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RE: ECU - App St. Game Thread
(08-29-2012 03:21 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  
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(08-29-2012 03:16 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
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(08-29-2012 02:46 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I completely understand your point. However the reality is BCS members don't view you guys as equals with them, much like some fans on here look down at App. NB is doing to App exactly what those fans do to ECU and I'm guessing he gets very upset about it. That is extremely hypocritical.

If you'd guys like to get back to discussing football I'm all for it. But that isn't what message boards are about anymore, we'd rather have a pissing match on here it seems.

Actually, Carolina is the only school that really treats us as unequal. VT, WVU, etc. have all acted very sensible in our pregame conversations in the past. Everyone knows we should be in a BCS conference

So why are you acting this way towards App?

Anyone that believes ECU should be in a BCS conference is likely using the same logic that would suggest that App should be in an FBS conference. Think about it.

App State is easily better than 25% of the FBS year in and year out and probably better than half of it in good years. I don't understand why they haven't gone FBS yet, especially considering some of the teams that have. I do understand that it would be rough going from competing for a NC every year to struggling with the rest of us. I know a lot of people in North Carolina don't want App to move up and I don't blame them but if they ever do decide to move up they will do fine I think. It might be ugly for a few years but they would make it.

They went to school in Concord, NC.

Gee, who could you be referring to here???? Concord????..........That statement being bolded and posted by the worst fan of the school that is more pissed than anyone that Charlotte DID start foobtall is both funny and sad.
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RE: ECU - App St. Game Thread
(08-29-2012 03:56 PM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:21 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:21 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:16 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 02:59 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Actually, Carolina is the only school that really treats us as unequal. VT, WVU, etc. have all acted very sensible in our pregame conversations in the past. Everyone knows we should be in a BCS conference

So why are you acting this way towards App?

Anyone that believes ECU should be in a BCS conference is likely using the same logic that would suggest that App should be in an FBS conference. Think about it.

App State is easily better than 25% of the FBS year in and year out and probably better than half of it in good years. I don't understand why they haven't gone FBS yet, especially considering some of the teams that have. I do understand that it would be rough going from competing for a NC every year to struggling with the rest of us. I know a lot of people in North Carolina don't want App to move up and I don't blame them but if they ever do decide to move up they will do fine I think. It might be ugly for a few years but they would make it.

They went to school in Concord, NC.

Gee, who could you be referring to here???? Concord????..........That statement being bolded and posted by the worst fan of the school that is more pissed than anyone that Charlotte DID start foobtall is both funny and sad.

Concord Highschool Spiders. Get over yosef...

Worst fan of the school though? That's quite a claim to fame since you spend more time on App boards than I do. You had to have encountered someone worse, somewhere right?
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RE: ECU vs Appalachian State this Saturday
(08-29-2012 03:06 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 02:12 PM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 01:18 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 11:54 AM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 10:19 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  This was a 99% markets idea. You can try to spin the rest of it whatever way you want to.

Ever hear of La. Tech?

La Tech brings something different to the table. The debate seems to be about why Charlotte got added.90% might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but you know that this round of FBS expansion is about markets first, football second, and everything else combined a distant, distant third. For some schools, market is a bigger factor then it is for others, but at the end of the day market the main factor in all this.

NO! The statement has been made that this expansion was strictly about "markets" and clearly it was not ALL about market and not 90%. Don't back-track now.......It is not reasonable to claim one team gets in ONLY because of where it is located but another team gets in because it "brings something different to the table".That sounds like something a crying App State fan would claim.

Its either "all about market" or its not......... Clearly its NOT, when La Tech (small market) got in at the same time Charlotte got in (large market).

LT is an established football program. CUSA is bringing in 3 FCS startups, another team in its FBS infancy, and another team that has been abysmal the last 5 or so years. I would imagine that CUSA needed an even number of teams, they needed an established program to offset (at least partially) the short term hit the conference is going to take while those other programs grow up, and they decided LT made the most sense. Just my guess though, I honestly don’t know that much about LT.

