(10-09-2012 08:13 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  How is it ironic, I never once called you a name or made personal attacks. Its not that serious. Listen, if you don't like my opinion ignore or say "fu-- you" I would respect that more than you making personal attacks with this childish name calling. You don't have to like my opinion, and I don't care that much about your because I don't know you. Just like I don't care about your personal opinion of me.

Huh, I guess you have a poor memory also. I remember you busting out with this:

(10-08-2012 10:03 PM)fusion1906 Wrote:  But I guess when louisville and horse racing are all you have I can understand your feelings of grandeur when your team has a successful season.

Negative stereotypes aren't personal attacks to you?

You are free to express your opinions however you see fit. Just as I am free to then psychoanalyze you based on them.

Called it! LOL I knew this was going to happen. This one can't be pinned on the Cardinal fans though, the OP should have known better.

(10-09-2012 09:01 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  ...as this was a very good topic...which, as with soooo many threads...turned into one giant b-tch session.

Not sure if serious...

(10-09-2012 10:05 AM)CardinalZen Wrote:  

(10-09-2012 09:01 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  ...as this was a very good topic...which, as with soooo many threads...turned into one giant b-tch session.

Not sure if serious...

(10-08-2012 02:14 PM)fusion1906 Wrote:  http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2012/10/...s-big-east

He seems a lot more knowledgeable than his fan base.

Yeah...very good topic...wutever.

(10-08-2012 05:43 PM)fusion1906 Wrote:  

(10-08-2012 03:50 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  Not all Louisville fans are down on the Big East. We want it to succeed, with A new fat contract. We are unhappy with the lack off leadership from past commissioners. What you are seeing in comments from Louisville fans is frustration. We have paid good money, for tickets to games so the Louisville BOT can build up our athletic program, to be competitive with the elite football programs in the country. Now we are very close, to be looking from the outside again an it's not A good feeling. All that hard work for nothing.

Listen, I could careless about your fanbase. I grew up in NYC, on the big east, BE basketball was religion in our house. Ive been to the tournament and saw Alonzo Mourning, Billy Owens battle. I've been a fan of the Anthony Avents and Terry Dehere, I watched Rick Pitino coached Billy Dovovan and providence to the final four. I just missed the Mark Jackson and Patrick Ewing era but my father spoke of it like it was the mission to the moon. I lived and breathed this conference growing up. I've watched and cheered for this league when Louisville was playing in some rundown stadium on a dirt field ( according to Tom Jackson). You guys make a couple of nice bowls and all of a sudden you're too good for the league.

I for one was happy when you guys got invited to the league and genuinely cheered for you guys. I rooted for you guys against Miami and Kentucky. I called Petrino a traitor like the rest of you when he left. I hated the Kragthorpe era as much as you guys and I cheered when you guys hired Charlie Strong. Until this year, I rooted for louisville to do well as I did for every other BE team. But as I've said, i'm from NYC, we value loyalty and respect, and there is a sense of pride here you won't find in many other cities. We stand up for our own against all others and once you attack one, you're the enemy of all. This city is fiercely loyal, its in our blood. So when your fanbase start bashing the league after we gave you a bigger stage and brighter spotlight it a slap in the face to all the fans who root for this conference. And to so openly bash the conference when you guys did nothing for 3 years to help, you failed to see your contribution to the state the conference is in. And then after a 7-6 season, all of a sudden you're better than everyone else? Enjoy whatever success you're having now, as the Kragthorpe era shows, cellar dweller is just a bad coaching hire around the corner.

Look I stopped reading your post after the first sentence,because it's obvious that you do care about the Louisville fan base or you wouldn't have made this thread.

(10-09-2012 09:58 AM)CardinalZen Wrote:  

(10-09-2012 08:13 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  How is it ironic, I never once called you a name or made personal attacks. Its not that serious. Listen, if you don't like my opinion ignore or say "fu-- you" I would respect that more than you making personal attacks with this childish name calling. You don't have to like my opinion, and I don't care that much about your because I don't know you. Just like I don't care about your personal opinion of me.

