(08-28-2012 07:04 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 03:16 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Here's some math:

Every single team that had the option to be in CUSA or the Belt chose CUSA.

Every damn one of them, as would any other school here.

Let's be clear, those teams left solely for the current value of CUSA's tv deal. Unfortunately for you guys, about 2/3 of the value of that deal is tied to USM, ECU and Tulsa. Of those three, ECU wants out and into the Big East and the MWC is wanting UTEP and Tulsa. I have a feeling that Tulsa and UTEP will be in play once ECU finally leaves for the Big East.

Of course ECU wants out of C-USA and into the Big East, but that's been the case the entire time we have been in C-USA and for the entire existence of the Big East. Been trying to get in the Big East for over 20 years now, and they have picked probably close to 20 different teams during that time frame over us. It's safe to assume ECU is going to be in C-USA for a long time at this point.

(08-29-2012 01:21 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 07:04 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 03:16 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Here's some math:

Every single team that had the option to be in CUSA or the Belt chose CUSA.

Every damn one of them, as would any other school here.

Let's be clear, those teams left solely for the current value of CUSA's tv deal. Unfortunately for you guys, about 2/3 of the value of that deal is tied to USM, ECU and Tulsa. Of those three, ECU wants out and into the Big East and the MWC is wanting UTEP and Tulsa. I have a feeling that Tulsa and UTEP will be in play once ECU finally leaves for the Big East.

Of course ECU wants out of C-USA and into the Big East, but that's been the case the entire time we have been in C-USA and for the entire existence of the Big East. Been trying to get in the Big East for over 20 years now, and they have picked probably close to 20 different teams during that time frame over us. It's safe to assume ECU is going to be in C-USA for a long time at this point.

If I were you id say F The Big East....You can make waves in CUSA. If Boise State could make a BCS game twice in the WAC you can do the same in CUSA and maybe bypass the Big East for another down the road.

(08-29-2012 01:23 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(08-29-2012 01:21 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 07:04 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 03:16 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Here's some math:

Every single team that had the option to be in CUSA or the Belt chose CUSA.

Every damn one of them, as would any other school here.

Let's be clear, those teams left solely for the current value of CUSA's tv deal. Unfortunately for you guys, about 2/3 of the value of that deal is tied to USM, ECU and Tulsa. Of those three, ECU wants out and into the Big East and the MWC is wanting UTEP and Tulsa. I have a feeling that Tulsa and UTEP will be in play once ECU finally leaves for the Big East.

Of course ECU wants out of C-USA and into the Big East, but that's been the case the entire time we have been in C-USA and for the entire existence of the Big East. Been trying to get in the Big East for over 20 years now, and they have picked probably close to 20 different teams during that time frame over us. It's safe to assume ECU is going to be in C-USA for a long time at this point.

If I were you id say F The Big East....You can make waves in CUSA. If Boise State could make a BCS game twice in the WAC you can do the same in CUSA and maybe bypass the Big East for another down the road.

Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on that being possible. As long as the Big East is making vastly more money than C-USA and has better bowl tie ins then that will be a spot ECU would like to get. Sure ECU would want to get somewhere better than the Big East, but hell freezes over before ECU gets in the ACC, and I don't think the B12 or SEC are realistic either.

(08-29-2012 05:13 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 07:11 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 07:04 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  

(08-28-2012 03:16 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Here's some math:

Every single team that had the option to be in CUSA or the Belt chose CUSA.

Every damn one of them, as would any other school here.

Let's be clear, those teams left solely for the current value of CUSA's tv deal. Unfortunately for you guys, about 2/3 of the value of that deal is tied to USM, ECU and Tulsa. Of those three, ECU wants out and into the Big East and the MWC is wanting UTEP and Tulsa. I have a feeling that Tulsa and UTEP will be in play once ECU finally leaves for the Big East.

TBH - if the "major players" were even MORE so poached by other conferences, I don't think it would be logistical to move from SBC to CUSA. Lateral, at best, if that were to happen.

MT would jump at the chance to make that so called "lateral" move you speak of. Only an idiot would think differently.

Right now, yes...not in 5 years. Like I said; If the offer is coming, they shouldn't wait too long.

East Carolina should be taken by the nBE. Should have been taken years ago. Would imagine they will have a tremendous winning percentage in the nCUSA though. Not much competition.
ECU would have a shot at the ACC if not for the TarHoles and Duke. Would really make waves if could have gotten into the SEC. Geography would have put them face to face over ACC schools with SEC backing. Not gonna happen but I would like to see it.
Is there any team in the world that doesn't want to change conferences except the top couple of conferences?
A school kept out because of perceived marketing area, that gets old.

(08-30-2012 05:37 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  East Carolina should be taken by the nBE. Should have been taken years ago. Would imagine they will have a tremendous winning percentage in the nCUSA though. Not much competition.
ECU would have a shot at the ACC if not for the TarHoles and Duke. Would really make waves if could have gotten into the SEC. Geography would have put them face to face over ACC schools with SEC backing. Not gonna happen but I would like to see it.
Is there any team in the world that doesn't want to change conferences except the top couple of conferences?
A school kept out because of perceived marketing area, that gets old.

ECU isn't getting in the ACC. Even if UNC didn't object. Here's why. Academics and geography. West Virginia got stiffed repeatedly by the ACC (with a higher profile program, more fan support, more research dollars, additional markets, and rivalries) due to academics and geography.

This isn't meant to be a dig on ECU's academics. But they don't get the funding from the state to be UNC, Uva, UMD, etc.

(08-30-2012 05:37 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  East Carolina should be taken by the nBE. Should have been taken years ago.

The Big East is composed primarily of urban schools that emphasize basketball, but also happen to play football, with a base originating in the Northeast. East Carolina is a rural Mid-Atlantic school in the middle of ACC territory that primarily emphasizes football. It has never been a fit in the eyes of the people who make these decisions and most likely will never be a fit.

Before anyone says Virginia Tech and West Virginia, the Big East only took those schools under force, and many basketball schools don't care about them leaving. You may not know this, but the Big East made Miami a full member in 1989, joining BC, Syracuse, and Pitt, in advance of starting football. Rutgers, Temple, West Virginia, and Virginia Tech were football-only.

In 1994, CBS offered the eight football schools a huge contract, but only by forming their own league. Rather than taking the money, and letting CBS bankroll them, they demanded that the Big East admit the football-onlies as full members. But the Big East compromised by adding Rutgers and West Virginia, along with Notre Dame, while screwing Temple and Virginia Tech.

A few years later, Virginia Tech was reluctantly given full membership, but hurt feelings lingered over the whole process. The movement to expel Temple over its football woes started shortly afterward, since UConn was preparing to move up, and Villanova would never agree to Temple as a full member. While deserved, other solutions should have been attempted first.

The only way East Carolina ever gets back with the football school now in the Big East, it will not be the Big East, since the Catholic basketball schools will have split, along with Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, hopefully Temple, and possibly Cincinnati having found homes in other leagues. Not the Big East. It will simply be a CUSA Reunion. Easier to just absorb the remnants.