(08-30-2012 03:49 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 01:53 AM)Shasta77 Wrote:  Why would they join the PAC 12? I think the PAC 12's media deal is worth 21 million per team. The new Big 12 deal is worth 20 million per school. Obviously Texas would spend more than a million on travel costs flying their teams to L.A., Seattle, Salt Lake, Pullman, etc. rather than Waco, Fort Worth, Dallas, Lubbock, etc. If Texas were to get West Virginia and Iowa State at home in a season, their longest trip (outside of KU/KSU, which is about 600 miles--a little over a one-hour flight) would be to Lubbock, 300 miles away. And with their bowl deal with the SEC, the money will just keep getting better. I don't see them going anywhere, and I think they'll continue to try to keep the Big 12 at 10 teams unless maybe Florida State and Clemson could be persuaded to join.

The #1 reason Texas wants to leave the B12 is because PAC-12 simply has more schools Texas wants to be associated with. Texas would much rather be associated with schools like Cal, Stanford, USC and UCLA. Texas also wants CA exposure.

In the B12, Texas is with bunch of academic lightweights. They just added WVU, who is now the worst ranked academic school in the B12. Do you think that make Texas happy? WVU was a body filler for #10. Nothing more and nothing less.

If LHN failed, Texas will look west because PAC-12 is the only conference that will allow TTECH to tag along. B1G wants Texas but they don't want TTECH. PAC-12 is also the only conference will accept OU/OSU plus 2 Texas schools.

Texas is only happy right now in the B12 because they control all of their little minions. In the PAC-12 with OU, Texas can earn even more money than what PAC-12 is getting now.

B12 better hope LHN would be a hit soon because that was the main reason PAC-12 did not want Texas. Larry Scott refused to allow Texas to get its own way. Scott said Texas has to share its tier-3 rights like everyone else in the PAC-12. Texas, of course, would never accept itself as an equal to rest of the teams. If LHN does fail, they might have to accept it. Like all schools, Texas will want to be with similar schools academically in a conference.

If texas and oklahoma leave the b12 for the pac 12 the real joke is on wvu.

Texas and ESPN seriously need to consider converting the Longhorn Network into a Big 12 Network operated by ESPN. That way, even though ESPN creates a "competitor," at least they will be getting a huge cut of whatever profits it eventually generates. Texas should admit failure and move on.

(08-29-2012 08:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 07:28 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Then again, if the Sooners get the itch again, anything is possible. I could see it happening the next go around.

Oklahoma found out the hard way that hey have few options without Texas. The big ten said no. The sec had no interest in the package of OU and OSU, and the PAC 12 treated Oklahoma like a kid and only talked with Texas allowing UT to decline for both of them.

Its not so much the Pac-12 treated Okie like a kid they just didn't want Okie State and/or Texas Tech without getting both Texas and Oklahoma.

(08-30-2012 04:23 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 03:49 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 01:53 AM)Shasta77 Wrote:  Why would they join the PAC 12? I think the PAC 12's media deal is worth 21 million per team. The new Big 12 deal is worth 20 million per school. Obviously Texas would spend more than a million on travel costs flying their teams to L.A., Seattle, Salt Lake, Pullman, etc. rather than Waco, Fort Worth, Dallas, Lubbock, etc. If Texas were to get West Virginia and Iowa State at home in a season, their longest trip (outside of KU/KSU, which is about 600 miles--a little over a one-hour flight) would be to Lubbock, 300 miles away. And with their bowl deal with the SEC, the money will just keep getting better. I don't see them going anywhere, and I think they'll continue to try to keep the Big 12 at 10 teams unless maybe Florida State and Clemson could be persuaded to join.

The #1 reason Texas wants to leave the B12 is because PAC-12 simply has more schools Texas wants to be associated with. Texas would much rather be associated with schools like Cal, Stanford, USC and UCLA. Texas also wants CA exposure.

In the B12, Texas is with bunch of academic lightweights. They just added WVU, who is now the worst ranked academic school in the B12. Do you think that make Texas happy? WVU was a body filler for #10. Nothing more and nothing less.

If LHN failed, Texas will look west because PAC-12 is the only conference that will allow TTECH to tag along. B1G wants Texas but they don't want TTECH. PAC-12 is also the only conference will accept OU/OSU plus 2 Texas schools.

Texas is only happy right now in the B12 because they control all of their little minions. In the PAC-12 with OU, Texas can earn even more money than what PAC-12 is getting now.