If you don’t think market/location is the absolute number one motivation behind all this, I really don’t know what to tell you. I’m not “crying”; I told you that I think Charlotte has a lot to offer. I’m just saying that market it the absolute number one driving force in all this, and I really can’t believe that somebody would argue that.

Then why does it only appear that the Charlotte people get grief rather than ODU or UTSA? I will admit we do seem to have a few fans who warrant it, but I hardly see much going their way.
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RE: ECU vs Appalachian State this Saturday
(08-29-2012 03:50 PM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:06 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 02:12 PM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 01:18 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 11:54 AM)919R Wrote:  Ever hear of La. Tech?

La Tech brings something different to the table. The debate seems to be about why Charlotte got added.90% might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but you know that this round of FBS expansion is about markets first, football second, and everything else combined a distant, distant third. For some schools, market is a bigger factor then it is for others, but at the end of the day market the main factor in all this.

NO! The statement has been made that this expansion was strictly about "markets" and clearly it was not ALL about market and not 90%. Don't back-track now.......It is not reasonable to claim one team gets in ONLY because of where it is located but another team gets in because it "brings something different to the table".That sounds like something a crying App State fan would claim.

Its either "all about market" or its not......... Clearly its NOT, when La Tech (small market) got in at the same time Charlotte got in (large market).

LT is an established football program. CUSA is bringing in 3 FCS startups, another team in its FBS infancy, and another team that has been abysmal the last 5 or so years. I would imagine that CUSA needed an even number of teams, they needed an established program to offset (at least partially) the short term hit the conference is going to take while those other programs grow up, and they decided LT made the most sense. Just my guess though, I honestly don’t know that much about LT.

If you don’t think market/location is the absolute number one motivation behind all this, I really don’t know what to tell you. I’m not “crying”; I told you that I think Charlotte has a lot to offer. I’m just saying that market it the absolute number one driving force in all this, and I really can’t believe that somebody would argue that.


.........but App fans say they "own" the Charlotte market anyway and the school itself claims they ARE in this market. Therefore, they should have been in either way, right.....

Before this turns into the typical message board sh** show of App/Charlotte going back and forth with worn out insults (or should I say UNC-Tweetsie/UNC-Concord AMIRITE), let me say that I don't agree with a lot of the stuff that some of our more vocal fans say about Charlotte. It goes both ways though. I'm sorry that a small sampling of our fanbase took some cheap shots at your school. Doesn't mean you have to get all bitchy when you encounter one that is trying to be civil.

Quote:Then why does it only appear that the Charlotte people get grief rather than ODU or UTSA? I will admit we do seem to have a few fans who warrant it, but I hardly see much going their way.

I don't think App and ODU/UTSA fans encounter each other much (online or off). Charlotte and App fans are obviously in close proximity to each other in real life, and online this fight has been going on longer then I can remember. AGS.com, the Charlotte Observer comments, this site. I don't know who started it but from what I've seen it comes from both sides and it's a very small minority of both of our fan bases.
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RE: ECU - App St. Game Thread
(08-29-2012 04:01 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:56 PM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:21 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:21 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:16 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  So why are you acting this way towards App?

Anyone that believes ECU should be in a BCS conference is likely using the same logic that would suggest that App should be in an FBS conference. Think about it.

App State is easily better than 25% of the FBS year in and year out and probably better than half of it in good years. I don't understand why they haven't gone FBS yet, especially considering some of the teams that have. I do understand that it would be rough going from competing for a NC every year to struggling with the rest of us. I know a lot of people in North Carolina don't want App to move up and I don't blame them but if they ever do decide to move up they will do fine I think. It might be ugly for a few years but they would make it.

They went to school in Concord, NC.

Gee, who could you be referring to here???? Concord????..........That statement being bolded and posted by the worst fan of the school that is more pissed than anyone that Charlotte DID start foobtall is both funny and sad.

Concord Highschool Spiders. Get over yosef...

Worst fan of the school though? That's quite a claim to fame since you spend more time on App boards than I do. You had to have encountered someone worse, somewhere right?

