the bball side...and when it does happen its usually b/c coaches leave for a few select programs (Ben Howland UCLA, Pitino to KU back in the day) or alma matas, not conferences. Then again that happens in every conference.

Historically the BE hasn't taken the back seat to any conference as far as head coaches go even when departures happen. Like Buzz Williams after Crean left Marquette or Dixon after Howland left Pitt.

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success at a place like smu is totally dependent on the coach, what i mean is that their isn't a natural pipeline to talent that a coach can depend on. take mark turgeon for instance, he did a great job at w. state & took texas a&m to the tournament every year he was there but took the job at maryland because of the abundance of talent in dc/baltimore area.

BUT YOUR IN THE BIG EAST NOW BABY (almost)...Look at USF, Marquette, Cincy, etc. all are thriving much more than just before they entered the league. Do you think LB would have lobbied so hard to take the job there if you weren't entering the BE next season. No way, listen to his interviews. I've heard him mention the BE more than C-USA lol...SMU is already changing it's image for the better bball-wise by being linked to the BE! Welcome aboard & can't wait to see you next year (with a pretty good roster already).

clemson is in the ACC & they have a hard time competing year in, year out. marquette,cinci,louisville, & memphis have always been able to get talent. marquette has a pipeline into the chicago area & other big cities in the midwest & memphis area produces alot of talent that wants to play close to home.

The entire acc outside of duke & UNC have the same problem as Clemson.

Marquette & cincy are at another level as far as year over year tourney success & being ranked as a result of recruiting while in the BE.

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(10-23-2012 12:12 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 11:10 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:48 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:16 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:01 AM)TheRock Wrote:  That risk is much much less on the bball side...and when it does happen its usually b/c coaches leave for a few select programs (Ben Howland UCLA, Pitino to KU back in the day) or alma matas, not conferences. Then again that happens in every conference.

Historically the BE hasn't taken the back seat to any conference as far as head coaches go even when departures happen. Like Buzz Williams after Crean left Marquette or Dixon after Howland left Pitt.

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success at a place like smu is totally dependent on the coach, what i mean is that their isn't a natural pipeline to talent that a coach can depend on. take mark turgeon for instance, he did a great job at w. state & took texas a&m to the tournament every year he was there but took the job at maryland because of the abundance of talent in dc/baltimore area.

BUT YOUR IN THE BIG EAST NOW BABY (almost)...Look at USF, Marquette, Cincy, etc. all are thriving much more than just before they entered the league. Do you think LB would have lobbied so hard to take the job there if you weren't entering the BE next season. No way, listen to his interviews. I've heard him mention the BE more than C-USA lol...SMU is already changing it's image for the better bball-wise by being linked to the BE! Welcome aboard & can't wait to see you next year (with a pretty good roster already).

clemson is in the ACC & they have a hard time competing year in, year out. marquette,cinci,louisville, & memphis have always been able to get talent. marquette has a pipeline into the chicago area & other big cities in the midwest & memphis area produces alot of talent that wants to play close to home.

The entire acc outside of duke & UNC have the same problem as Clemson.

Marquette & cincy are at another level as far as year over year tourney success & being ranked as a result of recruiting while in the BE.

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i think you need to do a little research on the acc, maryland made the final four twice(i title) in the last 10 years, g. tech played for the national title within the last 10 years. virginia,nc state,miami,g tech,maryland have all hired respected coaches that have had success at other places & can a least make them ncaa tournament caliber teams on a regular basis

(10-23-2012 12:21 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 12:12 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 11:10 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:48 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:16 AM)mj4life Wrote:  success at a place like smu is totally dependent on the coach, what i mean is that their isn't a natural pipeline to talent that a coach can depend on. take mark turgeon for instance, he did a great job at w. state & took texas a&m to the tournament every year he was there but took the job at maryland because of the abundance of talent in dc/baltimore area.

