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(09-18-2012 02:28 PM)MeanGreenEngineer Wrote:  
(09-18-2012 02:17 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  You can't have it both ways. 1) It can't be based on market size for CUSA, but that be no factor for the SBC. 2) What you, and the rest of these conferences chasing markets will realize soon enough is that the only thing that matters is winning. Hence, why I said if the SBC continues to have a good year, that is most definitely motivation for the SBC and ESPN to revalue the contract.

I'm not trying to have it both ways. I already said once the deal is up who knows what the payout for SBC vs CUSA will be. However, there is no incentive for ESPN to greatly increase the payout (and the CUSA payout is about ten times larger than the SBC payout, so it would have to greatly increase to be competitive) unless there is a huge increase in market/interest for the SBC. I just don't see that happening for any of the non AQ conferences.

Again. Why would ESPN give away money it doesn't need to? Do you really think by 2020 the SBC is going to be such must see tv that ESPN is going to have to outbid FSN/NBC/ABC/Al AJazeera for the rights?

The SBC payout may go up some, but it's not going to CUSA levels at least until the current contract expires.

The SBC Payout will likely go up right now, thats what our contract provides for, renegotiating the fees that we get. If ESPN doesnt offer us what we want, we can take our ball and go play elsewhere.
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(09-18-2012 02:33 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  Adding GSU and Texas State will give the SBC more money, especially because of the addition of the Atlanta and Austin markets. Given the recent success, additional income could be on its way just because of that as well.

First off, just to clarify, the TV people know that getting GSU does not give them Atlanta market, just like they know NT does not give them the DFW market. What they are banking on is 1) the local alumni will give them a slice of that market and 2) if nothing else is on people will watch local teams even if they don't usually care about them.

That's why a large school with a large alumni base in a large market (like NT), has a draw (for TV) over schools that have a commanding share of a small market.

Ignore all of that, let's go back to your market additions. Yes Atlanta (#8) are Austin (#49) are added, but DFW (#5) and Mia-FTL (#16) are lost.

Now televised sports are becoming more and more valuable every why. Why? Because people don't DVR (and then skip the commercials) on live sporting events. So the money will go up for everyone.

So, before 2020, could the SBC tv payout go up? Yes. But it will probably also for CUSA. I also just don't see any reason why the SBC payout would go up near the level of CUSA or surpass it.

Now, if the SBC keeps winning could it possibly surpass CUSA in value after 2020? Sure. That's possible. I think that this is a bad year for CUSA and it will get better, but I don't see why with some look and good leadership the SBC couldn't be a challenger in 2020.
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(09-18-2012 02:15 PM)FIU Panther Fan Wrote:  Good for you, but unless FAU has only one fan, you, then my point still applies. Here's the link....

FAU fans "don't leave us behind"

(09-18-2012 02:11 PM)NCowl Wrote:  
(09-18-2012 01:44 PM)FIU Panther Fan Wrote:  You guys were on your knees like a Kardashian sister praying that CUSA would send you an invite. You can buy all the propaganda bs that BTH is feeding you, but all I have to do is post a link to the thread on your board after the invite to show what FAU fans really feel about the move. I think the move will push FIU's athletic department to grow and expand at a quicker pace than what was happening in the SBC. In order to get the invite we renovated the arena, we enclosed the stadium, the baseball stadium was updated and now CUSA is demanding that we build a new track facility, we just bought a 2 year series with Bethune Cookman Collage (a Daytona Beach HBCU with a large local following) which will give us 6 home games and 7 home games in 2013/2014 respectively for about $600K. I think the increased competition of being with schools with higher budgets and profile will be good for FIU's entire athletic department. Oh, and the additional $$$ doesn't hurt.

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(09-18-2012 11:43 AM)NCowl Wrote:  
(09-18-2012 11:26 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  It sucks for FIU. They jump ship just in time to realize the Sun Belt is on the rise and C-USA is on the decline. So, yet again they will be stuck in the worst non-AQ Conference in America.


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On the contrary I was on the fence and saw pluses and minuses of both, so I did not care either way!

05-nono Once again you said "YOU GUYS" that lumps me into that group. I never said I had to go CUSA, HOWEVER I can not speak for the rest of Owl Nation, but it does seem most of them needed to move and still want to move to CUSA.

I personally think we need to get back to winning and dominate the Belt before we can even talk of a move. If by then CUSA is the place to go so be it. But the way I see in now, it's no more than Sun Belt 2.0... But as of now, the Real Sun Belt is kicking out 3.0, so seems to me this is the place right now... hope it stays that way.
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(09-18-2012 02:38 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  And I'm not sure why MGE keeps referencing 2020. The contract can be renegotiated now, not only in 8 years.

