(08-25-2012 10:44 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  So, if I correctly understand, just to get Boise State into the Big West...

1. Boise needs to pay the league $750K per year so the rest of the teams can travel
2. The Big East is required to play series vs. their teams?

Sure you don't need anything else, there, Big West?

The BW is basically a southern California bus league, plus Hawaii. Their northernmost member, Pacific is moving to the WCC. Long Beach, Fullerton, Cal Poly, Riverside, Northridge, Irvine, Santa Barbara, and now SDSU are manageable bus rides.

Boise doesn't field a men's baseball team and this sport, perhaps, is king in the BW. Both Fullerton and Irvine have won national championships in recent years and very recently Long Beach had more players in the pros than any other school in the nation.

From a BW perspective, Boise adds almost nothing ... even as a former BW member. An argument can be made, successfully so in my opinion, that on a standalone basis, Boise harms (financially and convenience-wise) more than helps the schools in the BW. Boise's non-revenue sports won't fill seats at BW venues. In fact, the addition of Boise means that for men's basketball there will be one more rung on the ladder to climb to secure the BW's single bid.

The BW didn't "need" or even want Boise. Boise alone fills none of its needs and adds to the tight expense budgets of each school in added travel costs. But the BW does need cash and good teams to play in its men's basketball arenas. So, it was up to the BE and Boise to "make it worth their while".

Northernmost member, Where did UC Davis go?

(08-25-2012 02:50 PM)dalbc Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 10:44 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  So, if I correctly understand, just to get Boise State into the Big West...

1. Boise needs to pay the league $750K per year so the rest of the teams can travel
2. The Big East is required to play series vs. their teams?

Sure you don't need anything else, there, Big West?

The BW is basically a southern California bus league, plus Hawaii. Their northernmost member, Pacific is moving to the WCC. Long Beach, Fullerton, Cal Poly, Riverside, Northridge, Irvine, Santa Barbara, and now SDSU are manageable bus rides.

Boise doesn't field a men's baseball team and this sport, perhaps, is king in the BW. Both Fullerton and Irvine have won national championships in recent years and very recently Long Beach had more players in the pros than any other school in the nation.

From a BW perspective, Boise adds almost nothing ... even as a former BW member. An argument can be made, successfully so in my opinion, that on a standalone basis, Boise harms (financially and convenience-wise) more than helps the schools in the BW. Boise's non-revenue sports won't fill seats at BW venues. In fact, the addition of Boise means that for men's basketball there will be one more rung on the ladder to climb to secure the BW's single bid.

The BW didn't "need" or even want Boise. Boise alone fills none of its needs and adds to the tight expense budgets of each school in added travel costs. But the BW does need cash and good teams to play in its men's basketball arenas. So, it was up to the BE and Boise to "make it worth their while".

1. With more money Boise can start sponsoring more sports i.e.
baseball.

2. The Big West now has a 3rd member who casual fans have heard of and in fact they are the most well known school now in the Big West.

3. The new Big East TV deal could lead to a much higher level of TV exposure for Boise which will lead to better athletes in all sports. Not to mention that they will be playing more OOC games against Big East schools.

4. The addition of the Big East schools (SD and Boise) will help bump up the RPI of the Big West with this agreement. LB or UCSB getting series against GTown, Nova or Marquette would be huge for the Big West. Now those games would fill up your arenas more than usual. Also prob get you guys on TV more than you do now.

I don't think Big West fans realize that if they didn't take Boise, they likely wouldn't have SDSU, either. And both definitely do something for the Big West. It si NOT a one-way street, even beyond the money.

(08-25-2012 11:41 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 11:31 AM)BoiseAlum Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 10:44 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  So, if I correctly understand, just to get Boise State into the Big West...

1. Boise needs to pay the league $750K per year so the rest of the teams can travel
2. The Big East is required to play series vs. their teams?

Sure you don't need anything else, there, Big West?

