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Just read about a USA cop shooting a naked 18 year old freshman? Killed him apparently.
10-07-2012 12:35 PM
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University of South Alabama officer shoots and kills student
By Thyrie Bland | tbland@al.com

A University of South Alabama student was nude and acting erratically early this morning before a university officer fatally shot him outside the campus police station.
The officer shot Gilbert Thomas Collar, 18, of Wetumpka, one time in the chest, USA spokesman Keith Ayers said during a news conference this afternoon on the campus.


Keith Ayers, a University of South Alabama spokesman, reads a statement about an university officer-involved shooting that left a student dead.
The officer, whose name has not been released, has been placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation.


The University has asked the District Attorney's Office to investigate the shooting. The Mobile County Sheriff's Office will help with the investigation.
The university held a news conference outside the police station at 3 p.m. today. Ayers read from a prepared statement.
He would not answer questions about if it is suspected that Collar was under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
"We can't comment beyond the statement," he said.


The officer encountered Collar after there was a loud bang on a west side window of the police station at 1:23 a.m. today.
"When an officer exited the station to investigate, he was confronted by a muscular, nude man who was acting erratically," Ayers said. "The man repeatedly rushed toward the officer and verbally challenged the officer in a fighting stance."
The officer drew his gun and ordered Collar to stop, Ayers said.
"The officer retreated numerous times in an attempt to calm the situation," Ayers said. "The individual continued to press toward the officer in a threatening manner."


Collar kneeled for a brief moment before rising and then rushing and chasing the retreating officer, Ayers said.
He said the officer shot Collar after the student continued to rush the officer in a threatening manner and ignored the officer's commands to stop.
"The individual fell to the ground, but he got up once more and continued to challenge the officer further before collapsing and expiring," Ayers said.
A few students gathered outside the police station during the news conference. Some were concerned that the officer shot and killed Collar.


Macy Meadows, 19, of Fairhope, said when she arrived on campus early Saturday morning an officer was not allowing traffic near the police station.
She said she had to park and walk to her dormitory. At the time, she said she didn't realize there had been a shooting on campus. She said she later received an email from the university in regards to the shooting.
"If he didn't have a weapon, I feel like he shouldn't have been shot," said Meadows, a sophomore.


Kinsey Miller, 19, of Pace, Fla., said she considers the campus to be safe, but she has concerns that are similar to Meadows.
"I don't think it was handled properly," she said. "It makes me feel real differently about how police handles situations on campus."
10-07-2012 12:44 PM
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This is a horrible thing, wonder why they don't carry tasers on campus at USA??? Unless the ACLU decided they were inhumane.
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Tasers won't work on someone messed up on drugs which is what seems to be the case here. We'll see what the investigation shows.

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this guy isn't even on drugs

WARNING NSFW LANGUAGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DdvkLhdAJE
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How can a taser NOT work on someone under the influence of drugs? electricity forces the muscles in the body to seize up, rendering the individual helpless. It has nothing to do with the brain, which is where drugs would offer resistence to other methods such as mace.
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Drugs that hyperpolarize neurons. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you probably shouldn't comment. Not being an ass, I just don't like getting into sciency physiology debates with people who have no background in it.
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(10-07-2012 01:01 PM)Usajags Wrote:  This is a horrible thing, wonder why they don't carry tasers on campus at USA??? Unless the ACLU decided they were inhumane.

Not all officers carry tasers because they have to be certified to carry them. Certification involves being shot with one. I was told that by someone that is certified. With that being said, I have always believed that the use of deadly force is overused, in many cases, because "someone" is afraid to take an ass-whippin'. Instead of working on their self-defense and toughening up, some officers take the easy way out. There are other forms of non-lethal force, such as mace, tasers, collapsible batons...the shooting should've never happened.
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I asked this question on another board:

How many of y'all would be OK with this if it were not a cop involved and just a normal citizen defending themselves?
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(10-07-2012 01:38 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  I asked this question on another board:

How many of y'all would be OK with this if it were not a cop involved and just a normal citizen defending themselves?

That isn't a very intelligent question because they are trained to handle these situations and regular citizens are not. He should have been trained not to pull his firearm first...it's a last resort kinda thing...
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(10-07-2012 01:46 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 01:38 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  I asked this question on another board:

How many of y'all would be OK with this if it were not a cop involved and just a normal citizen defending themselves?

That isn't a very intelligent question because they are trained to handle these situations and regular citizens are not. He should have been trained not to pull his firearm first...it's a last resort kinda thing...

If you read what I posted, he retreated and the individual still charged him. I am sympathetic towards LE because its in my family but I still don't think they have a duty to get into a fist fight or wrestling match with someone who obviously wants to fight.

I would have shot the guy dead too, I'm not going to condemn a cop for doing it.
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Terrible, get those cops some tasers or pepper spray
10-07-2012 01:56 PM
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(10-07-2012 01:31 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  Drugs that hyperpolarize neurons. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you probably shouldn't comment. Not being an ass, I just don't like getting into sciency physiology debates with people who have no background in it.

My wife is a biologist, she said I was right...that's why I went with it. You put enough volts through someone and they'll seize up.

What kind of drugs would do what you said to someone?
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(10-07-2012 01:59 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 01:31 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  Drugs that hyperpolarize neurons. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you probably shouldn't comment. Not being an ass, I just don't like getting into sciency physiology debates with people who have no background in it.

My wife is a biologist, she said I was right...that's why I went with it. You put enough volts through someone and they'll seize up.

What kind of drugs would do what you said to someone?