BUT YOUR IN THE BIG EAST NOW BABY (almost)...Look at USF, Marquette, Cincy, etc. all are thriving much more than just before they entered the league. Do you think LB would have lobbied so hard to take the job there if you weren't entering the BE next season. No way, listen to his interviews. I've heard him mention the BE more than C-USA lol...SMU is already changing it's image for the better bball-wise by being linked to the BE! Welcome aboard & can't wait to see you next year (with a pretty good roster already).

clemson is in the ACC & they have a hard time competing year in, year out. marquette,cinci,louisville, & memphis have always been able to get talent. marquette has a pipeline into the chicago area & other big cities in the midwest & memphis area produces alot of talent that wants to play close to home.

The entire acc outside of duke & UNC have the same problem as Clemson.

Marquette & cincy are at another level as far as year over year tourney success & being ranked as a result of recruiting while in the BE.

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i think you need to do a little research on the acc, maryland made the final four twice(i title) in the last 10 years, g. tech played for the national title within the last 10 years. virginia,nc state,miami,g tech,maryland have all hired respected coaches that have had success at other places & can a least make them ncaa tournament caliber teams on a regular basis

So why are they bringing in Pitt & Cuse, Football? I'm know i'm new to this board, but your last message reads like a press release from the acc marketing office...trolling maybe?

(10-23-2012 10:48 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:16 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:01 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 09:19 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 09:13 AM)TheRock Wrote:  Actually SMU has assembled one one the beast coaching staffs in the country that includes LB & some awesome young recruiters but also a coach in waiting in Tim Jankovich. A highly respected, upcoming former head coach who left a very good job/team at Ill St. This is definitely not just a short-term plan. It really covers the short term with LB and the long term with the rest of the staff.

smu has a top notch staff that should keep them in the hunt for talent, they also have the money to pay top notch coaches, the only problem is that at some point a school from a larger conference might come along & make their coaches offers they can't refuse

That risk is much much less on the bball side...and when it does happen its usually b/c coaches leave for a few select programs (Ben Howland UCLA, Pitino to KU back in the day) or alma matas, not conferences. Then again that happens in every conference.

Historically the BE hasn't taken the back seat to any conference as far as head coaches go even when departures happen. Like Buzz Williams after Crean left Marquette or Dixon after Howland left Pitt.

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success at a place like smu is totally dependent on the coach, what i mean is that their isn't a natural pipeline to talent that a coach can depend on. take mark turgeon for instance, he did a great job at w. state & took texas a&m to the tournament every year he was there but took the job at maryland because of the abundance of talent in dc/baltimore area.

BUT YOUR IN THE BIG EAST NOW BABY (almost)...Look at USF, Marquette, Cincy, etc. all are thriving much more than just before they entered the league. Do you think LB would have lobbied so hard to take the job there if you weren't entering the BE next season. No way, listen to his interviews. I've heard him mention the BE more than C-USA lol...SMU is already changing it's image for the better bball-wise by being linked to the BE! Welcome aboard & can't wait to see you next year (with a pretty good roster already).

Cincinnati and Marquette were extremely successful (arguably more so) before the joining the Big East.

(10-23-2012 12:41 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:48 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:16 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:01 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 09:19 AM)mj4life Wrote:  smu has a top notch staff that should keep them in the hunt for talent, they also have the money to pay top notch coaches, the only problem is that at some point a school from a larger conference might come along & make their coaches offers they can't refuse

That risk is much much less on the bball side...and when it does happen its usually b/c coaches leave for a few select programs (Ben Howland UCLA, Pitino to KU back in the day) or alma matas, not conferences. Then again that happens in every conference.

Historically the BE hasn't taken the back seat to any conference as far as head coaches go even when departures happen. Like Buzz Williams after Crean left Marquette or Dixon after Howland left Pitt.

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success at a place like smu is totally dependent on the coach, what i mean is that their isn't a natural pipeline to talent that a coach can depend on. take mark turgeon for instance, he did a great job at w. state & took texas a&m to the tournament every year he was there but took the job at maryland because of the abundance of talent in dc/baltimore area.

BUT YOUR IN THE BIG EAST NOW BABY (almost)...Look at USF, Marquette, Cincy, etc. all are thriving much more than just before they entered the league. Do you think LB would have lobbied so hard to take the job there if you weren't entering the BE next season. No way, listen to his interviews. I've heard him mention the BE more than C-USA lol...SMU is already changing it's image for the better bball-wise by being linked to the BE! Welcome aboard & can't wait to see you next year (with a pretty good roster already).