I've never posted on an "App board"......AGS, yes (but not lately) but thats not an "App board"......and no, you are the WORST AppHole. 04-chairshot
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RE: ECU vs Appalachian State this Saturday
(08-29-2012 04:17 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:50 PM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:06 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 02:12 PM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 01:18 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  La Tech brings something different to the table. The debate seems to be about why Charlotte got added.90% might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but you know that this round of FBS expansion is about markets first, football second, and everything else combined a distant, distant third. For some schools, market is a bigger factor then it is for others, but at the end of the day market the main factor in all this.

NO! The statement has been made that this expansion was strictly about "markets" and clearly it was not ALL about market and not 90%. Don't back-track now.......It is not reasonable to claim one team gets in ONLY because of where it is located but another team gets in because it "brings something different to the table".That sounds like something a crying App State fan would claim.

Its either "all about market" or its not......... Clearly its NOT, when La Tech (small market) got in at the same time Charlotte got in (large market).

LT is an established football program. CUSA is bringing in 3 FCS startups, another team in its FBS infancy, and another team that has been abysmal the last 5 or so years. I would imagine that CUSA needed an even number of teams, they needed an established program to offset (at least partially) the short term hit the conference is going to take while those other programs grow up, and they decided LT made the most sense. Just my guess though, I honestly don’t know that much about LT.

If you don’t think market/location is the absolute number one motivation behind all this, I really don’t know what to tell you. I’m not “crying”; I told you that I think Charlotte has a lot to offer. I’m just saying that market it the absolute number one driving force in all this, and I really can’t believe that somebody would argue that.


.........but App fans say they "own" the Charlotte market anyway and the school itself claims they ARE in this market. Therefore, they should have been in either way, right.....

Before this turns into the typical message board sh** show of App/Charlotte going back and forth with worn out insults (or should I say UNC-Tweetsie/UNC-Concord AMIRITE), let me say that I don't agree with a lot of the stuff that some of our more vocal fans say about Charlotte. It goes both ways though. I'm sorry that a small sampling of our fanbase took some cheap shots at your school. Doesn't mean you have to get all bitchy when you encounter one that is trying to be civil.

You first.....might want to re-read your posts above, before I even commented.
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RE: ECU vs Appalachian State this Saturday
(08-29-2012 06:12 PM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 04:17 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:50 PM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:06 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 02:12 PM)919R Wrote:  NO! The statement has been made that this expansion was strictly about "markets" and clearly it was not ALL about market and not 90%. Don't back-track now.......It is not reasonable to claim one team gets in ONLY because of where it is located but another team gets in because it "brings something different to the table".That sounds like something a crying App State fan would claim.

Its either "all about market" or its not......... Clearly its NOT, when La Tech (small market) got in at the same time Charlotte got in (large market).

LT is an established football program. CUSA is bringing in 3 FCS startups, another team in its FBS infancy, and another team that has been abysmal the last 5 or so years. I would imagine that CUSA needed an even number of teams, they needed an established program to offset (at least partially) the short term hit the conference is going to take while those other programs grow up, and they decided LT made the most sense. Just my guess though, I honestly don’t know that much about LT.

If you don’t think market/location is the absolute number one motivation behind all this, I really don’t know what to tell you. I’m not “crying”; I told you that I think Charlotte has a lot to offer. I’m just saying that market it the absolute number one driving force in all this, and I really can’t believe that somebody would argue that.


.........but App fans say they "own" the Charlotte market anyway and the school itself claims they ARE in this market. Therefore, they should have been in either way, right.....

Before this turns into the typical message board sh** show of App/Charlotte going back and forth with worn out insults (or should I say UNC-Tweetsie/UNC-Concord AMIRITE), let me say that I don't agree with a lot of the stuff that some of our more vocal fans say about Charlotte. It goes both ways though. I'm sorry that a small sampling of our fanbase took some cheap shots at your school. Doesn't mean you have to get all bitchy when you encounter one that is trying to be civil.

You first.....might want to re-read your posts above, before I even commented.