Because there is no earthly reason why ESPN would willing increase the payout by a SIGNIFICANT amount to the SBC when it has CONTRACTUAL RIGHTS to the SBC now.

ESPN didn't become the master of televised sports by making bad business decisions like giving away money.

(09-18-2012 02:38 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  I never said that it would now be on par with CUSA. I said I could see it getting a bump.

I agree with that. I was only trying to argue against the "well if FIU left for more TV money that is dumb because the SBC payout will be just as high soon" line of reasoning.

(09-18-2012 02:38 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  And, to answer your question, yes, I think we will be on par come 2020, as the "market realignment" fad will be shown the door, and the SB will come out as one the strongest players for staying tight, and winning ball games.

It could. CUSA could also regain it's dominance. Only time will tell.
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(09-18-2012 02:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The SBC Payout will likely go up right now, thats what our contract provides for, renegotiating the fees that we get.

The SBC lost larger markets than it gained. The contract could go up, I agree, because live sports are becoming more and more valuable, but I don't see the SBC payout getting close to the CUSA payout during this current contract.


(09-18-2012 02:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If ESPN doesnt offer us what we want, we can take our ball and go play elsewhere.

Hate to break it to you, but networks are not falling all over themselves to get into a bidding war for non AQ conference rights. For Notre Dame? Yes. For the SEC contract? Yes.

There is very little fear in ESPN's heart that if they don't greatly increase the SBC payout that Network X will sweep in and offer them a huge pot of money.
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(09-18-2012 02:28 PM)MeanGreenEngineer Wrote:  
(09-18-2012 02:17 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  You can't have it both ways. 1) It can't be based on market size for CUSA, but that be no factor for the SBC. 2) What you, and the rest of these conferences chasing markets will realize soon enough is that the only thing that matters is winning. Hence, why I said if the SBC continues to have a good year, that is most definitely motivation for the SBC and ESPN to revalue the contract.

I'm not trying to have it both ways. I already said once the deal is up who knows what the payout for SBC vs CUSA will be. However, there is no incentive for ESPN to greatly increase the payout (and the CUSA payout is about ten times larger than the SBC payout, so it would have to greatly increase to be competitive) unless there is a huge increase in market/interest for the SBC. I just don't see that happening for any of the non AQ conferences.

Again. Why would ESPN give away money it doesn't need to? Do you really think by 2020 the SBC is going to be such must see tv that ESPN is going to have to outbid FSN/NBC/ABC/Al AJazeera for the rights?

The SBC payout may go up some, but it's not going to CUSA levels at least until the current contract expires.

I thought the contract expires with the loss or gain of teams involved in the original contract. Plenty of conferences have renegotiated contracts when new teams are added.
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(09-18-2012 03:29 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(09-18-2012 02:28 PM)MeanGreenEngineer Wrote:  
(09-18-2012 02:17 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  You can't have it both ways. 1) It can't be based on market size for CUSA, but that be no factor for the SBC. 2) What you, and the rest of these conferences chasing markets will realize soon enough is that the only thing that matters is winning. Hence, why I said if the SBC continues to have a good year, that is most definitely motivation for the SBC and ESPN to revalue the contract.

I'm not trying to have it both ways. I already said once the deal is up who knows what the payout for SBC vs CUSA will be. However, there is no incentive for ESPN to greatly increase the payout (and the CUSA payout is about ten times larger than the SBC payout, so it would have to greatly increase to be competitive) unless there is a huge increase in market/interest for the SBC. I just don't see that happening for any of the non AQ conferences.

Again. Why would ESPN give away money it doesn't need to? Do you really think by 2020 the SBC is going to be such must see tv that ESPN is going to have to outbid FSN/NBC/ABC/Al AJazeera for the rights?

The SBC payout may go up some, but it's not going to CUSA levels at least until the current contract expires.

I thought the contract expires with the loss or gain of teams involved in the original contract. Plenty of conferences have renegotiated contracts when new teams are added.

Most renegotiate when they increase the number of teams and add marque teams, like the ACC getting Syracuse and Pitt. They have leverage when they increase the conference's inventory and prestige. Now if the Sun Belt goes to 12 and has a CCG they would have some leverage, but adding two FCS teams does little to add to the prestige of the conference and because there are the same number of teams, inventory has not increased.
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Didn't say anything about leverage. Once the original participants in the league change, the contract does as well which leaves open the possibility of renegotiation. If your commissioner is doing his job, and with the current increased national exposure and positive national press, he's talking to multiple media outlets to see if there is options. All you can expect of your commissioner is to continuously look for the betterment of your conference.
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(09-18-2012 03:46 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  Didn't say anything about leverage. Once the original participants in the league change, the contract does as well which leaves open the possibility of renegotiation. If your commissioner is doing his job, and with the current increased national exposure and positive national press, he's talking to multiple media outlets to see if there is options. All you can expect of your commissioner is to continuously look for the betterment of your conference.