Your wife is completely correct, just there are drugs that counter the mechanism.

Dantrolene and other derivatives that decrease intra-cellular calcium release will counter a taze, as well as ones that inhibit calcium channels on the cell membrane. I can't comment on names of street drugs that do this because, simply put, its not what I do. I'm a pharmacy student.

But I guess my point is a taze isn't 100%, take a look at the video I posted. The explanation that the cop didn't HAVE a tazer is far more likely rather than him deciding to not use it.
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(10-07-2012 01:49 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 01:46 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 01:38 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  I asked this question on another board:

How many of y'all would be OK with this if it were not a cop involved and just a normal citizen defending themselves?

That isn't a very intelligent question because they are trained to handle these situations and regular citizens are not. He should have been trained not to pull his firearm first...it's a last resort kinda thing...

If you read what I posted, he retreated and the individual still charged him. I am sympathetic towards LE because its in my family but I still don't think they have a duty to get into a fist fight or wrestling match with someone who obviously wants to fight.

I would have shot the guy dead too, I'm not going to condemn a cop for doing it.

People like you and him should stay as far away from law enforcement as humanly possible because you don't get it.
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(10-07-2012 02:08 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 01:59 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 01:31 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  Drugs that hyperpolarize neurons. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you probably shouldn't comment. Not being an ass, I just don't like getting into sciency physiology debates with people who have no background in it.

My wife is a biologist, she said I was right...that's why I went with it. You put enough volts through someone and they'll seize up.

What kind of drugs would do what you said to someone?

Your wife is completely correct, just there are drugs that counter the mechanism.

Dantrolene and other derivatives that decrease intra-cellular calcium release will counter a taze, as well as ones that inhibit calcium channels on the cell membrane. I can't comment on names of street drugs that do this because, simply put, its not what I do. I'm a pharmacy student.

But I guess my point is a taze isn't 100%, take a look at the video I posted. The explanation that the cop didn't HAVE a tazer is far more likely rather than him deciding to not use it.

Well sounds like a good first option to avoid killing an unarmed kid
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(10-07-2012 02:12 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 01:49 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 01:46 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 01:38 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  I asked this question on another board:

How many of y'all would be OK with this if it were not a cop involved and just a normal citizen defending themselves?

That isn't a very intelligent question because they are trained to handle these situations and regular citizens are not. He should have been trained not to pull his firearm first...it's a last resort kinda thing...

If you read what I posted, he retreated and the individual still charged him. I am sympathetic towards LE because its in my family but I still don't think they have a duty to get into a fist fight or wrestling match with someone who obviously wants to fight.

I would have shot the guy dead too, I'm not going to condemn a cop for doing it.

People like you and him should stay as far away from law enforcement as humanly possible because you don't get it.

He wasn't enforcing a law, he was defending himself. I don't thinks cops deserve more rights than people, I also don't think cops should be held to higher standards. You and I will never agree as we have different views on life.

What if the dude in question wrestled the cops gun out of his holster and shot him with it? It's happened before. I don't see how the cop should risk his own life because an ADULT is threatening him.
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(10-07-2012 01:59 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 01:31 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  Drugs that hyperpolarize neurons. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you probably shouldn't comment. Not being an ass, I just don't like getting into sciency physiology debates with people who have no background in it.

My wife is a biologist, she said I was right...that's why I went with it. You put enough volts through someone and they'll seize up.

What kind of drugs would do what you said to someone?

You put enough volts in someone and you will kill them...

This incident comes on the heels of another incident where police were arresting a naked woman who was acting erratically. They tased her and she laughed at them and said "Is that all you have?" It took two men to get her subdued.

I was not there so I don't pretend to know the circumstances, but why should a police have to take an 'ass whooping' if the kid wanted to fight? According to the news reports that guy was well built and a wrestler in high school. If he was on some substance you never know what could happen. It took two men to subdue the one woman. And remember the bath salt incidents around the country? My question would be more like why didn't he try tasing or pepper spray FIRST... or was he the ONLY cop in the police station? Why not call for backup and get him subdued?
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Quote:Why not call for backup and get him subdued?

This is a legit complaint and what I want to know too. I am interested in the results of the investigation. Too little is known right now.
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(10-07-2012 02:18 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 01:59 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  
(10-07-2012 01:31 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  Drugs that hyperpolarize neurons. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you probably shouldn't comment. Not being an ass, I just don't like getting into sciency physiology debates with people who have no background in it.

My wife is a biologist, she said I was right...that's why I went with it. You put enough volts through someone and they'll seize up.

What kind of drugs would do what you said to someone?

You put enough volts in someone and you will kill them...

This incident comes on the heels of another incident where police were arresting a naked woman who was acting erratically. They tased her and she laughed at them and said "Is that all you have?" It took two men to get her subdued.

I was not there so I don't pretend to know the circumstances, but why should a police have to take an 'ass whooping' if the kid wanted to fight? According to the news reports that guy was well built and a wrestler in high school. If he was on some substance you never know what could happen. It took two men to subdue the one woman. And remember the bath salt incidents around the country? My question would be more like why didn't he try tasing or pepper spray FIRST... or was he the ONLY cop in the police station? Why not call for backup and get him subdued?

Clearly the cop should have put a bullet in her
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(10-07-2012 02:08 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  I'm a pharmacy student.

Oh that's cool. My cousin graduated from Samford's School of Pharmacy. He moved up to Alaska and now works with the native eskimo tribes as their pharmacist in Anchorage. He loves it up there.
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