(10-02-2012 03:35 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:30 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:20 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

Let me make it clearer for you....

You are nothing more than a run of the mill good team in the Big East...you will have to prove yourself. GTown, Louisville, UConn, Cincy, SJU, Nova, Marquette, etc... await...I'm sure they'll respect you but not fear you.

I don't mean any disrespect to your program but you are playing in a Big Boy League again.

Nope, didn't work.

You'll find out when the schedules are released and you are playing 8 straight against NCAA tournament caliber opponents. I am sure your fan base will be up in arms when you finish .500 in league play (which is still a pretty good season).

Is there a reason we shouldn't be up in arms?

(10-02-2012 03:39 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:35 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:30 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:20 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

Let me make it clearer for you....

You are nothing more than a run of the mill good team in the Big East...you will have to prove yourself. GTown, Louisville, UConn, Cincy, SJU, Nova, Marquette, etc... await...I'm sure they'll respect you but not fear you.

I don't mean any disrespect to your program but you are playing in a Big Boy League again.

Nope, didn't work.

You'll find out when the schedules are released and you are playing 8 straight against NCAA tournament caliber opponents. I am sure your fan base will be up in arms when you finish .500 in league play (which is still a pretty good season).

Is there a reason we shouldn't be up in arms?

Ahh, the Loserville and Cincy fans talking smack about Memphis basketball. The good ole days and rivalries are back!

Here's our record against all the Big East teams we have played in the past 6 seasons. We're 7-7 overall. Including a perfect 3-0 against the Bearcats and 1-0 against UConn, St. John's and Seton Hall. Not bad for a team playing against the physical Big East opposed to playing weak competition in C-USA conference.

06-07 vs Cincinnati 88-55 W
07-08 vs #8 Connecticut 81-70 W
07-08 @ Cincinnati 79-69 W
07-08 vs #5 Georgetown 85-71 W
08-09 vs Seton Hall 84-70 W
08-09 @ Georgetown 70-79 OT L
08-09 vs #11 Syracuse 65-72 L
08-09 vs Cincinnati 60-45 W
09-10 @ #7 Syracuse 57-74 L
09-10 vs St. Johns (NIT) 73-71 W
10-11 vs #9 Georgetown 69-86 L
11-12 vs Georgetown 88-91 OT L
11-12 @ #4 Louisville 87-95 L
11-12 @ Georgetown 59-70 L

This year, we have Louisville at home and could meet them in the 2nd round of the Battle For The Atlantis tournament in the Bahamas in November.

(10-02-2012 03:58 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:49 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  I still don't get how a team who went 26-9 last year, won it's conference, and will have 3 McDonald's AAs (one of which is considered a top 10 lottery pick), 4 of 5 starters returning, and the top incoming JUCO player who is eligible, with a very deep bench of experience and talent, can be ranked only #15. SMH

Do you want an honest answer? Your new coach has been there 3 seasons now and still hasn't beaten even [b]one team ranked in the Top 25.[/b] If you want to argue that you're Top 25, you have to prove that you're better than at least one team in the Top 25. Also, he's yet to win even one game in the NCAA tournament. If you want to argue you're Top 25, you should be able to make the Top 32 in the end-of-season tournament. If Memphis is as loaded as you say this season then they should probably break thru with some Top 25 & tourney wins, making this moot. However, given their recent history, #15 seems awfully generous.

That point is hard to argue...as Josh Pastner is now 0-12 vs Top 25 teams and NCAA Tourn games.

More have done with a lot less vs the "All-Americans" Pastner has been able to put on the court.

(10-02-2012 04:01 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  Ahh, the Loserville and Cincy fans talking smack about Memphis basketball. The good ole days and rivalries are back!

Here's our record against all the Big East teams we have played in the past 6 seasons. We're 7-7 overall. Including a perfect 3-0 against the Bearcats and 1-0 against UConn, St. John's and Seton Hall. Not bad for a team playing against the physical Big East opposed to playing weak competition in C-USA conference.

06-07 vs Cincinnati 88-55 W
07-08 vs #8 Connecticut 81-70 W
07-08 @ Cincinnati 79-69 W
07-08 vs #5 Georgetown 85-71 W
08-09 vs Seton Hall 84-70 W
08-09 @ Georgetown 70-79 OT L
08-09 vs #11 Syracuse 65-72 L
08-09 vs Cincinnati 60-45 W
09-10 @ #7 Syracuse 57-74 L
09-10 vs St. Johns (NIT) 73-71 W
10-11 vs #9 Georgetown 69-86 L
11-12 vs Georgetown 88-91 OT L
11-12 @ #4 Louisville 87-95 L
11-12 @ Georgetown 59-70 L

This year, we have Louisville at home and could meet them in the 2nd round of the Battle For The Atlantis tournament in the Bahamas in November.