Huh, I guess you have a poor memory also. I remember you busting out with this:

(10-08-2012 10:03 PM)fusion1906 Wrote:  But I guess when louisville and horse racing are all you have I can understand your feelings of grandeur when your team has a successful season.

Negative stereotypes aren't personal attacks to you?

You are free to express your opinions however you see fit. Just as I am free to then psychoanalyze you based on them.

I chose to ignore your so called psychoanalysis because its severely flawed by the very nature of the reason we are all here. We are fans of something. You louisville and me the big east. To call me clingy because I don't root for teams who left the conference misses the point of being a fan. Take for instance the louisville fan base who cheered and laughed at the embarrassing situation Bobby Petrino found himself in, is that clingy or is that being a fan of louisville and seeing karma come back on him. Or what about the message board trashing on Demarcus Smith when he decided it was "a business decision" or Ace Wales or The kid who decided to go to USC because he " didn't a lame degree." Or those who follow these recruits or players on facebook and twitter. Most fans root for their team and against opponents , I don't make it personal. I grew up on the big east, I root for the big east and I root against teams left or people who put down the big east.

I never make it about an individual. I don't root for players to get hurt, I don't personally attack opposing players or players from other conferences, and it gives me no joy when players from other teams in other conferences make the news for something other than their athletic ability.
I genuinely felt sorrow for what happened at VT and my heart went out to Bill Stewart and his family when he passed. See, so you psychoanalysis is completely off base. I am a perfectly healthy and well adjusted fan. Compare to the people in KC cheering Matt Cassell's injury or fans on message boards who think that every other program in the country run a safe haven for thugs and criminals except their own and delight at opportunities to knock other teams players as less than perfect human beings.

Secondly, there are delusions of grandeur at Louisville, to hear many on your fans talk you would think you were Alabama or even USC. And wait, I thought the majority of the state got up for horse racing and delighted in being known for that. Sorry, will never call you guys the horse racing capital of the world again.

(10-09-2012 11:12 AM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(10-08-2012 05:43 PM)fusion1906 Wrote:  

(10-08-2012 03:50 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  Not all Louisville fans are down on the Big East. We want it to succeed, with A new fat contract. We are unhappy with the lack off leadership from past commissioners. What you are seeing in comments from Louisville fans is frustration. We have paid good money, for tickets to games so the Louisville BOT can build up our athletic program, to be competitive with the elite football programs in the country. Now we are very close, to be looking from the outside again an it's not A good feeling. All that hard work for nothing.

Listen, I could careless about your fanbase. I grew up in NYC, on the big east, BE basketball was religion in our house. Ive been to the tournament and saw Alonzo Mourning, Billy Owens battle. I've been a fan of the Anthony Avents and Terry Dehere, I watched Rick Pitino coached Billy Dovovan and providence to the final four. I just missed the Mark Jackson and Patrick Ewing era but my father spoke of it like it was the mission to the moon. I lived and breathed this conference growing up. I've watched and cheered for this league when Louisville was playing in some rundown stadium on a dirt field ( according to Tom Jackson). You guys make a couple of nice bowls and all of a sudden you're too good for the league.

I for one was happy when you guys got invited to the league and genuinely cheered for you guys. I rooted for you guys against Miami and Kentucky. I called Petrino a traitor like the rest of you when he left. I hated the Kragthorpe era as much as you guys and I cheered when you guys hired Charlie Strong. Until this year, I rooted for louisville to do well as I did for every other BE team. But as I've said, i'm from NYC, we value loyalty and respect, and there is a sense of pride here you won't find in many other cities. We stand up for our own against all others and once you attack one, you're the enemy of all. This city is fiercely loyal, its in our blood. So when your fanbase start bashing the league after we gave you a bigger stage and brighter spotlight it a slap in the face to all the fans who root for this conference. And to so openly bash the conference when you guys did nothing for 3 years to help, you failed to see your contribution to the state the conference is in. And then after a 7-6 season, all of a sudden you're better than everyone else? Enjoy whatever success you're having now, as the Kragthorpe era shows, cellar dweller is just a bad coaching hire around the corner.