Cincinnati and Marquette were extremely successful (arguably more so) before the joining the Big East.

So you're saying being in the BE hasn't helped both of those programs a great deal in recruiting...that they were better off in C-USA?

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(10-23-2012 01:39 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 12:41 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:48 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:16 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:01 AM)TheRock Wrote:  That risk is much much less on the bball side...and when it does happen its usually b/c coaches leave for a few select programs (Ben Howland UCLA, Pitino to KU back in the day) or alma matas, not conferences. Then again that happens in every conference.

Historically the BE hasn't taken the back seat to any conference as far as head coaches go even when departures happen. Like Buzz Williams after Crean left Marquette or Dixon after Howland left Pitt.

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success at a place like smu is totally dependent on the coach, what i mean is that their isn't a natural pipeline to talent that a coach can depend on. take mark turgeon for instance, he did a great job at w. state & took texas a&m to the tournament every year he was there but took the job at maryland because of the abundance of talent in dc/baltimore area.

BUT YOUR IN THE BIG EAST NOW BABY (almost)...Look at USF, Marquette, Cincy, etc. all are thriving much more than just before they entered the league. Do you think LB would have lobbied so hard to take the job there if you weren't entering the BE next season. No way, listen to his interviews. I've heard him mention the BE more than C-USA lol...SMU is already changing it's image for the better bball-wise by being linked to the BE! Welcome aboard & can't wait to see you next year (with a pretty good roster already).

Cincinnati and Marquette were extremely successful (arguably more so) before the joining the Big East.

So you're saying being in the BE hasn't helped both of those programs a great deal in recruiting...that they were better off in C-USA?

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That's a trick question. Better off? Obviously not. Has the BE made a difference in their recruiting and success? No, not really as both were great programs to begin with, especially Cincinnati, who actually regressed upon joining the BE.

(10-23-2012 01:47 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:39 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 12:41 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:48 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:16 AM)mj4life Wrote:  success at a place like smu is totally dependent on the coach, what i mean is that their isn't a natural pipeline to talent that a coach can depend on. take mark turgeon for instance, he did a great job at w. state & took texas a&m to the tournament every year he was there but took the job at maryland because of the abundance of talent in dc/baltimore area.

BUT YOUR IN THE BIG EAST NOW BABY (almost)...Look at USF, Marquette, Cincy, etc. all are thriving much more than just before they entered the league. Do you think LB would have lobbied so hard to take the job there if you weren't entering the BE next season. No way, listen to his interviews. I've heard him mention the BE more than C-USA lol...SMU is already changing it's image for the better bball-wise by being linked to the BE! Welcome aboard & can't wait to see you next year (with a pretty good roster already).

Cincinnati and Marquette were extremely successful (arguably more so) before the joining the Big East.

So you're saying being in the BE hasn't helped both of those programs a great deal in recruiting...that they were better off in C-USA?

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That's a trick question. Better off? Obviously not. Has the BE made a difference in their recruiting and success? No, not really as both were great programs to begin with, especially Cincinnati, who actually regressed upon joining the BE.

Yep firing your coach and having your entire basketball team leave the program will do that to ya. We're back now, though so no worries!

(10-23-2012 01:47 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:39 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 12:41 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:48 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:16 AM)mj4life Wrote:  success at a place like smu is totally dependent on the coach, what i mean is that their isn't a natural pipeline to talent that a coach can depend on. take mark turgeon for instance, he did a great job at w. state & took texas a&m to the tournament every year he was there but took the job at maryland because of the abundance of talent in dc/baltimore area.

BUT YOUR IN THE BIG EAST NOW BABY (almost)...Look at USF, Marquette, Cincy, etc. all are thriving much more than just before they entered the league. Do you think LB would have lobbied so hard to take the job there if you weren't entering the BE next season. No way, listen to his interviews. I've heard him mention the BE more than C-USA lol...SMU is already changing it's image for the better bball-wise by being linked to the BE! Welcome aboard & can't wait to see you next year (with a pretty good roster already).

Cincinnati and Marquette were extremely successful (arguably more so) before the joining the Big East.

