(10-11-2012 02:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 01:44 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  I don't think bowls think about next year as it leaves too many variables to deal with. They want the money now. Its just my opinion, but I don't see any scenario where the Warhawks bring 40K to the NOB. As long as the records are close, I think the NOB takes the Cajuns and a known income.

Bowls probably don't usually think a year ahead but bowls also aren't usually in the situation that New Orleans could be in by taking a non-champion this year, thus locking them in to the champion next year sight unseen.

Anyhow when did Louisiana take 40k to New Orleans? SDSU may have only sold 2k, but there are locals(both individuals as well as businesses) who attend the game every year.

If memory serves, the original early allotment of tickets was around 10000 from the bowl to the Cajuns. Those were ones that are given to all schools to resell as part of their bowl payout. If you sell them, you keep the money, if not you lose it. They then agreed to give the Cajuns another 8000 tickets to sell where they kept a percentage of the profits. When those sold out, they wouldn't provide any more tickets to the Cajuns so you had to buy through the ticketing service (Ticketmaster I think). Beside the ticketing service sales, there were Cajun fans who were buying SDST tickets that were returned unsold, and they were renting suites in the Superdome that were available. Some groups rented suites because it was cheaper than buying 25-50 tickets for the game and you got a catered service with drinks. I couldn't say that the Cajuns would definitely bring that many again, but I also couldn't say they'd wouldn't bring more either.

(10-11-2012 02:36 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 02:23 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 01:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The hedging bets is the best possible explanation I've seen of a scenario in which NOB would be foolish to take Louisiana over ULM, if ULM captures at least a share of the title and Louisiana does not, you'd be a fool to take Louisiana, unless you believe Cajuns fans will sell more tickets than ULM by a larger margin than ULM might outsells a champion next season from outside of Louisiana. Take a champion in ULM this year and you're free to take whomever next year, likely Louisiana, even if they were to finish third in conference, so long as they have six wins of course.

Actaully, NOB would be hedging their bets if they took UL over ULM. Fact, UL sold the most season tickets in the SBC this season. UL has an established record with the NOB, ULM does not. Everything else is either opinon or speculation. Depending upon the matchup, my bet is UL can deliver more income to the NOB then ULM. I can back that by with last years numbers and the fact that SDst. only sold 2,000 tickets.

No one is debating whether or not Louisiana would bring more fans this season, the problem is, if they take a non-champion Louisiana this year, they've locked themselves in to taking the champion next season sight unseen. They could take a champion ULM this year and take a small decrease in ticket sales over what Louisiana might bring this year, but free themseleves to take whomever they wish next year and avoid a potential ticket disaster next year if a team from.much further away or with a smaller fanbase were to win the conference. What's better, getting Louisiana's 35k this year and possibly having to take Middle/Western/Arkansas State or.whomever next year who might bring 15k, or take ULM and perhaps get only 25k this year but be free to take Louisiana next year and get another big crowd.

Sure, but your assumption is they would benefit by looking ahead to next year and passing up the opportunity to surpass last year's numbers for next years possible SBC Champion. I'm not sure they operating that way, in fact every discussion that has taken place with UL officials indicate they do not. If UL is not the SBC Champion but is bowl eligible and the champion is placed in a bowl first, they will more then likely take the program that can almost guarantee them last years success. Now, UL sold its allotment and requested an additional 8,000 which were sold as well. So we know for sure that the UL program sold 18,000 bowl tickets. No other program in the Sun Belt has come close to that number. Why would bowl executives pass up an almost certain financial return this year, for a possible opportunity next year? Is it possible? Sure! Is it practical? No!

Until UL is bowl eligible, it really doesn't matter. There is just too much that can happen with the meat of the SBC schedule yet to be played. But lets revisit your suggestion if or when UL is bowl eligible and we can take a more serious look at what direction the NO Bowl might go at that point.

If by hedging a bet your are bypassing a sure thing...you made a terrible hedge...and you should have your head checked.

(10-11-2012 06:35 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  If by hedging a bet your are bypassing a sure thing...you made a terrible hedge...and you should have your head checked.

I've never felt more at peace with my own reasoning then after hearing your disagreement. You're not looking at the big picture. This year they're likely going to have the option of talking either one of Louisiana or ulm who due to proximity both are safe bets and while yes, Louisiana has the more established fanbase, ulm will have the first bowl thing working in their favor. If they go for the ticket grab this year, they could find themselves bound to taking someone who won't travel nearly as well next year. What if fau has a turnaround next year like western had last year and they take it one step further and actually win the conference? It's highly unlikely, but no one saw western's 2011 season coming either. Would taking Louisiana this year still be worth it if they got saddled with the owls next year?