B12 better hope LHN would be a hit soon because that was the main reason PAC-12 did not want Texas. Larry Scott refused to allow Texas to get its own way. Scott said Texas has to share its tier-3 rights like everyone else in the PAC-12. Texas, of course, would never accept itself as an equal to rest of the teams. If LHN does fail, they might have to accept it. Like all schools, Texas will want to be with similar schools academically in a conference.

If texas and oklahoma leave the b12 for the pac 12 the real joke is on wvu.

Sometimes you have to roll the dice.....Go big or go home!

(08-30-2012 10:10 AM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  Texas and ESPN seriously need to consider converting the Longhorn Network into a Big 12 Network operated by ESPN. That way, even though ESPN creates a "competitor," at least they will be getting a huge cut of whatever profits it eventually generates. Texas should admit failure and move on.

Why would Texas just give up $11+ million a year? Whether or not LHN fails Texas will still get paid.

(08-30-2012 10:10 AM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  Texas and ESPN seriously need to consider converting the Longhorn Network into a Big 12 Network operated by ESPN. That way, even though ESPN creates a "competitor," at least they will be getting a huge cut of whatever profits it eventually generates. Texas should admit failure and move on.

ESPN created the LHN in part to prevent a Big XII Network from forming.

(08-30-2012 01:53 AM)Shasta77 Wrote:  Why would they join the PAC 12? I think the PAC 12's media deal is worth 21 million per team. The new Big 12 deal is worth 20 million per school. ...

I don't see them going anywhere, and I think they'll continue to try to keep the Big 12 at 10 teams unless maybe Florida State and Clemson could be persuaded to join.

So let me get this straight: you think the Big XII might add Clemson and FSU, and presumabel get more money for doing so, but if the Pac 12 added Texas and a few others, they would not also get more money?

(08-30-2012 10:22 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(08-29-2012 08:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 07:28 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Then again, if the Sooners get the itch again, anything is possible. I could see it happening the next go around.

Oklahoma found out the hard way that hey have few options without Texas. The big ten said no. The sec had no interest in the package of OU and OSU, and the PAC 12 treated Oklahoma like a kid and only talked with Texas allowing UT to decline for both of them.

Its not so much the Pac-12 treated Okie like a kid they just didn't want Okie State and/or Texas Tech without getting both Texas and Oklahoma.

They also told Oklahoma they were not intersted in them without Texas, OSU or not. Same thing the Big Ten said. The SEC was the only one that I know of who said they woudl take OU without OSU, but not both.

I'm hearing rumblings that AT&T U-verse is going to pick up the LHN. Anyone else hearing this?

(08-30-2012 12:16 PM)Comet Wrote:  I'm hearing rumblings that AT&T U-verse is going to pick up the LHN. Anyone else hearing this?

That is true. And people saying there is no demand, that is laughable.

(08-30-2012 03:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Tex will not get a big enough boost from any conf to leave the B12. They get 20 mil not counting longhorn, and if and when that folds they will still have tier 3 rights to sell. At worse they likely make 22 or 23 mil per year.

I'd say probably $25-26MM at least. Texas has the population of many small countries, and a majority of them wear burnt orange, and make the "devil-sign" several times a day.

(08-30-2012 12:18 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 12:16 PM)Comet Wrote:  I'm hearing rumblings that AT&T U-verse is going to pick up the LHN. Anyone else hearing this?

That is true. And people saying there is no demand, that is laughable.

Yeah, I agree. It;s not lack of demand. It's the asking price and lack of "must see" events to force cablers to back down and pay up. Also once they get one alternative to sign up, and if people start switching to AT&T, then you'll see others cave in.

West Virginia had better hope the B12 is strong. They've burned the bridges back east and the ACC and SEC never warmed to them.

(08-30-2012 12:51 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  West Virginia had better hope the B12 is strong. They've burned the bridges back east and the ACC and SEC never warmed to them.

No B12, the BE would have WVU back in a heartbeat. Burnt bridges or not......

(08-30-2012 12:51 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  West Virginia had better hope the B12 is strong. They've burned the bridges back east and the ACC and SEC never warmed to them.

Survival of B12 depends on the success of LHN. LHN is really the only thing keeping Horns in the B12 because no other conference would entertain it other than B12.