Totally man. I can see how giving my opinion on the thread topic while saying that I respect many things Charlotte brings to the table would provoke you to respond with cheap shots at App. My bad.
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(08-29-2012 08:19 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 06:12 PM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 04:17 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:50 PM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:06 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  LT is an established football program. CUSA is bringing in 3 FCS startups, another team in its FBS infancy, and another team that has been abysmal the last 5 or so years. I would imagine that CUSA needed an even number of teams, they needed an established program to offset (at least partially) the short term hit the conference is going to take while those other programs grow up, and they decided LT made the most sense. Just my guess though, I honestly don’t know that much about LT.

If you don’t think market/location is the absolute number one motivation behind all this, I really don’t know what to tell you. I’m not “crying”; I told you that I think Charlotte has a lot to offer. I’m just saying that market it the absolute number one driving force in all this, and I really can’t believe that somebody would argue that.


.........but App fans say they "own" the Charlotte market anyway and the school itself claims they ARE in this market. Therefore, they should have been in either way, right.....

Before this turns into the typical message board sh** show of App/Charlotte going back and forth with worn out insults (or should I say UNC-Tweetsie/UNC-Concord AMIRITE), let me say that I don't agree with a lot of the stuff that some of our more vocal fans say about Charlotte. It goes both ways though. I'm sorry that a small sampling of our fanbase took some cheap shots at your school. Doesn't mean you have to get all bitchy when you encounter one that is trying to be civil.

You first.....might want to re-read your posts above, before I even commented.

Totally man. I can see how giving my opinion on the thread topic while saying that I respect many things Charlotte brings to the table would provoke you to respond with cheap shots at App. My bad.

.....and how is me asking a legit question about why App didn't get in a "cheap shot"? App fans do claim the Charlotte market, so if true, why didn't they get in......especially if the expansion is "all" or even 90% market driven AND if thats true, how did LT get in? Sorry if those are tough questions, but they are not cheap shots.
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(08-29-2012 02:10 PM)CharSFNiner Wrote:  
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(08-29-2012 09:42 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  There's a disconnect between two sets of fans on this board.

There's the group that sees the whole picture.

Then there's the group that only sees things in terms of football.

Those that only see things in football terms will never think it was a good idea to pull in teams in larger TV markets and with solid institutional reputations, and that are good in other athletics besides football. The world is football only to them and if it wasn't a 99% football first idea than its wrong.

This was a 99% markets idea. You can try to spin the rest of it whatever way you want to.

Ever hear of La. Tech?

La Tech brings something different to the table. The debate seems to be about why Charlotte got added.

90% might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but you know that this round of FBS expansion is about markets first, football second, and everything else combined a distant, distant third. For some schools, market is a bigger factor then it is for others, but at the end of the day market the main factor in all this.

Charlotte brings a lot of other things to the table (basketball, success in non-revenue sports, academics) and I get why fans like you and 49R football would get defensive when somebody says otherwise. Those things add to the total package that CUSA is getting, but you know that market is the main reason you are going from FCS startup to CUSA. It’s the main reason schools like SMU and Houston are going to Big East over schools like Southern Miss and ECU, it’s the main reason schools like FIU and North Texas are going to CUSA over schools like MTSU and Arkansas State, it’s the main reason schools like Georgia State and Texas State are going to Sun Belt over schools like App and Georgia Southern. Not the only reason, but the main reason by a big margin. Location, Location, Location.


What does La Tech bring to the table? Ruston, LA? I mean I know they have a football team and all, but you never expanded beyond that.

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(08-30-2012 10:06 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 02:10 PM)CharSFNiner Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 01:18 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 11:54 AM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 10:19 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  This was a 99% markets idea. You can try to spin the rest of it whatever way you want to.

Ever hear of La. Tech?

La Tech brings something different to the table. The debate seems to be about why Charlotte got added.

90% might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but you know that this round of FBS expansion is about markets first, football second, and everything else combined a distant, distant third. For some schools, market is a bigger factor then it is for others, but at the end of the day market the main factor in all this.