Look I stopped reading your post after the first sentence,because it's obvious that you do care about the Louisville fan base or you wouldn't have made this thread.

Thank you for being honest. I will leave it at that because I don't really know how to respond to that without seeming like a complete jerk. I have nothing against individuals on this board but I have a problem with such a large segments of your fan base bashing the conference. And I may be wrong it may not be such a large segment but a minority who has a very loud voice but it comes across louder than those who support the league

(10-09-2012 12:37 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-08-2012 10:00 PM)CardinalZen Wrote:  

(10-08-2012 09:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-08-2012 09:05 PM)CardinalZen Wrote:  So, what you are saying is that even if Louisville just went ahead and disbanded football upon joining the Big East, we would still have contributed more to the Big East than your primary rooting affiliation over that same period?

Do I have this correct?

Oh I see, when UofL pulls a "Kragthorpe" they get a pass, but when someone else does they haven't contributed.

I only want the same consideration as everyone else. You, and many others, keep saying STFU because we sucked on the football field the last few years, ignoring the fundamental strength of our athletic department.

Now you are complaining when I shine that same spotlight on your program. So, which is it? Are recent results in the major sports the only important measure of conference contribution or not?

Pick one and stick to it. I'm getting whiplash keeping up with the flip flopping. Or is it possible that you are a flaming hypocrite? Or maybe just too slow to recognize a double standard when you see one?

(10-08-2012 09:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  We have done a whole lot for this league while you were still playing in that dirt lot and contemplating actually disbanding your Football program.

Said the fan of the school that doesn't even participate in football.

Can we at least make it a rule that fans of non-football schools keep their traps shut instead of being critical about football playing schools? Thank you.

(10-08-2012 09:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  We are one of the all time wins leaders in NCAA history, and while we have had a down decade because of two poor coaching choices it is clear to everyone that we are on our way back. Even with only 6 scholarship players last year we still put a kid in the NBA and he wasn't even the freshman of the year in the league (that kid is coming back to us this season).

It sucks when your basketball team sucks. It really sucks when your basketball team sucks worse than a Kragthorpe coached Louisville football team. That's like the ultimate suckitude. Condolences.

So, I'm confused. You are defending your teams recent lack of success while attacking ours. Tell me again, is this in or out of bounds?

(10-08-2012 09:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  All I really have to say is that you are currently in our greatest contribution to the conference. The league itself is our legacy.

Huh. Here I was thinking the whole thing belonged to Providence. I guess I didn't get the memo. Do you have your notarized title available for inspection?

(10-08-2012 09:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  How did it go when you guys tried to start a league? You thought you were better than everyone else and didn't want to share money and the league never got off the ground. Looks like three decades later you guys still have the same arrogance that doomed the Metro Conference.

You do realize that Va Tech, South Carolina, and Florida State were in that conference right? And you do realize they did NOT want to share any of their football money right? Why would Louisville commit to sharing basketball money in a Metro conference, where none of the football powers were on board to share their football money? Explain that one to me.

Also, it was still viable to be an independent in football. You can look at some of our football schedules from that era, Temple, Pitt, Penn State, WVU, etc. None of those schools were in a conference either. I guess they sucked too? Seriously, none of them could measure up to St. Johns, right?

We were unique in that we made boat loads of money with basketball, so we didn't have to be in a football league. When the age of independents came to a close, we were successful in our first and only attempt at starting a football playing league, as we were a founding member of C-USA. And we then shared our basketball money with our new conference mates, just like a good conference mate does. Houston, SMU, and UCF can thank us next year as they join the nBE.

