The whole auto bailout back-and-forth debate has always been ironic to me: The ones most supporting the auto manufacturer bailouts tend to be those least likely to buy American made vehicles (Detroit excluded). Go to NYC, Boston, Portland, San Fran, L.A., or any other left-leaning hub, and you'll be more likely to find a $100 bill laying undisturbed on the ground than a Big 3 car.

That's not to say I don't support anyone's decision to purchase what they want, when they want, and where they want. You buy what best fits your wants, that's fine. But the irony isn't lost.

(09-07-2012 10:26 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 09:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 07:23 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Granholm embarrassed herself last night. Speech was waaay over the top.

To whom? The people she was speaking to loved it. Just because you can't agree with the message doesn't mean she was embarrassed to bring it forth.

I don't get her appeal on any national level at all. Granholm's first term as governor was so-so, but her second term was borderline abysmal. Her approval rating hovered in the 30% range during her last few years in office; and this is in a democrat-leaning state, no less.

I don't think she has much national appeal. She was brought in because she is from Michigan and could give a rousing speech on the Obama auto recovery narrative. Nothing more.

(09-07-2012 10:39 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 10:36 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 10:30 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  I'm just stupid.

Yeah, we get that.

I'm also a d0uche.

Yeah, we get that too.

(09-07-2012 12:06 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 10:39 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 10:36 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 10:30 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  I'm just stupid.

Yeah, we get that.

I'm also a d0uche.

Yeah, we get that too.

How creative. Your mother must be proud.

(09-07-2012 10:24 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 10:09 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 09:42 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Conservatives love to life .

Fortunately one only needs the ability to read to see otherwise.

Apparently, you don't have the ability to read.

lol see above...

Obama's approval rating goes up 9 pct, and he goes from being behind Romney by 2 pct to 4 pct ahead after the convention. I'd say that's a bump and a bigger one than Romney got.

But you are correct, it won't last very long (it may already be over with yesterday's jobs report) and the debates are going to be pretty huge for both candidates, barring some other major issue that arises in the next 60 days.

(09-06-2012 11:15 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  How do you figure, FBO? Do I think PBHO will get a bounce after the convention? Sure I do.. they ask questions of the voters while it's fresh on people's minds.

That being said, Do I think the convention locked in a re-election for the President? No I don't. Do I think there will be a short term benefit for the President? yes I Do. think it'll be just like every other convention you see a bounce of 2 to 3 points max.. and that's it.

But it's how long that bounce lasts... I know Neal Boortz had someone on his radio show who admitted that by the start of today, a bunch of journalists were on "Convention burnout" and just want it to be over.

(09-08-2012 02:19 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Obama's approval rating goes up 9 pct, and he goes from being behind Romney by 2 pct to 4 pct ahead after the convention. I'd say that's a bump and a bigger one than Romney got.

I'm pretty suspect of the 9 point bump in job approval. That seems to me like an outlying poll. If some more show that I'll start to believe it more.

I saw the Gallup one that shows him 4% ahead today. It's registered voters not likely voters, which most always favors dems. One thing that frustrates me about Gallup is they don't post their sampling numbers. Most all polls right now are using polling models based on the 2008 election and generally weight 6 to 8 points to the dem advantage. That turnout model is unrealistic this time around in my opinion.

I think we'll see a tie in most polls by end of next week or within the margin either way.

One interesting thing I saw in the Gallup poll is that Carter and Reagan were essentially tied coming out of their conventions. Carter then built as much as a 6 point lead by end of October while Reagan was either 39 or 40%. All among registered voters. Then in November Gallup did it's first likely voter poll and Reagan was up 46% to 43%. Of course the second debate was October 26 and that's what most credit with being the turning point.

So you're right, I think the debates will be big. If they battle to a draw then that helps Obama. If Romney's able to land some blows and fluster Obama, that could turn things.

EDIT - Meant to say Obama.

Niner, do you also do party's?

(09-08-2012 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Niner, do you also do party's?

Given your lack of intelligence and inability to defend your point of view this is the exact response I'd expect.

Congrats, you're now Robert's dumb twin. Troll away RedwingRobert.

(09-08-2012 02:46 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 02:19 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Obama's approval rating goes up 9 pct, and he goes from being behind Romney by 2 pct to 4 pct ahead after the convention. I'd say that's a bump and a bigger one than Romney got.

I'm pretty suspect of the 9 point bump in job approval. That seems to me like an outlying poll. If some more show that I'll start to believe it more.

I saw the Gallup one that shows him 4% ahead today. It's registered voters not likely voters, which most always favors dems. One thing that frustrates me about Gallup is they don't post their sampling numbers. Most all polls right now are using polling models based on the 2008 election and generally weight 6 to 8 points to the dem advantage. That turnout model is unrealistic this time around in my opinion.

I think we'll see a tie in most polls by end of next week or within the margin either way.