So you're saying being in the BE hasn't helped both of those programs a great deal in recruiting...that they were better off in C-USA?

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That's a trick question. Better off? Obviously not. Has the BE made a difference in their recruiting and success? No, not really as both were great programs to begin with, especially Cincinnati, who actually regressed upon joining the BE.

We didn't regress because we joined the BE. We regressed because we went a full year with a lame duck coach, and only had 2 returning scholarship players during our first year in the BE. The rest of the team was late-signing JUCO transfers, freshman, and a tight end from the football team.

But I would agree with you that being in the BE has not really helped our basketball program, or Louisville's. It was much easier in C-USA.

(10-23-2012 02:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:47 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:39 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 12:41 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:48 AM)TheRock Wrote:  BUT YOUR IN THE BIG EAST NOW BABY (almost)...Look at USF, Marquette, Cincy, etc. all are thriving much more than just before they entered the league. Do you think LB would have lobbied so hard to take the job there if you weren't entering the BE next season. No way, listen to his interviews. I've heard him mention the BE more than C-USA lol...SMU is already changing it's image for the better bball-wise by being linked to the BE! Welcome aboard & can't wait to see you next year (with a pretty good roster already).

Cincinnati and Marquette were extremely successful (arguably more so) before the joining the Big East.

So you're saying being in the BE hasn't helped both of those programs a great deal in recruiting...that they were better off in C-USA?

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That's a trick question. Better off? Obviously not. Has the BE made a difference in their recruiting and success? No, not really as both were great programs to begin with, especially Cincinnati, who actually regressed upon joining the BE.

We didn't regress because we joined the BE. We regressed because we went a full year with a lame duck coach, and only had 2 returning scholarship players during our first year in the BE. The rest of the team was late-signing JUCO transfers, freshman, and a tight end from the football team.

But I would agree with you that being in the BE has not really helped our basketball program, or Louisville's. It was much easier in C-USA.

Wasn't saying joining the BE hurt Cincy basketball, just refuting that the school got better by joining the BE. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

(10-23-2012 02:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:47 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:39 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 12:41 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 10:48 AM)TheRock Wrote:  BUT YOUR IN THE BIG EAST NOW BABY (almost)...Look at USF, Marquette, Cincy, etc. all are thriving much more than just before they entered the league. Do you think LB would have lobbied so hard to take the job there if you weren't entering the BE next season. No way, listen to his interviews. I've heard him mention the BE more than C-USA lol...SMU is already changing it's image for the better bball-wise by being linked to the BE! Welcome aboard & can't wait to see you next year (with a pretty good roster already).

Cincinnati and Marquette were extremely successful (arguably more so) before the joining the Big East.

So you're saying being in the BE hasn't helped both of those programs a great deal in recruiting...that they were better off in C-USA?

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That's a trick question. Better off? Obviously not. Has the BE made a difference in their recruiting and success? No, not really as both were great programs to begin with, especially Cincinnati, who actually regressed upon joining the BE.

We didn't regress because we joined the BE. We regressed because we went a full year with a lame duck coach, and only had 2 returning scholarship players during our first year in the BE. The rest of the team was late-signing JUCO transfers, freshman, and a tight end from the football team.

But I would agree with you that being in the BE has not really helped our basketball program, or Louisville's. It was much easier in C-USA.

I think you also regressed because it took time to carve your niche out in the best bball conference in the country, especially on the recruiting trail. Cincy has lost a lot of recruiting battles against other BE schools (Kemba). But I also think Cronin has done a great job in that department last two seasons or so.

As far as Lord2 saying it hasn't helped recruiting is amazing. Being in the BE has probably the second biggest part of Cronin's pitch (tradition 1st) to players about coming to his Cincy.

As for Louiville, Pitino just signed the best recruiting class he's had since he's been at the ville. So to say it's not been that big a difference seems like is devaluing what being the most televised, best performing conference has done for every team.

(10-23-2012 02:18 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:47 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:39 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 12:41 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Cincinnati and Marquette were extremely successful (arguably more so) before the joining the Big East.

So you're saying being in the BE hasn't helped both of those programs a great deal in recruiting...that they were better off in C-USA?