St. John's obviously existed on a higher plane of reality. The plane then known as TFPC, the Friends of Providence College. May I touch the hem of your robes?

hahahahahahahaha You gotta love people who can't win the argument so they have to resort to the "Well your schools doesn't even play football" line.

You resorted to "UC's uniforms are ugly" so you have no room to talk.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  

(10-09-2012 09:58 AM)CardinalZen Wrote:  

(10-09-2012 08:13 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  How is it ironic, I never once called you a name or made personal attacks. Its not that serious. Listen, if you don't like my opinion ignore or say "fu-- you" I would respect that more than you making personal attacks with this childish name calling. You don't have to like my opinion, and I don't care that much about your because I don't know you. Just like I don't care about your personal opinion of me.

Huh, I guess you have a poor memory also. I remember you busting out with this:

(10-08-2012 10:03 PM)fusion1906 Wrote:  But I guess when louisville and horse racing are all you have I can understand your feelings of grandeur when your team has a successful season.

Negative stereotypes aren't personal attacks to you?

You are free to express your opinions however you see fit. Just as I am free to then psychoanalyze you based on them.

I chose to ignore your so called psychoanalysis because its severely flawed by the very nature of the reason we are all here. We are fans of something. You louisville and me the big east. To call me clingy because I don't root for teams who left the conference misses the point of being a fan. Take for instance the louisville fan base who cheered and laughed at the embarrassing situation Bobby Petrino found himself in, is that clingy or is that being a fan of louisville and seeing karma come back on him. Or what about the message board trashing on Demarcus Smith when he decided it was "a business decision" or Ace Wales or The kid who decided to go to USC because he " didn't a lame degree." Or those who follow these recruits or players on facebook and twitter. Most fans root for their team and against opponents , I don't make it personal. I grew up on the big east, I root for the big east and I root against teams left or people who put down the big east.

I never make it about an individual. I don't root for players to get hurt, I don't personally attack opposing players or players from other conferences, and it gives me no joy when players from other teams in other conferences make the news for something other than their athletic ability.
I genuinely felt sorrow for what happened at VT and my heart went out to Bill Stewart and his family when he passed. See, so you psychoanalysis is completely off base. I am a perfectly healthy and well adjusted fan. Compare to the people in KC cheering Matt Cassell's injury or fans on message boards who think that every other program in the country run a safe haven for thugs and criminals except their own and delight at opportunities to knock other teams players as less than perfect human beings.

Secondly, there are delusions of grandeur at Louisville, to hear many on your fans talk you would think you were Alabama or even USC. And wait, I thought the majority of the state got up for horse racing and delighted in being known for that. Sorry, will never call you guys the horse racing capital of the world again.

Yeah but no one has ever said we were Alabama or USC. So don't put words in our mouths and don't provoke us with silly comments about our fanbase. You started it with your little jab in the original post and now you're getting your azz handed to you and are trying to seem like the good guy. Save it.

(10-08-2012 09:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Oh I see, when UofL pulls a "Kragthorpe" they get a pass, but when someone else does they haven't contributed.

this is about the only thing you have said that I agree with. Our fans do pul lthsi card way too much, as though it excuses anything, or erases what happened.

(10-08-2012 10:15 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Yeah, top ten all time wins only came in a decade and a half.

So, who are you trying to impress? Are you suggesting that historically, St. Johns would rank ahead of Louisville as a basketball power. Cincinnati? Syracuse? Connecticut (even on only 20 years at the top, they still rank higher). Georgetown? Villanova? Marquette? By nearly any unit of measurement, they all rank higher. Yes you are in the top ten all time in wins. Temple has more than St John's, so are they historically better that St. John's? Western Kentucky has a better winning percentage: are they better? Pennsylvania is also int he top ten: how do they rank?

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  I chose to ignore your so called psychoanalysis because its severely flawed by the very nature of the reason we are all here.

The only value of a psychoanalysis is what the patient chooses to do with the information. Sorry that I wasn't able to help you more. Maybe a free psychoanalysis is as good as what you pay for it?

