(10-17-2012 09:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You want to know how I know who won the debate. Look at the Intrade numbers post debate. People don't spin money. Obama is up 5 points in Ohio. I know of no credible way Romney gets to 270 without Ohio. Anyone????

What is to stop Big O supporters from buying on Intrade?

(10-17-2012 09:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But once again, we're trying to analyze this whole thing on the fly while we still don't know all the information!

We know 24 hours after the attack they knew it was terrorism. We know the state department watched it live and knew there was no demostration.

In light of that we know Obama and his admin claimed for nearly 10 days it was the video. We know that. It's an established fact.

Are we learning more? Sure. But we know enough now to know Obama lied to the American people. That is an incontrovertable fact.

Lying doesn't make it false...lol.

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

Do you guy's feel the slightest tinge by making political fodder out of a tragedy? I know it's partisan meat but I shudder at this line of attack. I know it's the political season but to me you are trying to make hay out of a national tragedy. That's sad.

Ok. After sleeping on this and watching clips, I think this might be the greatest debate in Pres. Or VP history. The sparring, theatrics, and different styles were fantastic. There are so many soundbites that are going to nail Romney even though he had a good debate. The Obama team really game planned Romney. They were prepared for his foreign investment comeback that he used to destroy Newt. They knew that Romney hates to be interrupted, thanks to Rick Perry. The flub on Libya is going to hurt, it shines a light on Romney's foreign policy weakness and takes his best attack off the table next week. Look for Obama to interrupt the sh1t out of Romney next week.

(10-17-2012 09:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  WTF are you fools listeing to? Crowley never said she was wrong and also she backs up once again that Obama did say terror in the original speech which he clearly did. What she's talking about his Mitt's other point in this exchange that the WH was still changing positions on the matter for a couple weeks which is mostly true. And she also affirmed that last night in the debate too.

But once again, we're trying to analyze this whole thing on the fly while we still don't know all the information!

Tom Romney was right in his substance and the "moderator" jumped in to pick nits and defend Obama.

I know you and the libs want to wait until every grain of dust has been examined. Just like Obama wants to wait until after the election to negotiate the missle defense screen with Russia...

Why oh why is it so important to wait until December to do this?

No Mach, the political fodder is the ineptness of how the administration tried to cover this up during an election year. If Obama had come out day one and said "this was a terrorist attack and we should have had more security on site. We're holding the Lybian government responsible along with our lack of preparedness." blah blah... You get the point. If something along those lines had been said this wouldn't be an issue. His cover up made it an issue.

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

(10-17-2012 10:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Do you guy's feel the slightest tinge by making political fodder out of a tragedy? I know it's partisan meat but I shudder at this line of attack. I know it's the political season but to me you are trying to make hay out of a national tragedy. That's sad.

No one is making political fodder out of the tragedy. The Obama admin made it political fodder by their inept reaction and their lies. The Obama admin made it political fodder because the made a political calculation to try and cover for what happened. It didn't fit the "AQ is decimated" narrative so they had to try and make it about something other than what it was. A video. THAT is the political side of this. Not the attack or the death of our ambassador.

And this the political season. We're electing the next president of the United States. The president's foreign policy decisions and the results of them are not only up for discussion, we'd be negligent not to discuss them. It's our duty to discuss them.

(10-17-2012 10:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Do you guy's feel the slightest tinge by making political fodder out of a tragedy? I know it's partisan meat but I shudder at this line of attack. I know it's the political season but to me you are trying to make hay out of a national tragedy. That's sad.

Wait a second... After the way the left treated Katrina you want to call *THIS* making political fodder over a tragedy?

(10-17-2012 10:45 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-17-2012 10:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Do you guy's feel the slightest tinge by making political fodder out of a tragedy? I know it's partisan meat but I shudder at this line of attack. I know it's the political season but to me you are trying to make hay out of a national tragedy. That's sad.