No, I am just telling you its harder to win in the Big East Basketball Conference than it is in CUSA every games is hard in the BE! There are no "cupcake games at all!

(10-02-2012 03:39 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:35 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:30 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:20 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

Let me make it clearer for you....

You are nothing more than a run of the mill good team in the Big East...you will have to prove yourself. GTown, Louisville, UConn, Cincy, SJU, Nova, Marquette, etc... await...I'm sure they'll respect you but not fear you.

I don't mean any disrespect to your program but you are playing in a Big Boy League again.

Nope, didn't work.

You'll find out when the schedules are released and you are playing 8 straight against NCAA tournament caliber opponents. I am sure your fan base will be up in arms when you finish .500 in league play (which is still a pretty good season).

Is there a reason we shouldn't be up in arms?

Yes because .500 in this league is pretty dag on good. You have to understand there is a major difference between playing these teams one or two times a year vs playing them every single game. Then, right when you think you get a break and you relax, Providence sneaks up and beats you by 30. This is like SEC football but worse because there are even more teams that can sneak up and beat you.

(10-02-2012 04:09 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 04:01 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  Ahh, the Loserville and Cincy fans talking smack about Memphis basketball. The good ole days and rivalries are back!

Here's our record against all the Big East teams we have played in the past 6 seasons. We're 7-7 overall. Including a perfect 3-0 against the Bearcats and 1-0 against UConn, St. John's and Seton Hall. Not bad for a team playing against the physical Big East opposed to playing weak competition in C-USA conference.

06-07 vs Cincinnati 88-55 W
07-08 vs #8 Connecticut 81-70 W
07-08 @ Cincinnati 79-69 W
07-08 vs #5 Georgetown 85-71 W
08-09 vs Seton Hall 84-70 W
08-09 @ Georgetown 70-79 OT L
08-09 vs #11 Syracuse 65-72 L
08-09 vs Cincinnati 60-45 W
09-10 @ #7 Syracuse 57-74 L
09-10 vs St. Johns (NIT) 73-71 W
10-11 vs #9 Georgetown 69-86 L
11-12 vs Georgetown 88-91 OT L
11-12 @ #4 Louisville 87-95 L
11-12 @ Georgetown 59-70 L

This year, we have Louisville at home and could meet them in the 2nd round of the Battle For The Atlantis tournament in the Bahamas in November.

No, I am just telling you its harder to win in the Big East Basketball Conference than it is in CUSA every games is hard in the BE! There are no "cupcake games at all!

And I totally agree. However, UCF, Houston and SMU who are coming in will still be cakewalks. We beat UCF last year in the conference tournament by 31 and SMU by 18 and won at Houston 89-55 and once led that game by 40.

But to be fair, UCF did beat us last year at their place on a last second play, 68-67. But, we were also with arguably our best all-around player, Adonis Thomas. Otherwise they don't win that game.

But even if you play those 3 teams twice (which you won't)...that's only 6 wins.

(10-02-2012 04:24 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  And I totally agree. However, UCF, Houston and SMU who are coming in will still be cakewalks. We beat UCF last year in the conference tournament by 31 and SMU by 18 and won at Houston 89-55 and once led that game by 40.

But to be fair, UCF did beat us last year at their place on a last second play, 68-67. But, we were also with arguably our best all-around player, Adonis Thomas. Otherwise they don't win that game.

Yet in the previous year....it was Memphis would needed a last second shot to beat UCF....funny how last second wins for Memphis are OK...but not for everyone else.

2 years in a row...Memphis has been in some of their closest games out of ALL of theirs in the games played in Orlando in 2011 and 2012:

Final Seconds of UCF vs Memphis Game 2011:




Final Seconds of UCF vs Memphis Game 2012:

(10-02-2012 04:27 PM)krux Wrote:  But even if you play those 3 teams twice (which you won't)...that's only 6 wins.

You are forgetting that Josh is one hellava recruiter. Outside of Cal and Coach K, I would say he's top 3. Argue all you want. The fact is that his recruits that he's bringing in for the new Big East debut are BUILT for the Big East competition and banging. It's more mental than it is physical in the Big East. And guys like King, Crawford, Powell and Iverson are all fit for that type of play. That's why we backed off of softies like Johnathan Williams III and Jajuan Johnson from Memphis. Some Memphians and Tiger fans are too dumb to see why Josh did that. They would rather see local skinny streetballers than have a chance to win a title.

(10-02-2012 04:23 PM)krux Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:39 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:35 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:30 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Let me make it clearer for you....