Charlotte brings a lot of other things to the table (basketball, success in non-revenue sports, academics) and I get why fans like you and 49R football would get defensive when somebody says otherwise. Those things add to the total package that CUSA is getting, but you know that market is the main reason you are going from FCS startup to CUSA. It’s the main reason schools like SMU and Houston are going to Big East over schools like Southern Miss and ECU, it’s the main reason schools like FIU and North Texas are going to CUSA over schools like MTSU and Arkansas State, it’s the main reason schools like Georgia State and Texas State are going to Sun Belt over schools like App and Georgia Southern. Not the only reason, but the main reason by a big margin. Location, Location, Location.


What does La Tech bring to the table? Ruston, LA? I mean I know they have a football team and all, but you never expanded beyond that.

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Ahh... Good point. Those broads are legit.

As for App, I'd be lying if I said I didn't laugh as some of the sour grape fans and their musings. I know it's not all your fans. However, I get it. If I was in your situation and was bypassed by a school that didn't even have a team yet, I'd be pretty pissed, even if that school (as Happy has put it) has plenty of things going for it, and I wouldn't be out of line to state it has more going for it then App. I'm not going to apologize for having a better market, that just is what it is, and honestly our AD would be a complete moron not to play that card.

I wish you guys well, and honestly there is a part of me that wouldn't have minded you guys going FBS with us, as I'd like to think we would have scheduled each other as easy travel partners for at least the time being. It'd almost make too much sense. Then again our AD's have shown some shortsightedness, or so our fans would have others believe.
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(08-30-2012 09:10 AM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 08:19 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 06:12 PM)919R Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 04:17 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 03:50 PM)919R Wrote:  .........but App fans say they "own" the Charlotte market anyway and the school itself claims they ARE in this market. Therefore, they should have been in either way, right.....

Before this turns into the typical message board sh** show of App/Charlotte going back and forth with worn out insults (or should I say UNC-Tweetsie/UNC-Concord AMIRITE), let me say that I don't agree with a lot of the stuff that some of our more vocal fans say about Charlotte. It goes both ways though. I'm sorry that a small sampling of our fanbase took some cheap shots at your school. Doesn't mean you have to get all bitchy when you encounter one that is trying to be civil.

You first.....might want to re-read your posts above, before I even commented.

Totally man. I can see how giving my opinion on the thread topic while saying that I respect many things Charlotte brings to the table would provoke you to respond with cheap shots at App. My bad.

.....and how is me asking a legit question about why App didn't get in a "cheap shot"? App fans do claim the Charlotte market, so if true, why didn't they get in......especially if the expansion is "all" or even 90% market driven AND if thats true, how did LT get in? Sorry if those are tough questions, but they are not cheap shots.

Seems like a straw man to me. I never said that App "owns" the Charlotte market. I never said anything about App in the Charlotte market. If you want to know my opinion, I think we have a presence in the Charlotte market, but I certainly wouldn't rank us above any of the FBS (or future FBS schools) in the Carolinas. I think we have enough presence in the bigger NC markets to be a benefit to an FBS conference, but we obviously don't deliver the Charlotte market the same way that Charlotte does.

Let me ask you this: Do you think App delivers the Charlotte market in the same way (or anywhere close to the same way) as Charlotte? If the answer is no, then your comments have absolutely nothing to do with the point I was trying to make.
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(08-30-2012 10:52 AM)CharSFNiner Wrote:  
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(08-29-2012 02:10 PM)CharSFNiner Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 01:18 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 11:54 AM)919R Wrote:  Ever hear of La. Tech?

La Tech brings something different to the table. The debate seems to be about why Charlotte got added.

90% might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but you know that this round of FBS expansion is about markets first, football second, and everything else combined a distant, distant third. For some schools, market is a bigger factor then it is for others, but at the end of the day market the main factor in all this.

Charlotte brings a lot of other things to the table (basketball, success in non-revenue sports, academics) and I get why fans like you and 49R football would get defensive when somebody says otherwise. Those things add to the total package that CUSA is getting, but you know that market is the main reason you are going from FCS startup to CUSA. It’s the main reason schools like SMU and Houston are going to Big East over schools like Southern Miss and ECU, it’s the main reason schools like FIU and North Texas are going to CUSA over schools like MTSU and Arkansas State, it’s the main reason schools like Georgia State and Texas State are going to Sun Belt over schools like App and Georgia Southern. Not the only reason, but the main reason by a big margin. Location, Location, Location.


