(09-29-2012 08:04 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  Troy generally comes in dead last in the Sun Belt's Bubas Cup standings for the conference's best overall athletic program. MTSU, WKU and UNT are 1-3. Would like CUSA to add WKU and MTSU at some time.

have you seen their basketball? SMU might win the SBC mens basketball title on a yearly basis.

(09-29-2012 05:16 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Wow, you're bringing attendance up as a saving grace for CUSA right now??

How weak can you get?

Enjoy having UNT in CUSA you guys!

who is troy?

(09-29-2012 08:06 PM)mbelcher987 Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 08:04 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  Troy generally comes in dead last in the Sun Belt's Bubas Cup standings for the conference's best overall athletic program. MTSU, WKU and UNT are 1-3. Would like CUSA to add WKU and MTSU at some time.

have you seen their basketball? SMU might win the SBC mens basketball title on a yearly basis.

You are welcome to have FIU and UNCC's stellar programs.

(09-29-2012 07:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Wasn't the UAB Troy game part of a one ticket triple header with a couple of FCS games?

I might be wrong, but I don't believe that was the case.

(09-29-2012 08:15 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 07:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Wasn't the UAB Troy game part of a one ticket triple header with a couple of FCS games?

I might be wrong, but I don't believe that was the case.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/..._aliv.html

(09-29-2012 08:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You are welcome to have FIU and UNCC's stellar programs.

Charlotte isn't exactly the worst program ever. They have had quite a bit of success in CUSA 1.0 we'll see if they improve back to that point in CUSA 3.0. From 95-05 they went to the NCAA's 7 times and the NIT once.
USA has 8 bids ever. Charlotte has 11.

FIU just replaced SMU. That was a wash.

(09-29-2012 08:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 08:15 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 07:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Wasn't the UAB Troy game part of a one ticket triple header with a couple of FCS games?

I might be wrong, but I don't believe that was the case.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/..._aliv.html

The tickets weren't sold as a 3 pack or something, I think that's what you are implying. 2 teams played on the same day but UAB still got the money for all 28.6k tickets.

(09-29-2012 08:06 PM)mbelcher987 Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 08:04 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  Troy generally comes in dead last in the Sun Belt's Bubas Cup standings for the conference's best overall athletic program. MTSU, WKU and UNT are 1-3. Would like CUSA to add WKU and MTSU at some time.

have you seen their basketball? SMU might win the SBC mens basketball title on a yearly basis.

I disagree. They conference has had a severe underdog win its conference tournament the last two years. WKU has a great tradition and was in the sweet 16 just a few years back. UNT has been good the last 6 years. MTSU was really good last year. Some of the bottom teams are bad, but SMU sucks and would not come close to winning the conference in basketball.

This thread started by a Mean Green fan gives this Mean Green fan a headache

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(09-29-2012 08:23 PM)mbelcher987 Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 08:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You are welcome to have FIU and UNCC's stellar programs.

Charlotte isn't exactly the worst program ever. They have had quite a bit of success in CUSA 1.0 we'll see if they improve back to that point in CUSA 3.0. From 95-05 they went to the NCAA's 7 times and the NIT once.
USA has 8 bids ever. Charlotte has 11.

FIU just replaced SMU. That was a wash.

UNCC was a dumpster fire in the A-10. No NCAA bids, composite conference record was 13th of 14 teams (only ahead of woeful Fordham). Lots of lip to go with all those losing records from UNCC too. USA has had the last two NCAA bids from either school. 1 was an at large. C-USA is better than the SBC in basketball. But you lost a LOT more with Memphis leaving than we did with UNT leaving. And FIU will probably be the worst team out of 300+ NCAA Div 1 mbb schools next year. Dead last.