You are nothing more than a run of the mill good team in the Big East...you will have to prove yourself. GTown, Louisville, UConn, Cincy, SJU, Nova, Marquette, etc... await...I'm sure they'll respect you but not fear you.

I don't mean any disrespect to your program but you are playing in a Big Boy League again.

Nope, didn't work.

You'll find out when the schedules are released and you are playing 8 straight against NCAA tournament caliber opponents. I am sure your fan base will be up in arms when you finish .500 in league play (which is still a pretty good season).

Is there a reason we shouldn't be up in arms?

Yes because .500 in this league is pretty dag on good. You have to understand there is a major difference between playing these teams one or two times a year vs playing them every single game. Then, right when you think you get a break and you relax, Providence sneaks up and beats you by 30. This is like SEC football but worse because there are even more teams that can sneak up and beat you.

As a fan I don't have to see any kind of reason, apply any kind of logic, or stop from going off the deep end over the slightest thing. I know you guys think you're schooling me and Memphis fans on the Big East, but we're basketball fans too, the big bad world isn't lost on us just because of where we were stuck playing the second half of our seasons every year. We know what the Big East is and there's no better proving ground to separate the contenders from the pretenders. Memphis fans will not accept being pretenders, we're coming to play ball.

Do you think SEC football fans go into the season saying how tough their games will be? Absolutely not, they go into every season convinced their school is a legit contender (even those idiot Ole Miss fans). We're in the heart of SEC country and we bring that attitude to the court. You guys can sit around and pat yourselves on the back and tell us dumb Southerners we just don't get it, but understand this, Memphis fans aren't ******* around when it comes to our team, we're deadly serious and we don't care who is on that court, we expect to beat them. If we don't, then the butthurt piles so high we shut this whole site down lol.

(10-02-2012 04:46 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 04:24 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  And I totally agree. However, UCF, Houston and SMU who are coming in will still be cakewalks. We beat UCF last year in the conference tournament by 31 and SMU by 18 and won at Houston 89-55 and once led that game by 40.

But to be fair, UCF did beat us last year at their place on a last second play, 68-67. But, we were also with arguably our best all-around player, Adonis Thomas. Otherwise they don't win that game.

Yet in the previous year....it was Memphis would needed a last second shot to beat UCF....funny how last second wins for Memphis are OK...but not for everyone else.

2 years in a row...Memphis has been in some of their closest games out of ALL of theirs in the games played in Orlando in 2011 and 2012:

Final Seconds of UCF vs Memphis Game 2011:




Final Seconds of UCF vs Memphis Game 2012:

That is true, but we lost our game with our best player on the bench because of an injury. You had all of your horses healthy and playing that night that Barton hit that game winner. Plus, we won that game with basically FRESHMEN. Need I say more?

(10-02-2012 04:46 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 04:27 PM)krux Wrote:  But even if you play those 3 teams twice (which you won't)...that's only 6 wins.

You are forgetting that Josh is one hellava recruiter. Outside of Cal and Coach K, I would say he's top 3. Argue all you want. The fact is that his recruits that he's bringing in for the new Big East debut are BUILT for the Big East competition and banging. It's more mental than it is physical in the Big East. And guys like King, Crawford, Powell and Iverson are all fit for that type of play. That's why we backed off of softies like Johnathan Williams III and Jajuan Johnson from Memphis. Some Memphians and Tiger fans are too dumb to see why Josh did that. They would rather see local skinny streetballers than have a chance to win a title.

Believe everyone knows Pastner can recruit...but even after 3 years...its still unknown if he can Coach...because in all of his big 12 games (vs ranked opponents and 1st round NCAA games), he has LOST them all.

Heck, he became the first Memphis Coach to ever lose a basketball game to UCF...and he was obviously the Memphis Coach that blew the Tigers 18 game win streak vs Southern Miss as the Golden Eagles beat Pastner's Tigers last year.

Being good in recruiting can get you some nice pub come Nov and April during those signing periods...but most coaches, when they land 4-5 star players like Pastner...are able to at least win a few games vs Top 25 opponents or at least make a short run in the NCAA Tourn.

(10-02-2012 04:49 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 04:46 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 04:24 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  And I totally agree. However, UCF, Houston and SMU who are coming in will still be cakewalks. We beat UCF last year in the conference tournament by 31 and SMU by 18 and won at Houston 89-55 and once led that game by 40.

But to be fair, UCF did beat us last year at their place on a last second play, 68-67. But, we were also with arguably our best all-around player, Adonis Thomas. Otherwise they don't win that game.

Yet in the previous year....it was Memphis would needed a last second shot to beat UCF....funny how last second wins for Memphis are OK...but not for everyone else.