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  We are fans of something. You louisville and me the big east. To call me clingy because I don't root for teams who left the conference misses the point of being a fan.

You are the one that wrote the dissertation about loyalty to the Big East and then kept adding your personal hopes that bad things should happen to those who left.

Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  Take for instance the louisville fan base who cheered and laughed at the embarrassing situation Bobby Petrino found himself in, is that clingy or is that being a fan of louisville and seeing karma come back on him. Or what about the message board trashing on Demarcus Smith when he decided it was "a business decision" or Ace Wales or The kid who decided to go to USC because he " didn't a lame degree." Or those who follow these recruits or players on facebook and twitter.

I actually rooted for Arkansas under Petrino, no hard feelings and all that. I'm sure there are some Louisville fans who could use some psychoanalysis over that situation. Just because there are psycho Louisville fans, doesn't mean you ain't psycho. Just sayin'.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  Most fans root for their team and against opponents , I don't make it personal.

You are one of the most passive aggressive posters around. You disparage folks' group affiliations, knowing that they will be offended, and then try to claim that it's nothing personal.

Dude! Bigotry IS personal! And your protestations otherwise are lame.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  I grew up on the big east, I root for the big east and I root against teams left or people who put down the big east.

Whatever. Don't try to claim your aren't more than a little obsessed about it though. One could even say clingy.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  I never make it about an individual. I don't root for players to get hurt, I don't personally attack opposing players or players from other conferences, and it gives me no joy when players from other teams in other conferences make the news for something other than their athletic ability.

I don't think I ever said or implied that you did.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  I genuinely felt sorrow for what happened at VT and my heart went out to Bill Stewart and his family when he passed. See, so you psychoanalysis is completely off base. I am a perfectly healthy and well adjusted fan.

Welcome to humanity. Though, we'll have to agree to disagree about the "perfectly healthy and well adjusted" part.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  Compare to the people in KC cheering Matt Cassell's injury or fans on message boards who think that every other program in the country run a safe haven for thugs and criminals except their own and delight at opportunities to knock other teams players as less than perfect human beings.

Some folks are bat $h!t crazy. How is this news?

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  Secondly, there are delusions of grandeur at Louisville,

It has always been thus. The old money doesn't like the ambitious new money. It's like what the English nobility used to say, "We don't talk about money. We just have it."

It's not about Louisville's delusions of grandeur, it's just that some folks don't like being confronted with Louisville's ambition.

Get over it already.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  to hear many on your fans talk you would think you were Alabama or even USC.

We don't think we are Alabama or USC. We plan to be BETTER than Alabama and USC. We WILL have the glory, without the cheating.

Why are you threatened by ambition? Any Louisville success takes nothing from you.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  And wait, I thought the majority of the state got up for horse racing and delighted in being known for that. Sorry, will never call you guys the horse racing capital of the world again.

See. This is just more of your passive aggressive BS. I'm not supposed to take it personally though, right?

(10-09-2012 06:40 PM)CardinalZen Wrote:  

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  I chose to ignore your so called psychoanalysis because its severely flawed by the very nature of the reason we are all here.

The only value of a psychoanalysis is what the patient chooses to do with the information. Sorry that I wasn't able to help you more. Maybe a free psychoanalysis is as good as what you pay for it?

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  We are fans of something. You louisville and me the big east. To call me clingy because I don't root for teams who left the conference misses the point of being a fan.

You are the one that wrote the dissertation about loyalty to the Big East and then kept adding your personal hopes that bad things should happen to those who left.

Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  Take for instance the louisville fan base who cheered and laughed at the embarrassing situation Bobby Petrino found himself in, is that clingy or is that being a fan of louisville and seeing karma come back on him. Or what about the message board trashing on Demarcus Smith when he decided it was "a business decision" or Ace Wales or The kid who decided to go to USC because he " didn't a lame degree." Or those who follow these recruits or players on facebook and twitter.