(09-29-2012 08:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  UNCC was a dumpster fire in the A-10. No NCAA bids, composite conference record was 13th of 14 teams (only ahead of woeful Fordham). Lots of lip to go with all those losing records from UNCC too. USA has had the last two NCAA bids from either school. 1 was an at large. C-USA is better than the SBC in basketball. But you lost a LOT more with Memphis leaving than we did with UNT leaving. And FIU will probably be the worst team out of 300+ NCAA Div 1 mbb schools next year. Dead last.

yes they were, but I'm pointing to upside. Who would you have moved in CUSA if you were our commissioner? It's not like they have always been a bottom tier team and they will get it turned around. They have tradition to build on.

I believe your USA is the only team in the modern SBC to ever receive one? Until either USM or UAB move on to another league Troy and USA are stuck in the belt.

No one is denying that we lost a lot. UAB TULSA and UTEP are still miles ahead of what your conference has to offer. we're not thrilled with FIU's MBB, but they have more upside that FAU. Again think of it from our commissioner's point of view.

CUSA is always better than the SBC...except when it isn't. Which has been at least one time a week this season.

FAU has attendance issues because of losing. You'll be playing in front of empty stadiums in CUSA as well (losing teams dont draw well anywhere).

So wait, who is troy again? All I learned in college was about the Wall of Troy...

(09-29-2012 08:54 PM)mbelcher987 Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 08:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  UNCC was a dumpster fire in the A-10. No NCAA bids, composite conference record was 13th of 14 teams (only ahead of woeful Fordham). Lots of lip to go with all those losing records from UNCC too. USA has had the last two NCAA bids from either school. 1 was an at large. C-USA is better than the SBC in basketball. But you lost a LOT more with Memphis leaving than we did with UNT leaving. And FIU will probably be the worst team out of 300+ NCAA Div 1 mbb schools next year. Dead last.

yes they were, but I'm pointing to upside. Who would you have moved in CUSA if you were our commissioner? It's not like they have always been a bottom tier team and they will get it turned around. They have tradition to build on.

I believe your USA is the only team in the modern SBC to ever receive one? Until either USM or UAB move on to another league Troy and USA are stuck in the belt.

No one is denying that we lost a lot. UAB TULSA and UTEP are still miles ahead of what your conference has to offer. we're not thrilled with FIU's MBB, but they have more upside that FAU. Again think of it from our commissioner's point of view.

CUSA was lucky in a lot of respects for basketball, for as long as Memphis was in the league, you were a 2 bid league in most season. With Old Dominion and UNT (good but not great schools) coming in you may still be in some years. But its not a guarantee.

The Belt has MTSU and WKU (which are good but not great schools) with teams like UTA, USA, and FAU that periodically compete. We'll still be likely a 1 bid league, but I think we're actually going to be better top to bottom in our new configuration. I don't think you can make that argument about CUSA.

FIU loves the circus celebrity hire method to coaching vacancies. They won with Mario Cristobal (a local sports legend at the U) but they lost huge with Isaiah. We'll see with Petino lite whether it turns out to be another circus hire or something better.

FAU coach Mike Jarvis runs good solid programs. He's a good coach. And Boca can compete for recruits just as well as Miami can.

(09-29-2012 05:26 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  The $EC isn't number 1 because of attendance. Wins are all that matter. I would rather consistently win in front of 15K than lose in front of 35K every week.

In principle, you're probably right, but when factoring the revenue that isn't being generated, that's bad juju.
Example 50,000 Pirates @ $50.00 average versus App St. =

$2.5 million for that home game

FIU vs Arkansas St @ $21.00 average versus Ark St. if attendance were 15,000 =

$315,000

Attendance matters. (That and the price of the tickets)

(09-29-2012 09:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The Belt has MTSU and WKU (which are good but not great schools) with teams like UTA, USA, and FAU that periodically compete. We'll still be likely a 1 bid league, but I think we're actually going to be better top to bottom in our new configuration. I don't think you can make that argument about CUSA.