2 years in a row...Memphis has been in some of their closest games out of ALL of theirs in the games played in Orlando in 2011 and 2012:

Final Seconds of UCF vs Memphis Game 2011:




Final Seconds of UCF vs Memphis Game 2012:

That is true, but we lost our game with our best player on the bench because of an injury. You had all of your horses healthy and playing that night that Barton hit that game winner.

LOL!!

Please go find ONE Memphis fan that would have traded ROSTERS in either of those games.

I'll save ya the time...NONE of them would...and YOU KNOW IT.

Some of you forget that we started the season 3 years ago with 6 scholarship players, all of whom were bench sitters. We had one recruit, b/c Calipari took the rest to UK, or they bailed on Pastner. This is the first season Pastner has had only his recruits on the team.

Coach K had a losing record his first 3 seasons at Duke. Pastner has won more games in his first 3 seasons than any coach in Memphis history, starting almost from scratch. I don't think Pastner is Bobby Knight, but I think he'll have a successful career. He already is an elite recruiter. We lost to Arizona by one point in the NCAA tourney two years ago, due to a non-foul call at the end. They went on to the E8. That one play would have killed both arguments about Top 25 and NCAA wins the past 3 years.

The past 2 seasons, the great majority of our minutes and points have come from underclassmen. This year, we will likely start 4 juniors and a sophomore, who is projected as a lottery pick.

The team you've seen the past 3 seasons is not the team you will see this year. This is the first year we are experienced and deep under Pastner.

And a lot of you also forget that 4 seasons ago, we beat all comers on a regular basis, for 4 straight years, including Top 25 teams and NCAA tourney teams, making the E8, E8, F2 and S16 4 straight years.

Talk trash all you want. We'll be fine. Like I said, you can talk trash about Memphis FB, but BB? Not so much.

(10-02-2012 02:30 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:59 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:50 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  You won Conference USA, those 9 losses were to good teams and maybe 1 or 2 of the 26 wins were vs good teams. You would have struggled to win 20 in the BEast.

I guess we'll have to kick butt in the NCAA tournament before we get respect.

Nah, Bounce won't give us respect...ever. And you know what? I'm ok with that, it was tough at first, but then I realized that was just indigestion and I got over it.

Last year, at least, I'd probably agree with him. Not other years, though. Last year, to this outsider, that team often didn't look we'll coached. Lets see what he does with a full cupboard.

(10-02-2012 04:55 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 04:49 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 04:46 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 04:24 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  And I totally agree. However, UCF, Houston and SMU who are coming in will still be cakewalks. We beat UCF last year in the conference tournament by 31 and SMU by 18 and won at Houston 89-55 and once led that game by 40.

But to be fair, UCF did beat us last year at their place on a last second play, 68-67. But, we were also with arguably our best all-around player, Adonis Thomas. Otherwise they don't win that game.

Yet in the previous year....it was Memphis would needed a last second shot to beat UCF....funny how last second wins for Memphis are OK...but not for everyone else.

2 years in a row...Memphis has been in some of their closest games out of ALL of theirs in the games played in Orlando in 2011 and 2012:

Final Seconds of UCF vs Memphis Game 2011:




Final Seconds of UCF vs Memphis Game 2012:

That is true, but we lost our game with our best player on the bench because of an injury. You had all of your horses healthy and playing that night that Barton hit that game winner.

LOL!!

Please go find ONE Memphis fan that would have traded ROSTERS in either of those games.

I'll save ya the time...NONE of them would...and YOU KNOW IT.

What the hell are you talking about? I never said anything about you guys had the better team. I said you had all of your players available that are your key players. We on the other hand did not. So technically, you guys won a fluke game. A lucky win.

(10-02-2012 03:27 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Memphis will soon find out about how hard 20 wins are to get in the Big East. There are no "cupcakes" in Big East Basketball.

Last year our overall strength of schedule was #20 in the nation.

That would've been the fifth best schedule in the Big East behind only UConn, Louisville, Georgetown, and Marquette.

The Big East is going to find that we're no cupcake either.

(10-02-2012 05:34 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 03:27 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Memphis will soon find out about how hard 20 wins are to get in the Big East. There are no "cupcakes" in Big East Basketball.

Last year our overall strength of schedule was #20 in the nation.

That would've been the fifth best schedule in the Big East behind only UConn, Louisville, Georgetown, and Marquette.

The Big East is going to find that we're no cupcake either.

And like I said you lost almost all your games against the better teams. Who cares about SOS when you lose every game?

The good thing about playing in the Big East is you can finish just top ten in the league but still be a legitimate national title contender, not so much in C-USA. This is what the new schools that came in had to learn and in time so will the schools entering in the near future. Same way with Temple, great program but this isn't the A-10, it just goes on night after night after night after night. But it sure the hell is fun!!!!!!