I actually rooted for Arkansas under Petrino, no hard feelings and all that. I'm sure there are some Louisville fans who could use some psychoanalysis over that situation. Just because there are psycho Louisville fans, doesn't mean you ain't psycho. Just sayin'.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  Most fans root for their team and against opponents , I don't make it personal.

You are one of the most passive aggressive posters around. You disparage folks' group affiliations, knowing that they will be offended, and then try to claim that it's nothing personal.

Dude! Bigotry IS personal! And your protestations otherwise are lame.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  I grew up on the big east, I root for the big east and I root against teams left or people who put down the big east.

Whatever. Don't try to claim your aren't more than a little obsessed about it though. One could even say clingy.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  I never make it about an individual. I don't root for players to get hurt, I don't personally attack opposing players or players from other conferences, and it gives me no joy when players from other teams in other conferences make the news for something other than their athletic ability.

I don't think I ever said or implied that you did.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  I genuinely felt sorrow for what happened at VT and my heart went out to Bill Stewart and his family when he passed. See, so you psychoanalysis is completely off base. I am a perfectly healthy and well adjusted fan.

Welcome to humanity. Though, we'll have to agree to disagree about the "perfectly healthy and well adjusted" part.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  Compare to the people in KC cheering Matt Cassell's injury or fans on message boards who think that every other program in the country run a safe haven for thugs and criminals except their own and delight at opportunities to knock other teams players as less than perfect human beings.

Some folks are bat $h!t crazy. How is this news?

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  Secondly, there are delusions of grandeur at Louisville,

It has always been thus. The old money doesn't like the ambitious new money. It's like what the English nobility used to say, "We don't talk about money. We just have it."

It's not about Louisville's delusions of grandeur, it's just that some folks don't like being confronted with Louisville's ambition.

Get over it already.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  to hear many on your fans talk you would think you were Alabama or even USC.

We don't think we are Alabama or USC. We plan to be BETTER than Alabama and USC. We WILL have the glory, without the cheating.

Why are you threatened by ambition? Any Louisville success takes nothing from you.

(10-09-2012 11:48 AM)fusion1906 Wrote:  And wait, I thought the majority of the state got up for horse racing and delighted in being known for that. Sorry, will never call you guys the horse racing capital of the world again.

See. This is just more of your passive aggressive BS. I'm not supposed to take it personally though, right?

(10-08-2012 09:00 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-08-2012 07:59 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(10-08-2012 07:55 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(10-08-2012 07:35 PM)Maize Wrote:  In the Sports that you do "care about" very recent history:

1. Football...2011 BIG EAST Co-Champion with UC & WVU...currently undefeated and in the AP & Coaches Poll Top 20 & the highest ranked team from the BIG EAST in both polls.
2. 2011-2012 BIG EAST Tournament Men's Basketball Champion & 2012 Final Four...Co-Favorites with Indiana according to Vegas to win the 2012-2013 Men's Basketball Title.

It is what it is...get over it.

Im sorry, but that "co-championship" really isn't that impressive to me. It keeps getting thrown around by UofL fans but a 7-6 season is not one to celebrate or brag about.

Don't care if it impresses you or not...fact is the BIG EAST gave Louisville, Cincinnati & West Virginia BIG EAST Football Championship Trophies...we split the 1st place $$$$ evenly with our 5-2 BIG EAST Record in 2011...it was 1-1 record between the 3 schools with Louisville being the last team to beat WVU in about a year in Morgantown & we are the highest rank team in the Current & Future BIG EAST in 2012 & unbeaten.

Don't like it...get over it...juz sayn.

You were 7-6, stop bragging, get over it...juz sayn

You can brag when you got a BIG EAST 2006 & 2011 Championship Trophy regardless of overall record and especially against a fan of a school that has never beaten the current Football coach.

Call us 7-6 or whatever....we won something twice that a "Original Member" has never won...maybe next time you are in for a game just visit the Schnellenburger Complex and you will see what a BIG EAST Football Trophy Lokks like...both the 06 & 11 versions...juz sayn