alright I'll bite lets compare
MTSU has 6 NCAA's to it's record
WKU has 22
USA has 8
FAU has 1
ULL has 5
ULM has 7
Ark st 1
Troy 1
UALR 4
UTA (um... I'm sorry who? )
ga state 2
txs st 2

UAB 14
UTEP 17 with a national title as Texas western
Tulsa has 14
ECU 2
marshall 5
USM 3
Rice 4
Tulane 3
UNCC 11
FIU 1
LA tech 5
UNT 3
ODU 12
UTSA 4


The SBC has 59 appearances with their 2013 squads / 12 schools ~ 5 per school which looks much worse without WKU

CUSA has 98 with it's 2013 teams/ 14 schools ~ 7 per school.

(09-29-2012 09:27 PM)mbelcher987 Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 09:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The Belt has MTSU and WKU (which are good but not great schools) with teams like UTA, USA, and FAU that periodically compete. We'll still be likely a 1 bid league, but I think we're actually going to be better top to bottom in our new configuration. I don't think you can make that argument about CUSA.

alright I'll bite lets compare
MTSU has 6 NCAA's to it's record
WKU has 22
USA has 8
FAU has 1
ULL has 5
ULM has 7
Ark st 1
Troy 1
UALR 4
UTA (um... I'm sorry who? )
ga state 2
txs st 2

UAB 14
UTEP 17 with a national title as Texas western
Tulsa has 14
ECU 2
marshall 5
USM 3
Rice 4
Tulane 3
UNCC 11
FIU 1
LA tech 5
UNT 3
ODU 12
UTSA 4


The SBC has 59 appearances with their 2013 squads / 12 schools ~ 5 per school which looks much worse without WKU

CUSA has 98 with it's 2013 teams/ 14 schools ~ 7 per school.

Really, you want to take games from the 40 and 50 years ago into consideration?

I think you should be really looking - HARD - at what CUSA teams have done lately. And what they need to be doing to get better instead of resting on a 35 year old Final 4 run or some NCAA bids 40 years ago.

You just lost your franchise program in basketball. I'd talk less smack and start working on being relevant after Memphis leaves. You could be a 1 bid league soon.

The Belt isn't a good basketball league. But CUSA isn't as far ahead of us as they were with Memphis in the league. And no, I don't see us catching you guys anytime soon in basketball. But if we can catch you guys in football (which is possible)..... we can catch you in basketball.

What is with the obsession from other conference fans lurking and waiting for these threads?

Are the other boards that boring? Serious question, because I don't post on other conf boards, other than maybe a handful of times. And even then, its their house, so I do it in a respectful manner without telling them how I think my house is better.

Geez!

(09-29-2012 08:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 08:23 PM)mbelcher987 Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 08:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You are welcome to have FIU and UNCC's stellar programs.

Charlotte isn't exactly the worst program ever. They have had quite a bit of success in CUSA 1.0 we'll see if they improve back to that point in CUSA 3.0. From 95-05 they went to the NCAA's 7 times and the NIT once.
USA has 8 bids ever. Charlotte has 11.

FIU just replaced SMU. That was a wash.

UNCC was a dumpster fire in the A-10. No NCAA bids, composite conference record was 13th of 14 teams (only ahead of woeful Fordham). Lots of lip to go with all those losing records from UNCC too. USA has had the last two NCAA bids from either school. 1 was an at large. C-USA is better than the SBC in basketball. But you lost a LOT more with Memphis leaving than we did with UNT leaving. And FIU will probably be the worst team out of 300+ NCAA Div 1 mbb schools next year. Dead last.

Charlotte also holds an NIT win and 2 NIT appearances in what we consider the worst 7 year run in the history of the program while averaging around 6000 a game. Your assessment of being 13 of 14 is slanted to our last two seasons, which Niner fans call terrible, would be considered a decent season in the sunbelt.
In that time we also hold wins against x, Temple, Tennessee, Clemson, Wake Forest, Curry's Davidson team, plus more.
we also hold 8 NCAA wins, a final four, and several at large NCAA bids.