What does La Tech bring to the table? Ruston, LA? I mean I know they have a football team and all, but you never expanded beyond that.

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Ahh... Good point. Those broads are legit.

As for App, I'd be lying if I said I didn't laugh as some of the sour grape fans and their musings. I know it's not all your fans. However, I get it. If I was in your situation and was bypassed by a school that didn't even have a team yet, I'd be pretty pissed, even if that school (as Happy has put it) has plenty of things going for it, and I wouldn't be out of line to state it has more going for it then App. I'm not going to apologize for having a better market, that just is what it is, and honestly our AD would be a complete moron not to play that card.

I wish you guys well, and honestly there is a part of me that wouldn't have minded you guys going FBS with us, as I'd like to think we would have scheduled each other as easy travel partners for at least the time being. It'd almost make too much sense. Then again our AD's have shown some shortsightedness, or so our fans would have others believe.

Totally reasonable post, and obviously to these other FBS schools/conferences, Charlotte has more going for it then App. Charlotte moved to where App wants to be, so that point is not up for debate.

Where it gets tricky is saying how much of it is market and how much of it is everything else. That is where all these stupid fights/arguments come from. App fans say Charlotte brings nothing to the table in any area other then market, or Charlotte fans belittle our football history, then it just goes off into fighting over everything from admission standards to soccer attendance.

It's played out. I think Charlotte brings a lot more to the table then some App fans will give them credit for, but I also think that if you picked the App campus up and moved it to Charlotte, we would easily get into CUSA.
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RE: ECU vs Appalachian State this Saturday
(08-30-2012 12:13 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 10:52 AM)CharSFNiner Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 10:06 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 02:10 PM)CharSFNiner Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 01:18 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  La Tech brings something different to the table. The debate seems to be about why Charlotte got added.

90% might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but you know that this round of FBS expansion is about markets first, football second, and everything else combined a distant, distant third. For some schools, market is a bigger factor then it is for others, but at the end of the day market the main factor in all this.

Charlotte brings a lot of other things to the table (basketball, success in non-revenue sports, academics) and I get why fans like you and 49R football would get defensive when somebody says otherwise. Those things add to the total package that CUSA is getting, but you know that market is the main reason you are going from FCS startup to CUSA. It’s the main reason schools like SMU and Houston are going to Big East over schools like Southern Miss and ECU, it’s the main reason schools like FIU and North Texas are going to CUSA over schools like MTSU and Arkansas State, it’s the main reason schools like Georgia State and Texas State are going to Sun Belt over schools like App and Georgia Southern. Not the only reason, but the main reason by a big margin. Location, Location, Location.


What does La Tech bring to the table? Ruston, LA? I mean I know they have a football team and all, but you never expanded beyond that.

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Ahh... Good point. Those broads are legit.

As for App, I'd be lying if I said I didn't laugh as some of the sour grape fans and their musings. I know it's not all your fans. However, I get it. If I was in your situation and was bypassed by a school that didn't even have a team yet, I'd be pretty pissed, even if that school (as Happy has put it) has plenty of things going for it, and I wouldn't be out of line to state it has more going for it then App. I'm not going to apologize for having a better market, that just is what it is, and honestly our AD would be a complete moron not to play that card.

I wish you guys well, and honestly there is a part of me that wouldn't have minded you guys going FBS with us, as I'd like to think we would have scheduled each other as easy travel partners for at least the time being. It'd almost make too much sense. Then again our AD's have shown some shortsightedness, or so our fans would have others believe.

Totally reasonable post, and obviously to these other FBS schools/conferences, Charlotte has more going for it then App. Charlotte moved to where App wants to be, so that point is not up for debate.