B12 is like a house of cards. Everything will depend on what Horns want down the road. ESPiN basically paid the Horns $15M to keep the B12 around so they don't get absorbed into the PAC-12/PAC-16. Horns will keep the B12 configuration to its liking as long as it will give Horns the easiest path to playoff or big bowl games. As long as Horns can keep LHN around and tell rest of minions what to do, I think B12 is safe.

I expect the next big movement is when PAC-12 TV deal is done. If PAC-12 can get much more money with Horns onboard, expect Horns to move west.

I really don't care how much ESPN is paying or how much Texas is making. The Longhorn Network is an expensive and ridiculous mistake. It's a complete boondoggle. ESPN got greedy and it blew up in their faces. Imagine how much better off everyone would have been if ESPN had worked with the league to create a Big 12 Network that it controlled, rather than trying to crush innovation, well everyone except Texas getting paid crazy money for a useless product would be better off anyway.

(08-30-2012 02:25 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  I really don't care how much ESPN is paying or how much Texas is making. The Longhorn Network is an expensive and ridiculous mistake. It's a complete boondoggle. ESPN got greedy and it blew up in their faces. Imagine how much better off everyone would have been if ESPN had worked with the league to create a Big 12 Network that it controlled, rather than trying to crush innovation, well everyone except Texas getting paid crazy money for a useless product would be better off anyway.

ESPiN knows Horns = B12. If they build B12 network, Horns could leave anytime they got a better offer and B12 would blow up. By paying $15M a year to Horns as bribe money, ESPiN made Horns feel more special than other B12 schools and kept Horns from looking around for a new home. ESPiN is merely protecting its business interest.

BTW, if PAC-12 lands Horns and OU, they will expect a lot more money from ESPiN. It is cheaper for ESPiN to pay Horns $15M to keep the B12 afloat. It is just business for ESPiN and Horns.

(08-30-2012 02:39 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  ESPiN knows Horns = B12. If they build B12 network, Horns could leave anytime they got a better offer and B12 would blow up. By paying $15M a year to Horns as bribe money, ESPiN made Horns feel more special than other B12 schools and kept Horns from looking around for a new home. ESPiN is merely protecting its business interest.

On top of that, conference networks compete directly with ESPN 2 nad ESPNU. ESPN does not want them if it can help it. That is why they are fighting against an SEC network, and did not allow for an ACC network (and choose syndication insetad). It is a win/win for ESPN.

(08-30-2012 12:18 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 12:16 PM)Comet Wrote:  I'm hearing rumblings that AT&T U-verse is going to pick up the LHN. Anyone else hearing this?

That is true. And people saying there is no demand, that is laughable.

Not sure where you are hearing the demand. I'm in Houston and work with many UT grads, none of them demand it. None of the fans of other Big 12 teams demand it. I haven't met one person that demands it. Most of the games are going to be of the body bag type. UT attempted to force TTech and offered them a nice payday and TTech refused to help them out.

(08-30-2012 08:56 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 12:18 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 12:16 PM)Comet Wrote:  I'm hearing rumblings that AT&T U-verse is going to pick up the LHN. Anyone else hearing this?

That is true. And people saying there is no demand, that is laughable.

Not sure where you are hearing the demand. I'm in Houston and work with many UT grads, none of them demand it. None of the fans of other Big 12 teams demand it. I haven't met one person that demands it. Most of the games are going to be of the body bag type. UT attempted to force TTech and offered them a nice payday and TTech refused to help them out.

Let's see, it is on the nightly news on all channels in Austin, bars in Austin, Houston, Dallas and San Antonio are asking for it so I guess someone wants it.

I could care less either way but people do want it. ESPN is bringing in large screen tvs to show it in Republic Square in Austin this weekend.

(08-30-2012 09:14 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 08:56 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 12:18 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 12:16 PM)Comet Wrote:  I'm hearing rumblings that AT&T U-verse is going to pick up the LHN. Anyone else hearing this?

That is true. And people saying there is no demand, that is laughable.

Not sure where you are hearing the demand. I'm in Houston and work with many UT grads, none of them demand it. None of the fans of other Big 12 teams demand it. I haven't met one person that demands it. Most of the games are going to be of the body bag type. UT attempted to force TTech and offered them a nice payday and TTech refused to help them out.

Let's see, it is on the nightly news on all channels in Austin, bars in Austin, Houston, Dallas and San Antonio are asking for it so I guess someone wants it.

It's now been over a year since ESPN launched the Longhorn Network.

Guess not enough people have been asking for it...because if there was this HUGE demand...every cable operator and sat company would have had it on-air by now...regardless of cost.