(10-11-2012 06:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 06:35 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  If by hedging a bet your are bypassing a sure thing...you made a terrible hedge...and you should have your head checked.

I've never felt more at peace with my own reasoning then after hearing your disagreement. You're not looking at the big picture. This year they're likely going to have the option of talking either one of Louisiana or ulm who due to proximity both are safe bets and while yes, Louisiana has the more established fanbase, ulm will have the first bowl thing working in their favor. If they go for the ticket grab this year, they could find themselves bound to taking someone who won't travel nearly as well next year. What if fau has a turnaround next year like western had last year and they take it one step further and actually win the conference? It's highly unlikely, but no one saw western's 2011 season coming either. Would taking Louisiana this year still be worth it if they got saddled with the owls next year?

OK then let's go a bit further...let's say WKU wins the conference...does the New Orleans Bowl hedge their bet and take WKU instead of one of the two sure bets just to have the option to take the sure bet next year? Why defer a sure bet, when you have no guarantee that either UL or ULM will be bowl eligible next season? I hope you are still feeling "at peace"...

(10-11-2012 03:08 PM)MTowho Wrote:  Honestly this bowl season will be the most hectic we've ever had, so who knows how it'll work out. Can't wait to see the late November Arkstfan posts about potential sites/matchups.

Probably need another two weeks worth games if not three to get a feel for it.

My gut feeling based on the early numbers is that every eligible 6-6 and better makes a bowl this year and there will be much joy among UTSA fans because I think they are going to get called up to fill a gap and that joy won't last much past kickoff of whatever game they make.

The horse trading will be fast and furious.

Bottom line.

As soon as Louisiana gets their seventh win, they will be accepting an invite to the New Orleans Bowl.

(10-12-2012 09:49 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 03:08 PM)MTowho Wrote:  Honestly this bowl season will be the most hectic we've ever had, so who knows how it'll work out. Can't wait to see the late November Arkstfan posts about potential sites/matchups.

Probably need another two weeks worth games if not three to get a feel for it.

My gut feeling based on the early numbers is that every eligible 6-6 and better makes a bowl this year and there will be much joy among UTSA fans because I think they are going to get called up to fill a gap and that joy won't last much past kickoff of whatever game they make.

The horse trading will be fast and furious.

Cajunhawk, I agree that if there is a tie between ULM and ULL for the championship that the NOLA BOwl takes the Cajuns, but your argument that what if WKU wins do the hedge their bet with them makes no sense. Of course not. WKU is a bad scenario for the bowl and would be what they are wanting to avoid next year by taking a SBC champ Warhawk team this year. Totally different scenario with WKU. No offense intended Topper fans.

(10-12-2012 10:13 AM)Arrowhead Wrote:  

(10-12-2012 09:49 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 03:08 PM)MTowho Wrote:  Honestly this bowl season will be the most hectic we've ever had, so who knows how it'll work out. Can't wait to see the late November Arkstfan posts about potential sites/matchups.

Probably need another two weeks worth games if not three to get a feel for it.

My gut feeling based on the early numbers is that every eligible 6-6 and better makes a bowl this year and there will be much joy among UTSA fans because I think they are going to get called up to fill a gap and that joy won't last much past kickoff of whatever game they make.

The horse trading will be fast and furious.

Cajunhawk, I agree that if there is a tie between ULM and ULL for the championship that the NOLA BOwl takes the Cajuns, but your argument that what if WKU wins do the hedge their bet with them makes no sense. Of course not. WKU is a bad scenario for the bowl and would be what they are wanting to avoid next year by taking a SBC champ Warhawk team this year. Totally different scenario with WKU. No offense intended Topper fans.

If WKU is conference champion, that means they finish no worse than 10-2 (I can't fathom the conference champ having more than 1 conference loss). The NOLA bowl should invite them, but Western should also be free to see if they can find a closer (more lucrative bowl). Under this circumstance, the winner of UL v. ULM on November 3rd probably has the better argument for the NO Bowl, but once WKU is released by the NOB, the NOB is going to go for money.

IF ULM wins the SBC, the NO Bowl will invite them.

(10-12-2012 10:09 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Bottom line.

As soon as Louisiana gets their seventh win, they will be accepting an invite to the New Orleans Bowl.