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That's a trick question. Better off? Obviously not. Has the BE made a difference in their recruiting and success? No, not really as both were great programs to begin with, especially Cincinnati, who actually regressed upon joining the BE.

We didn't regress because we joined the BE. We regressed because we went a full year with a lame duck coach, and only had 2 returning scholarship players during our first year in the BE. The rest of the team was late-signing JUCO transfers, freshman, and a tight end from the football team.

But I would agree with you that being in the BE has not really helped our basketball program, or Louisville's. It was much easier in C-USA.

I think you also regressed because it took time to carve your niche out in the best bball conference in the country, especially on the recruiting trail. Cincy has lost a lot of recruiting battles against other BE schools (Kemba). But I also think Cronin has done a great job in that department last two seasons or so.

As far as Lord2 saying it hasn't helped recruiting is amazing. Being in the BE has probably the second biggest part of Cronin's pitch (tradition 1st) to players about coming to his Cincy.

As for Louiville, Pitino just signed the best recruiting class he's had since he's been at the ville. So to say it's not been that big a difference seems like is devaluing what being the most televised, best performing conference has done for every team.

Yea Cincy had to carve out a niche with little talent and the shell of a coaching staff in the best conference in America. I guarantee if Bob Huggins wasn't fired the Bearcats would have taken a similar path as the Louisville Cardinals during their transition into the Big East.

(10-23-2012 02:08 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:47 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:39 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 12:41 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Cincinnati and Marquette were extremely successful (arguably more so) before the joining the Big East.

So you're saying being in the BE hasn't helped both of those programs a great deal in recruiting...that they were better off in C-USA?

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That's a trick question. Better off? Obviously not. Has the BE made a difference in their recruiting and success? No, not really as both were great programs to begin with, especially Cincinnati, who actually regressed upon joining the BE.

We didn't regress because we joined the BE. We regressed because we went a full year with a lame duck coach, and only had 2 returning scholarship players during our first year in the BE. The rest of the team was late-signing JUCO transfers, freshman, and a tight end from the football team.

But I would agree with you that being in the BE has not really helped our basketball program, or Louisville's. It was much easier in C-USA.

Wasn't saying joining the BE hurt Cincy basketball, just refuting that the school got better by joining the BE. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

C'mon Lord2, I know you said you didn't mean it but it's still like your saying you guys are just treading water since joining the BE. You guys have put yourselves in a position to annually be in the top tier BE even before the defections and even after some great new programs come in. Prior to joining the big Cincy's program was not considered on par with the top of the oBE. For the record I'm not talking about over the history of the program. Cincy's history speaks for itself.

(10-23-2012 02:22 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:18 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:47 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:39 PM)TheRock Wrote:  So you're saying being in the BE hasn't helped both of those programs a great deal in recruiting...that they were better off in C-USA?

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That's a trick question. Better off? Obviously not. Has the BE made a difference in their recruiting and success? No, not really as both were great programs to begin with, especially Cincinnati, who actually regressed upon joining the BE.

We didn't regress because we joined the BE. We regressed because we went a full year with a lame duck coach, and only had 2 returning scholarship players during our first year in the BE. The rest of the team was late-signing JUCO transfers, freshman, and a tight end from the football team.

But I would agree with you that being in the BE has not really helped our basketball program, or Louisville's. It was much easier in C-USA.

I think you also regressed because it took time to carve your niche out in the best bball conference in the country, especially on the recruiting trail. Cincy has lost a lot of recruiting battles against other BE schools (Kemba). But I also think Cronin has done a great job in that department last two seasons or so.

As far as Lord2 saying it hasn't helped recruiting is amazing. Being in the BE has probably the second biggest part of Cronin's pitch (tradition 1st) to players about coming to his Cincy.

As for Louiville, Pitino just signed the best recruiting class he's had since he's been at the ville. So to say it's not been that big a difference seems like is devaluing what being the most televised, best performing conference has done for every team.

Yea Cincy had to carve out a niche with little talent and the shell of a coaching staff in the best conference in America. I guarantee if Bob Huggins wasn't fired the Bearcats would have taken a similar path as the Louisville Cardinals during their transition into the Big East.