Wait a second... After the way the left treated Katrina you want to call *THIS* making political fodder over a tragedy?

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(10-17-2012 10:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Do you guy's feel the slightest tinge by making political fodder out of a tragedy? I know it's partisan meat but I shudder at this line of attack. I know it's the political season but to me you are trying to make hay out of a national tragedy. That's sad.

WE did not play politics with this tragedy. The Big O's administration did...

(10-17-2012 10:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Do you guy's feel the slightest tinge by making political fodder out of a tragedy?

You just described one of the primary requirements if you want to be in politics: See every event, good or bad, as an opportunity to score political points. And it's one of the reasons why I (as well as most people here, I surmise) aren't attracted to that field. Everything from Katrina to a terrorist attack to the shooting in Aurora Colorado is ripe for politicizing. I don't care what political party. Sad but true.

I separate Katrina and 9-11. To me a group of people is trying to do us harm. It's asymetrical. They spend thousands to our billions. They are going to get through somewhere somehow. The other is just simply Mother Nature. When help didn't come to Nawlins "THREE" days after the tragedy. Heads should have rolled. When people are told to go to the Superdome and then just forgotten. Big ass difference.

Maybe your partisanship will not allow you to see the difference. I can.

"Playing politics"?

Like the public pillorying of a guy who made a video nobody watched, because that doesn't conflict witht the "We know what we're doing in Libya and Al-Qaeda is in caves now" meme?

(10-17-2012 11:29 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I separate Katrina and 9-11. To me a group of people is trying to do us harm. It's asymetrical. They spend thousands to our billions. They are going to get through somewhere somehow. The other is just simply Mother Nature. When help didn't come to Nawlins "THREE" days after the tragedy. Heads should have rolled. When people are told to go to the Superdome and then just forgotten. Big ass difference.

Maybe your partisanship will not allow you to see the difference. I can.

Please tell me you reserve some of your outrage for that idiot Nagan and whoever Louisiana's governor was back then.

(10-17-2012 11:29 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I separate Katrina and 9-11. To me a group of people is trying to do us harm. It's asymetrical. They spend thousands to our billions. They are going to get through somewhere somehow. The other is just simply Mother Nature. When help didn't come to Nawlins "THREE" days after the tragedy. Heads should have rolled. When people are told to go to the Superdome and then just forgotten. Big ass difference.

Maybe your partisanship will not allow you to see the difference. I can.

Didn't you post not too long ago an article that blamed Bush for 9/11? So it seems to me you separate by if there is an R or D next to the guy in office name.

And we are talking about the Obama admin's reaction to it. They brought this on.

You might be confusing me with someone else Niner. I was always pissed at Cheney and Rummy for using 9-11 to go into Iraq. Iraq is where W dropped the ball. Letting Cheney and Rummy set the agenda in foreign policy 2003-2006 was his downfall. The GOP's downfall too. You just haven't realized or won't admit it to yourself. The GOP has to conquer that demon. It's going to live with them for a long long time.

I'm not aware of any article blaming W for 9-11. I have seen attacks of his response. Do you have a link?

Let TOGC slide on the 320 E.V. bet and take up a bet for 50 bucks on me posting an article on W responsible for 9-11. I feel terrible about egging that one on. I think it's going to be 291. He's not going to win Fl. or N.C. TOGC is going to lose that bet. Let him slide on that or take up this bet here.

(10-17-2012 11:40 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You might be confusing me with someone else Niner. I was always pissed at Cheney and Rummy for using 9-11 to go into Iraq. Iraq is where W dropped the ball. Letting Cheney and Rummy set the agenda in foreign policy 2003-2006 was his downfall. The GOP's downfall too. You just haven't realized or won't admit it to yourself. The GOP has to conquer that demon. It's going to live with them for a long long time.

My mistake Mach. It was RedwingRobert who posted it. I went back and checked.

And I have no illusions of the impact of Bush's foreign policy on the party.