Well that settles that...

(10-12-2012 12:09 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-12-2012 10:09 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Bottom line.

As soon as Louisiana gets their seventh win, they will be accepting an invite to the New Orleans Bowl.

Well that settles that...

Well we all know everyone makes well reasoned decisions, like Troy throwing a fit not wanting to play in Mobile.

(10-12-2012 01:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2012 12:09 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-12-2012 10:09 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Bottom line.

As soon as Louisiana gets their seventh win, they will be accepting an invite to the New Orleans Bowl.

Well that settles that...

Well we all know everyone makes well reasoned decisions, like Troy throwing a fit not wanting to play in Mobile.

I am pretty sure that what I post here is pretty much accurate----UL was able to keep $750,000 which is part of the tickets they sold---They sold more than that amount but their income was capped at that amount----The bowl did give some expense money of I think somewhere in the $50K range----Now compare that to Miss Southern going to Hawaii or tech to San Diego with their expenses it becomes a very easy choice---Also realize that S Miss and Tech sold no tickets ergo no income----Our fans could see us --our recruits could go to the game----We will be "Way down yonder in New Orleans" come NO Bowl Day!!! The question is whom would we play???

(10-11-2012 01:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The hedging bets is the best possible explanation I've seen of a scenario in which NOB would be foolish to take Louisiana over ULM, if ULM captures at least a share of the title and Louisiana does not, you'd be a fool to take Louisiana, unless you believe Cajuns fans will sell more tickets than ULM by a larger margin than ULM might outsells a champion next season from outside of Louisiana. Take a champion in ULM this year and you're free to take whomever next year, likely Louisiana, even if they were to finish third in conference, so long as they have six wins of course.

Bowl people do not hedge their bets. They take the best thing for them this year. The best thing for them this year is clearly a winning Cajuns team, with a large fan base within 2.5 hours of the stadium, and the most alumni in the area except for the recently changed UNO to the ULS from the LSUS.

I know the WarHawks don't want to hear it, but you just gotta look at the TooLame game where what a couple of hundred came to town. Yea, that spells apathy or cheapness after such a solid start to the season.

UL will sell between 15-25 k tickets, and a lot more interest from the locals. ULM will sell 8-12k tickets, and no local support. That is not the Cajuns fault, it IS the fan base ULM has.

(10-11-2012 02:43 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 02:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 01:44 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  I don't think bowls think about next year as it leaves too many variables to deal with. They want the money now. Its just my opinion, but I don't see any scenario where the Warhawks bring 40K to the NOB. As long as the records are close, I think the NOB takes the Cajuns and a known income.

Bowls probably don't usually think a year ahead but bowls also aren't usually in the situation that New Orleans could be in by taking a non-champion this year, thus locking them in to the champion next year sight unseen.

Anyhow when did Louisiana take 40k to New Orleans? SDSU may have only sold 2k, but there are locals(both individuals as well as businesses) who attend the game every year.

And last year they were ALL in Cajuns red. We have a huge alumni base in New Orleans, more than any in other city not named Lafayette. Much of the local crowd at last year's game were Cajun alums and their friends/families.

VO, I think Houston may now have more alumni than New Orleans. You gotta go where the jobs are.

(10-11-2012 06:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 06:35 PM)cajunhawk Wrote:  If by hedging a bet your are bypassing a sure thing...you made a terrible hedge...and you should have your head checked.

I've never felt more at peace with my own reasoning then after hearing your disagreement. You're not looking at the big picture. This year they're likely going to have the option of talking either one of Louisiana or ulm who due to proximity both are safe bets and while yes, Louisiana has the more established fanbase, ulm will have the first bowl thing working in their favor. If they go for the ticket grab this year, they could find themselves bound to taking someone who won't travel nearly as well next year. What if fau has a turnaround next year like western had last year and they take it one step further and actually win the conference? It's highly unlikely, but no one saw western's 2011 season coming either. Would taking Louisiana this year still be worth it if they got saddled with the owls next year?

Well if you want to play a long shot FAU next year, we can also play the no UL, no MoanROE, no ASU, no Middle next year even being available for any bowl. Then you would still be stuck with FAU, or worse and not have gotten the big dollars this year. New Orleans Bowl bringing in two non Sun Belt teams would be pretty bad even if one of them is TooLame.

Really the point is with the expected and delivered fans from last year, UL is the logical and best bet for the bowl, the conference, and the university.