Personally, I think the BW took full advantage of the situation with BE/Boise needing to find a home for Boise's Oly sports. I think we got worked over the coals just a little, but it's all good I guess.

Probably true but I don't blame them, they had something we wanted which they offered at an acceptable price. It's all business.

Compared to the increase BSU will rake in for FB very soon (especially compared to what they are getting in the MWC), I expect paying 750K to ensure quality Olympic sports is not that much. Olympic sports matter too, especially to all the student athletes. BSU is a class act program from top to bottom.

I think this is a fantastic way to get more exposure in the West. Louisville has a long history of West Coast Basketball recruiting and the chance that players families can see their Kids play games close by is a bonus on westward swings. It should also help the Midwest, East coast schools recruit in the West for Football. Very positive move.

There is not one school in this list that would excite me if I saw them on the Memphis basketball schedule.

California Polytechnic State University (Cal Poly San Luis Obispo)
California State University, Fullerton (Cal State Fullerton)
California State University, Northridge (Cal State Northridge)
California State University, Long Beach (Long Beach State)
University of California, Davis (UC Davis)
University of California, Irvine (UC Irvine)
University of California, Riverside (UC Riverside)
University of California, Santa Barbara (UC Santa Barbara)
University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa
Boise State
San Diego State

I know Memphis agreed to play BSU and SDSU for a few years as a condition of getting added to the Big East, but it should end there. Schools need to be allowed to make up their own non-conference schedule.

(08-25-2012 02:50 PM)dalbc Wrote:  The BW is basically a southern California bus league, plus Hawaii. Their northernmost member, Pacific is moving to the WCC. Long Beach, Fullerton, Cal Poly, Riverside, Northridge, Irvine, Santa Barbara, and now SDSU are manageable bus rides.

Boise doesn't field a men's baseball team and this sport, perhaps, is king in the BW. Both Fullerton and Irvine have won national championships in recent years and very recently Long Beach had more players in the pros than any other school in the nation.

From a BW perspective, Boise adds almost nothing ... even as a former BW member. An argument can be made, successfully so in my opinion, that on a standalone basis, Boise harms (financially and convenience-wise) more than helps the schools in the BW. Boise's non-revenue sports won't fill seats at BW venues. In fact, the addition of Boise means that for men's basketball there will be one more rung on the ladder to climb to secure the BW's single bid.

The BW didn't "need" or even want Boise. Boise alone fills none of its needs and adds to the tight expense budgets of each school in added travel costs. But the BW does need cash and good teams to play in its men's basketball arenas. So, it was up to the BE and Boise to "make it worth their while".

(08-25-2012 04:12 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think Big West fans realize that if they didn't take Boise, they likely wouldn't have SDSU, either. And both definitely do something for the Big West. It si NOT a one-way street, even beyond the money.

Bingo.

(08-25-2012 05:28 PM)TOGC Wrote:  There is not one school in this list that would excite me if I saw them on the Memphis basketball schedule.

I know Memphis agreed to play BSU and SDSU for a few years as a condition of getting added to the Big East, but it should end there. Schools need to be allowed to make up their own non-conference schedule.

Agreed, we "paid at the door." Most of our programs are already national brands and recruit coast to coast on our own strength. If it's not UCLA, most
Tiger fans aren't interested in the west. Tiger boosters and fans will likely freak if asked to give up more quality games. Have to think of those ticket sales as well.

I have no problem if some of our lesser teams take part, but it would be lame as hell if it's only the new all-sport members doing the lifting.

I can see more 10 pm tipoff times being of some value to some TV executive.

If nothing else, you would think this would significantly raise the value of the Big West's Basketball TV package from whatever it is now. SDSU alone does that.

(08-25-2012 02:50 PM)dalbc Wrote:  snip.....

Boise State and LBS will have one thing in common.


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-...ncaab.html

(08-25-2012 06:09 PM)Bambu Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 05:28 PM)TOGC Wrote:  There is not one school in this list that would excite me if I saw them on the Memphis basketball schedule.