All it does is allow you to renegotiate your current contract, not go on the open market for bids. Which is why there will be no renegotiation, because ESPN doesn't have to.
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If you don't mind, I'll wait until it plays out before I make that determination.
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MeanGreenEngineer, you are obviously a C-USA disciple now...why don't you go give them some love. We SBC Nationalists are enjoying our new-found success and place ABOVE Conference USA here on sunbeltbbs.com, the home of Sun Belt Conference athletics.
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(09-18-2012 05:38 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  MeanGreenEngineer, you are obviously a C-USA disciple now...why don't you go give them some love. We SBC Nationalists are enjoying our new-found success and place ABOVE Conference USA here on sunbeltbbs.com, the home of Sun Belt Conference athletics.

First, NT is currently a member of the Sun Belt Conference.

Second, sunbeltbbs.com is just CNAME record for the csnbbs.com forum. Honestly, I didn't know the sunbeltbbs.com canonical name even existed until you mentioned it.

Third, because this is AMERICA.

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I think if we are all honest with ourselves, had C-USA come a calling last season to your team you would have gone with a big smile on your face. We all know that currently the money is better in C-USA. But we as fans don't see any of that money. All we see is the play on the field and the climb up the ladder that our conference is taking.

With that being said, when all this was happening, I proposed the idea of USM, ECU and Tulsa joining the SBC instead of staying in C-USA. We as fans see our league succeeding where others are not. The SBC is currently the best of the rest, hopefully that only gets better over the next couple of years. With the Big East headed in the direction they are, it is conceivable that we could over take that league as well over the next couple years.

As a founding member of the league, we have gone through some rough times. We could have been going through that now, instead our league has stood up and said to the rest that we will not be defeated, we will not be looked upon as have nots.

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I don't know how many others on here are with me, but I never wanted to join C-USA. I am a proud Sun Belt Nationalist and the Belt is where I want to stay. I take pride in the fact my team helped build what we have, and the success we have achieved makes me that much more proud because I know we did it on our own.
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(09-18-2012 06:49 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I don't know how many others on here are with me, but I never wanted to join C-USA. I am a proud Sun Belt Nationalist and the Belt is where I want to stay. I take pride in the fact my team helped build what we have, and the success we have achieved makes me that much more proud because I know we did it on our own.

I agree. Perserverance is paying off. The rest of the nation is starting to see what we have been saying....the SBC is so close and our young teams are starting to make noise. I like a tight conference in a fertile recruiting area. Big things on the horizon for the SBC. If we can just hold on to coaches.
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Amen brother. SBC...SBC...SBC!

(09-18-2012 06:51 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  I agree. Perserverance is paying off. The rest of the nation is starting to see what we have been saying....the SBC is so close and our young teams are starting to make noise. I like a tight conference in a fertile recruiting area. Big things on the horizon for the SBC. If we can just hold on to coaches.
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(09-18-2012 12:43 PM)MeanGreenEngineer Wrote:  
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(09-18-2012 11:26 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  It sucks for FIU. They jump ship just in time to realize the Sun Belt is on the rise and C-USA is on the decline. So, yet again they will be stuck in the worst non-AQ Conference in America.


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First off, I loved the SBC and am going to miss playing you guys. Geographically, CUSA is just too good of a fit to pass by.

As far as FIU goes, at least until 2020 the TV money for CUSA will be much larger than that from the SBC.

Will that change then? Only time will tell.

As a fan, I could care less about the $$ difference between conferences for non AQ. I would rather have good rivals and wins on the field instead of "markets". Don't be brainwashed by the media and conference execs....
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The UNT and FIU fans are going to regergitate the C-USA propaganda because their programs are headed to the league. I wouldn't expect them to stand by and be rah rah for the SBC now, but I would appreciate it if they'd stop being so rah rah for Conference USA on the Sun Belt board. C-DOA has their own board for that.

Yall say that your program is still in the Belt for now, but many of you don't act like it. Just to be fair, not all of you fall in to this catagory, and I thank those who don't for being gentlemen about it.
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Oh wow your going to make 5$ instead of 1$. That's your reasoning for joining conference USA? I mean better basketball and Olympic sports is are valid reasons but your not getting 16 mil a year per school or even 2 mil. Those few extra $ aren't going to do much of anything.
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(09-18-2012 05:54 PM)MeanGreenEngineer Wrote:  First, NT is currently a member of the Sun Belt Conference.

Second, sunbeltbbs.com is just CNAME record for the csnbbs.com forum. Honestly, I didn't know the sunbeltbbs.com canonical name even existed until you mentioned it.

Third, because this is AMERICA.

Do you use anything but Wikipedia? Please stick to engineering, b/c I like my URLs to work.
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