But he was fired and you're still here, coming off a sweet 16, and the program on the upswing. Being able to leverage the BE through that period is a big reason why you were able to IMO. To go through such lengths to make the case that being in the BE has been meh for your program is kind of deflating to hear as a BE fan. So I guess the programs coming in should expect the same minimal impact...

(10-23-2012 02:35 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:22 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:18 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:47 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  That's a trick question. Better off? Obviously not. Has the BE made a difference in their recruiting and success? No, not really as both were great programs to begin with, especially Cincinnati, who actually regressed upon joining the BE.

We didn't regress because we joined the BE. We regressed because we went a full year with a lame duck coach, and only had 2 returning scholarship players during our first year in the BE. The rest of the team was late-signing JUCO transfers, freshman, and a tight end from the football team.

But I would agree with you that being in the BE has not really helped our basketball program, or Louisville's. It was much easier in C-USA.

I think you also regressed because it took time to carve your niche out in the best bball conference in the country, especially on the recruiting trail. Cincy has lost a lot of recruiting battles against other BE schools (Kemba). But I also think Cronin has done a great job in that department last two seasons or so.

As far as Lord2 saying it hasn't helped recruiting is amazing. Being in the BE has probably the second biggest part of Cronin's pitch (tradition 1st) to players about coming to his Cincy.

As for Louiville, Pitino just signed the best recruiting class he's had since he's been at the ville. So to say it's not been that big a difference seems like is devaluing what being the most televised, best performing conference has done for every team.

Yea Cincy had to carve out a niche with little talent and the shell of a coaching staff in the best conference in America. I guarantee if Bob Huggins wasn't fired the Bearcats would have taken a similar path as the Louisville Cardinals during their transition into the Big East.

But he was fired and you're still here, coming off a sweet 16, and the program on the upswing. Being able to leverage the BE through that period is a big reason why you were able to IMO. To go through such lengths to make the case that being in the BE has been meh for your program is kind of deflating to hear as a BE fan. So I guess the programs coming in should expect the same minimal impact...

I totally agree with you but the difference I'm trying to make is that Cincinnati, Louisville, and Marquette were all operating on the same level in 2004, essentially. In 2005, Louisville and Marquette were the same and Cincinnati was gutted, essentially knocked to the same level as South Florida and DePaul for their first few years in the Big East.

The only reason Cincinnati has returned to their pre-Big East level is because of the hard work of Mick Cronin and his staff. That's easier said than done. I mean just look at South Florida. They've been in the Big East for quite a few years now and are only now climbing out of the cellar under Stan Heath's hard work. And DePaul has actually regressed under the intense competition of Big East play among other factors.

(10-23-2012 03:05 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:35 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:22 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:18 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  We didn't regress because we joined the BE. We regressed because we went a full year with a lame duck coach, and only had 2 returning scholarship players during our first year in the BE. The rest of the team was late-signing JUCO transfers, freshman, and a tight end from the football team.

But I would agree with you that being in the BE has not really helped our basketball program, or Louisville's. It was much easier in C-USA.

I think you also regressed because it took time to carve your niche out in the best bball conference in the country, especially on the recruiting trail. Cincy has lost a lot of recruiting battles against other BE schools (Kemba). But I also think Cronin has done a great job in that department last two seasons or so.

As far as Lord2 saying it hasn't helped recruiting is amazing. Being in the BE has probably the second biggest part of Cronin's pitch (tradition 1st) to players about coming to his Cincy.

As for Louiville, Pitino just signed the best recruiting class he's had since he's been at the ville. So to say it's not been that big a difference seems like is devaluing what being the most televised, best performing conference has done for every team.

Yea Cincy had to carve out a niche with little talent and the shell of a coaching staff in the best conference in America. I guarantee if Bob Huggins wasn't fired the Bearcats would have taken a similar path as the Louisville Cardinals during their transition into the Big East.

But he was fired and you're still here, coming off a sweet 16, and the program on the upswing. Being able to leverage the BE through that period is a big reason why you were able to IMO. To go through such lengths to make the case that being in the BE has been meh for your program is kind of deflating to hear as a BE fan. So I guess the programs coming in should expect the same minimal impact...