One interesting thing I saw in the Gallup poll is that Carter and Reagan were essentially tied coming out of their conventions. Carter then built as much as a 6 point lead by end of October while Reagan was either 39 or 30%. All among registered voters. Then in November Gallup did it's first likely voter poll and Reagan was up 46% to 43%. Of course the second debate was October 26 and that's what most credit with being the turning point.

So you're right, I think the debates will be big. If they battle to a draw then that helps Romney. If Romney's able to land some blows and fluster Obama, that could turn things.

Romney will not fluster Obama.

Maybe not, but watching Ryan rope-a-dope Biden ought to be good for a chuckle.

(09-08-2012 03:00 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 02:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Niner, do you also do party's?

Given your lack of intelligence and inability to defend your point of view this is the exact response I'd expect.

Congrats, you're now Robert's dumb twin. Troll away RedwingRobert.

Niner, your pathetic attempts to insult me are useless. I don't give a **** what you think of me. Get that yet? Every time someone sites a poll that goes against your ****** up belief you trot out the same old tired bull**** that only you believe and that you can never prove. Sorry, but there's really is not point in wasting time debating you on it because you mind is too small and closed. Have a great day!!

(09-08-2012 02:46 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 02:19 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Obama's approval rating goes up 9 pct, and he goes from being behind Romney by 2 pct to 4 pct ahead after the convention. I'd say that's a bump and a bigger one than Romney got.

I'm pretty suspect of the 9 point bump in job approval. That seems to me like an outlying poll. If some more show that I'll start to believe it more.

I saw the Gallup one that shows him 4% ahead today. It's registered voters not likely voters, which most always favors dems. One thing that frustrates me about Gallup is they don't post their sampling numbers. Most all polls right now are using polling models based on the 2008 election and generally weight 6 to 8 points to the dem advantage. That turnout model is unrealistic this time around in my opinion.

I think we'll see a tie in most polls by end of next week or within the margin either way.

One interesting thing I saw in the Gallup poll is that Carter and Reagan were essentially tied coming out of their conventions. Carter then built as much as a 6 point lead by end of October while Reagan was either 39 or 40%. All among registered voters. Then in November Gallup did it's first likely voter poll and Reagan was up 46% to 43%. Of course the second debate was October 26 and that's what most credit with being the turning point.

So you're right, I think the debates will be big. If they battle to a draw then that helps Obama. If Romney's able to land some blows and fluster Obama, that could turn things.

EDIT - Meant to say Obama.

I agree with your points on Gallup. Just for a point of reference however Gallup has been running about 2 points to Romney compared to polling averages over the last 3 months. Again I agree with your points I just thought that should be in the conversation.

Regardless Obama is getting a bump but we all know that barring any MAJOR event this will be going down to the late hours on election night.

(09-08-2012 04:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Niner, your pathetic attempts to insult me are useless. I don't give a **** what you think of me. Get that yet?

Sure thing RedwingRobert.

Quote:Every time someone sites a poll that goes against your ****** up belief you trot out the same old tired bull**** that only you believe and that you can never prove.

Oh really?

CBS poll weights by 32% Dem vs 26% Republican Since you're stupid I'll help you out. That's 6 points.

Washington Post poll 31% Dem, 22% Republican Again, since you're stupid, that's 9 points. This one is very interesting because it's gone as high as 11 points in the Dem sampling.

AP Poll 47% Dem, 41% Rep Since you're still stupid, that's 6 points.

Quote:Sorry, but there's really is not point in wasting time debating you on it

Exactly. Cause I'm right, as proven above. Also because you're stupid, also proven above.

I look forward to your ignoring of the facts, not so cleverly concealed behind a moronic post RedwingRobert.

(09-08-2012 05:07 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I agree with your points on Gallup. Just for a point of reference however Gallup has been running about 2 points to Romney compared to polling averages over the last 3 months. Again I agree with your points I just thought that should be in the conversation.

That's a fair point. Again I wish Gallup made available their sampling split like other groups. It helps give context to what we're seeing.

Quote:Regardless Obama is getting a bump but we all know that barring any MAJOR event this will be going down to the late hours on election night.

Absolutely. Rasmussen has him up 2 as well, though among likely, not registered voters.

(09-08-2012 04:10 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Maybe not, but watching Ryan rope-a-dope Biden ought to be good for a chuckle.

What's funny is they will lower expectations for Biden so much that if he makes it on the stage without drooling it will be counted as a win for him.

Everybody is stupid, a liar or both.

Not everybody.

(09-08-2012 04:10 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Maybe not, but watching Ryan rope-a-dope Biden ought to be good for a chuckle.

It should be even more interesting hearing Ryan make up some more lies during the debate.

(09-08-2012 09:25 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 04:10 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Maybe not, but watching Ryan rope-a-dope Biden ought to be good for a chuckle.

It should be even more interesting hearing Ryan make up some more lies during the debate.

I'll watch the debate for entertainment purposes only because Biden will almost certainly put his foot in his mouth. But what can Biden say that he and Obama haven't already lied about to being with?