It seems to me your argument is " I got it right, you know NO Bowl will do what might, maybe better next year instead of this year."

(10-15-2012 01:17 PM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 01:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The hedging bets is the best possible explanation I've seen of a scenario in which NOB would be foolish to take Louisiana over ULM, if ULM captures at least a share of the title and Louisiana does not, you'd be a fool to take Louisiana, unless you believe Cajuns fans will sell more tickets than ULM by a larger margin than ULM might outsells a champion next season from outside of Louisiana. Take a champion in ULM this year and you're free to take whomever next year, likely Louisiana, even if they were to finish third in conference, so long as they have six wins of course.

Bowl people do not hedge their bets. They take the best thing for them this year. The best thing for them this year is clearly a winning Cajuns team, with a large fan base within 2.5 hours of the stadium, and the most alumni in the area except for the recently changed UNO to the ULS from the LSUS.

I know the WarHawks don't want to hear it, but you just gotta look at the TooLame game where what a couple of hundred came to town. Yea, that spells apathy or cheapness after such a solid start to the season.

UL will sell between 15-25 k tickets, and a lot more interest from the locals. ULM will sell 8-12k tickets, and no local support. That is not the Cajuns fault, it IS the fan base ULM has.

Ok.

(10-15-2012 01:17 PM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 01:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The hedging bets is the best possible explanation I've seen of a scenario in which NOB would be foolish to take Louisiana over ULM, if ULM captures at least a share of the title and Louisiana does not, you'd be a fool to take Louisiana, unless you believe Cajuns fans will sell more tickets than ULM by a larger margin than ULM might outsells a champion next season from outside of Louisiana. Take a champion in ULM this year and you're free to take whomever next year, likely Louisiana, even if they were to finish third in conference, so long as they have six wins of course.

Bowl people do not hedge their bets. They take the best thing for them this year. The best thing for them this year is clearly a winning Cajuns team, with a large fan base within 2.5 hours of the stadium, and the most alumni in the area except for the recently changed UNO to the ULS from the LSUS.

I know the WarHawks don't want to hear it, but you just gotta look at the TooLame game where what a couple of hundred came to town. Yea, that spells apathy or cheapness after such a solid start to the season.

UL will sell between 15-25 k tickets, and a lot more interest from the locals. ULM will sell 8-12k tickets, and no local support. That is not the Cajuns fault, it IS the fan base ULM has.

On the ULM board one guy was saying that the hotels etc in New Orleans would rather ULM since (in his theory) the ULM fans would actually stay and spend money, while the UL fans just round trip it.....

Poor deluded soul.

ULM is having their best season ever in FBS and they had 16,782 at their last home game...4 of them being Duck Commanders...THIS is the reason the Cajuns will be picked over the Warhawks for New Orleans bowl regardless of who wins the conference.

(10-15-2012 03:26 PM)charliek Wrote:  

(10-15-2012 01:17 PM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 01:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The hedging bets is the best possible explanation I've seen of a scenario in which NOB would be foolish to take Louisiana over ULM, if ULM captures at least a share of the title and Louisiana does not, you'd be a fool to take Louisiana, unless you believe Cajuns fans will sell more tickets than ULM by a larger margin than ULM might outsells a champion next season from outside of Louisiana. Take a champion in ULM this year and you're free to take whomever next year, likely Louisiana, even if they were to finish third in conference, so long as they have six wins of course.

Bowl people do not hedge their bets. They take the best thing for them this year. The best thing for them this year is clearly a winning Cajuns team, with a large fan base within 2.5 hours of the stadium, and the most alumni in the area except for the recently changed UNO to the ULS from the LSUS.

I know the WarHawks don't want to hear it, but you just gotta look at the TooLame game where what a couple of hundred came to town. Yea, that spells apathy or cheapness after such a solid start to the season.

UL will sell between 15-25 k tickets, and a lot more interest from the locals. ULM will sell 8-12k tickets, and no local support. That is not the Cajuns fault, it IS the fan base ULM has.

On the ULM board one guy was saying that the hotels etc in New Orleans would rather ULM since (in his theory) the ULM fans would actually stay and spend money, while the UL fans just round trip it.....

Poor deluded soul.

My daughter in law sells major conventions for the Hyatt in New Orleans, and is very high on the local management food chain. They loved, loved the UL experience. We were a major success for that hotel. Oh, yea I can see them right now, no,no don't get those crazy ass Cajuns again pissin and $hitting doe all over the city.

You can't blame the ULM fans for not really understanding things.