I totally agree with you but the difference I'm trying to make is that Cincinnati, Louisville, and Marquette were all operating on the same level in 2004, essentially. In 2005, Louisville and Marquette were the same and Cincinnati was gutted, essentially knocked to the same level as South Florida and DePaul for their first few years in the Big East.

The only reason Cincinnati has returned to their pre-Big East level is because of the hard work of Mick Cronin and his staff. That's easier said than done. I mean just look at South Florida. They've been in the Big East for quite a few years now and are only now climbing out of the cellar under Stan Heath's hard work. And DePaul has actually regressed under the intense competition of Big East play among other factors.

I appreciate the tone of the convo. I believe I get your point, but what I'm getting at is that being in the BE can elevate programs beyond year to year success. Look at Nova. They've had a rough stretch but the program is on solid footing b/c they've built prestige in the BE with or without Jay Wright. When Cronin was "rumored" to be leaving a year ago, bearcatland was in a panic. I think that's b/c the program hadn't been on solid footing for years. Even the Huggins years, to an outsider (me) were as much or more about Huggy bear than the Cincy program. If Cronin keeps it up Cincy will soon be in that same type of position regardless if Cronin is there. It takes time.

As for USF & Depaul. Again it takes time. By all accounts Depaul's future is bright with Purnell and USF just won a game (2 games total) in the tourny for the first time ever! There was no guarantee they would have one a game for another 10 years if they didn't join the BE. Also Heath coach was COY in the BE the year before...it takes time but the BE makes it possible...do you hear that Houston, UCF & SMU fans!

(10-23-2012 03:31 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 03:05 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:35 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:22 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:18 PM)TheRock Wrote:  I think you also regressed because it took time to carve your niche out in the best bball conference in the country, especially on the recruiting trail. Cincy has lost a lot of recruiting battles against other BE schools (Kemba). But I also think Cronin has done a great job in that department last two seasons or so.

As far as Lord2 saying it hasn't helped recruiting is amazing. Being in the BE has probably the second biggest part of Cronin's pitch (tradition 1st) to players about coming to his Cincy.

As for Louiville, Pitino just signed the best recruiting class he's had since he's been at the ville. So to say it's not been that big a difference seems like is devaluing what being the most televised, best performing conference has done for every team.

Yea Cincy had to carve out a niche with little talent and the shell of a coaching staff in the best conference in America. I guarantee if Bob Huggins wasn't fired the Bearcats would have taken a similar path as the Louisville Cardinals during their transition into the Big East.

But he was fired and you're still here, coming off a sweet 16, and the program on the upswing. Being able to leverage the BE through that period is a big reason why you were able to IMO. To go through such lengths to make the case that being in the BE has been meh for your program is kind of deflating to hear as a BE fan. So I guess the programs coming in should expect the same minimal impact...

I totally agree with you but the difference I'm trying to make is that Cincinnati, Louisville, and Marquette were all operating on the same level in 2004, essentially. In 2005, Louisville and Marquette were the same and Cincinnati was gutted, essentially knocked to the same level as South Florida and DePaul for their first few years in the Big East.

The only reason Cincinnati has returned to their pre-Big East level is because of the hard work of Mick Cronin and his staff. That's easier said than done. I mean just look at South Florida. They've been in the Big East for quite a few years now and are only now climbing out of the cellar under Stan Heath's hard work. And DePaul has actually regressed under the intense competition of Big East play among other factors.

I appreciate the tone of the convo. I believe I get your point, but what I'm getting at is that being in the BE can elevate programs beyond year to year success. Look at Nova. They've had a rough stretch but the program is on solid footing b/c they've built prestige in the BE with or without Jay Wright. When Cronin was "rumored" to be leaving a year ago, bearcatland was in a panic. I think that's b/c the program hadn't been on solid footing for years. Even the Huggins years, to an outsider (me) were as much or more about Huggy bear than the Cincy program. If Cronin keeps it up Cincy will soon be in that same type of position regardless if Cronin is there. It takes time.

As for USF & Depaul. Again it takes time. By all accounts Depaul's future is bright with Purnell and USF just won a game (2 games total) in the tourny for the first time ever! There was no guarantee they would have one a game for another 10 years if they didn't join the BE. Also Heath coach was COY in the BE the year before...it takes time but the BE makes it possible...do you hear that Houston, UCF & SMU fans!