Where it gets tricky is saying how much of it is market and how much of it is everything else. That is where all these stupid fights/arguments come from. App fans say Charlotte brings nothing to the table in any area other then market, or Charlotte fans belittle our football history, then it just goes off into fighting over everything from admission standards to soccer attendance.

It's played out. I think Charlotte brings a lot more to the table then some App fans will give them credit for, but I also think that if you picked the App campus up and moved it to Charlotte, we would easily get into CUSA.


Of course, because you'd have our market. Not absurd to state such a thing.
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RE: ECU vs Appalachian State this Saturday
(08-30-2012 12:13 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 10:52 AM)CharSFNiner Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 10:06 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 02:10 PM)CharSFNiner Wrote:  
(08-29-2012 01:18 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  La Tech brings something different to the table. The debate seems to be about why Charlotte got added.

90% might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but you know that this round of FBS expansion is about markets first, football second, and everything else combined a distant, distant third. For some schools, market is a bigger factor then it is for others, but at the end of the day market the main factor in all this.

Charlotte brings a lot of other things to the table (basketball, success in non-revenue sports, academics) and I get why fans like you and 49R football would get defensive when somebody says otherwise. Those things add to the total package that CUSA is getting, but you know that market is the main reason you are going from FCS startup to CUSA. It’s the main reason schools like SMU and Houston are going to Big East over schools like Southern Miss and ECU, it’s the main reason schools like FIU and North Texas are going to CUSA over schools like MTSU and Arkansas State, it’s the main reason schools like Georgia State and Texas State are going to Sun Belt over schools like App and Georgia Southern. Not the only reason, but the main reason by a big margin. Location, Location, Location.


What does La Tech bring to the table? Ruston, LA? I mean I know they have a football team and all, but you never expanded beyond that.

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Ahh... Good point. Those broads are legit.

As for App, I'd be lying if I said I didn't laugh as some of the sour grape fans and their musings. I know it's not all your fans. However, I get it. If I was in your situation and was bypassed by a school that didn't even have a team yet, I'd be pretty pissed, even if that school (as Happy has put it) has plenty of things going for it, and I wouldn't be out of line to state it has more going for it then App. I'm not going to apologize for having a better market, that just is what it is, and honestly our AD would be a complete moron not to play that card.

I wish you guys well, and honestly there is a part of me that wouldn't have minded you guys going FBS with us, as I'd like to think we would have scheduled each other as easy travel partners for at least the time being. It'd almost make too much sense. Then again our AD's have shown some shortsightedness, or so our fans would have others believe.

Totally reasonable post, and obviously to these other FBS schools/conferences, Charlotte has more going for it then App. Charlotte moved to where App wants to be, so that point is not up for debate.

Where it gets tricky is saying how much of it is market and how much of it is everything else. That is where all these stupid fights/arguments come from. App fans say Charlotte brings nothing to the table in any area other then market, or Charlotte fans belittle our football history, then it just goes off into fighting over everything from admission standards to soccer attendance.

It's played out. I think Charlotte brings a lot more to the table then some App fans will give them credit for, but I also think that if you picked the App campus up and moved it to Charlotte, we would easily get into CUSA.

We had the same arguments with JMU, then we beat them in football, so now all they have is a better stadium and we can fix that.
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Might as well post this here...

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Truth be told if App, UNCC, and ECU worked together they could be a force in the state of NC. But like a UNCC fan said earlier that makes too much sense.

How fun would it be to here App and UNCC fans calling into the local radio shows vs. the CH and State crap or Clemson/SC crap we are subjected to now?
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(08-30-2012 01:24 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Truth be told if App, UNCC, and ECU worked together they could be a force in the state of NC. But like a UNCC fan said earlier that makes too much sense.

How fun would it be to here App and UNCC fans calling into the local radio shows vs. the CH and State crap or Clemson/SC crap we are subjected to now?

It'd be nice, hell even when they do talk about us they tangent off onto those other schools.
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(08-30-2012 01:23 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  Might as well post this here...

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Justin Long is just horrible.
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Agreed. I enjoyed watching him get hit with dodge balls. That's the only movie I enjoyed of his.
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