I think everyone is pretty much on the same page, but what I took away from your initial post was that Cincinnati NEEDED the Big East to remain relevant. I don't think that's true, association with the Big East sure doesn't hurt things, but Cincinnati has always been a great program and would have bounced back with or without the Big East's help. Other programs like USF and SMU, that banner means a lot to their recruiting, it tells recruits they are in an elite conference, but for programs like Cincy, Louisville and Memphis, they already have a lot of history and prestige to fall back on, what conference they are in doesn't make or break their basketball programs.

As a fan though, I am loving the prestige of the Big East banner because it's a middle finger to the haters, it gives us something to fall back to when we get in pissing contests with SEC homers.

(10-23-2012 03:50 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 03:31 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 03:05 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:35 PM)TheRock Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:22 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Yea Cincy had to carve out a niche with little talent and the shell of a coaching staff in the best conference in America. I guarantee if Bob Huggins wasn't fired the Bearcats would have taken a similar path as the Louisville Cardinals during their transition into the Big East.

But he was fired and you're still here, coming off a sweet 16, and the program on the upswing. Being able to leverage the BE through that period is a big reason why you were able to IMO. To go through such lengths to make the case that being in the BE has been meh for your program is kind of deflating to hear as a BE fan. So I guess the programs coming in should expect the same minimal impact...

I totally agree with you but the difference I'm trying to make is that Cincinnati, Louisville, and Marquette were all operating on the same level in 2004, essentially. In 2005, Louisville and Marquette were the same and Cincinnati was gutted, essentially knocked to the same level as South Florida and DePaul for their first few years in the Big East.

The only reason Cincinnati has returned to their pre-Big East level is because of the hard work of Mick Cronin and his staff. That's easier said than done. I mean just look at South Florida. They've been in the Big East for quite a few years now and are only now climbing out of the cellar under Stan Heath's hard work. And DePaul has actually regressed under the intense competition of Big East play among other factors.

I appreciate the tone of the convo. I believe I get your point, but what I'm getting at is that being in the BE can elevate programs beyond year to year success. Look at Nova. They've had a rough stretch but the program is on solid footing b/c they've built prestige in the BE with or without Jay Wright. When Cronin was "rumored" to be leaving a year ago, bearcatland was in a panic. I think that's b/c the program hadn't been on solid footing for years. Even the Huggins years, to an outsider (me) were as much or more about Huggy bear than the Cincy program. If Cronin keeps it up Cincy will soon be in that same type of position regardless if Cronin is there. It takes time.

As for USF & Depaul. Again it takes time. By all accounts Depaul's future is bright with Purnell and USF just won a game (2 games total) in the tourny for the first time ever! There was no guarantee they would have one a game for another 10 years if they didn't join the BE. Also Heath coach was COY in the BE the year before...it takes time but the BE makes it possible...do you hear that Houston, UCF & SMU fans!

I think everyone is pretty much on the same page, but what I took away from your initial post was that Cincinnati NEEDED the Big East to remain relevant. I don't think that's true, association with the Big East sure doesn't hurt things, but Cincinnati has always been a great program and would have bounced back with or without the Big East's help. Other programs like USF and SMU, that banner means a lot to their recruiting, it tells recruits they are in an elite conference, but for programs like Cincy, Louisville and Memphis, they already have a lot of history and prestige to fall back on, what conference they are in doesn't make or break their basketball programs.

As a fan though, I am loving the prestige of the Big East banner because it's a middle finger to the haters, it gives us something to fall back to when we get in pissing contests with SEC homers.

I could not agree more with those statements. Now those programs are in a conference that beautifully compliments those storied traditions. It is a totally different situation for SMU, UCF & USF...Houston also has great tradition of course (Phi Slamma Jamma!)

Yea all three of use are basically saying the same thing. Good convo, guys!

(10-23-2012 04:16 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Yea all three of use are basically saying the same thing. Good convo, guys!

Agreed Btw way I can't way to see Shaq Thomas finally suit up for you guys. I think he has NBA potential...