I know Memphis agreed to play BSU and SDSU for a few years as a condition of getting added to the Big East, but it should end there. Schools need to be allowed to make up their own non-conference schedule.

Agreed, we "paid at the door." Most of our programs are already national brands and recruit coast to coast on our own strength. If it's not UCLA, most
Tiger fans aren't interested in the west. Tiger boosters and fans will likely freak if asked to give up more quality games. Have to think of those ticket sales as well.

I have no problem if some of our lesser teams take part, but it would be lame as hell if it's only the new all-sport members doing the lifting.

Memphis will be looking to tone down it's OOC scheduling since it's conference line up is about to improve dramatically. They don't need to depend on OOC to get it's RPI up anymore.

If Tiger fans aren't interested in doing whats best for the league than I guess they would rather stay in CUSA and keep their OOC games. Though I know what every sane minded memphis fan would say. "Bring on Long Beach State!"

(08-25-2012 07:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 06:09 PM)Bambu Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 05:28 PM)TOGC Wrote:  There is not one school in this list that would excite me if I saw them on the Memphis basketball schedule.

I know Memphis agreed to play BSU and SDSU for a few years as a condition of getting added to the Big East, but it should end there. Schools need to be allowed to make up their own non-conference schedule.

Agreed, we "paid at the door." Most of our programs are already national brands and recruit coast to coast on our own strength. If it's not UCLA, most
Tiger fans aren't interested in the west. Tiger boosters and fans will likely freak if asked to give up more quality games. Have to think of those ticket sales as well.

I have no problem if some of our lesser teams take part, but it would be lame as hell if it's only the new all-sport members doing the lifting.

Memphis will be looking to tone down it's OOC scheduling since it's conference line up is about to improve dramatically. They don't need to depend on OOC to get it's RPI up anymore.

If Tiger fans aren't interested in doing whats best for the league than I guess they would rather stay in CUSA and keep their OOC games. Though I know what every sane minded memphis fan would say. "Bring on Long Beach State!"

Exactly. Long Beach State is a good team. If you follow all of college basketball, you know that. And SDSU was a Top 25 team last year. IF we pick and choose, some games would be fine.

(08-25-2012 05:28 PM)TOGC Wrote:  There is not one school in this list that would excite me if I saw them on the Memphis basketball schedule.

California Polytechnic State University (Cal Poly San Luis Obispo)
California State University, Fullerton (Cal State Fullerton)
California State University, Northridge (Cal State Northridge)
California State University, Long Beach (Long Beach State)
University of California, Davis (UC Davis)
University of California, Irvine (UC Irvine)
University of California, Riverside (UC Riverside)
University of California, Santa Barbara (UC Santa Barbara)
University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa
Boise State
San Diego State

I know Memphis agreed to play BSU and SDSU for a few years as a condition of getting added to the Big East, but it should end there. Schools need to be allowed to make up their own non-conference schedule.

So, SDSU doesn't excite you?

FYI...

The Aztecs, who finished the 2011-12 campaign with a 26-8 record, are coming off their fourth straight season with at least 25 victories and their third consecutive NCAA Tournament appearance. In each of the last seven years, the back-to-back Mountain West regular-season co-champions have won 20 or more games and have advanced to the postseason.

In addition, UCSB & Long Beach State are solid teams.

(08-25-2012 08:24 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 05:28 PM)TOGC Wrote:  There is not one school in this list that would excite me if I saw them on the Memphis basketball schedule.

California Polytechnic State University (Cal Poly San Luis Obispo)
California State University, Fullerton (Cal State Fullerton)
California State University, Northridge (Cal State Northridge)
California State University, Long Beach (Long Beach State)
University of California, Davis (UC Davis)
University of California, Irvine (UC Irvine)
University of California, Riverside (UC Riverside)
University of California, Santa Barbara (UC Santa Barbara)
University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa
Boise State
San Diego State

I know Memphis agreed to play BSU and SDSU for a few years as a condition of getting added to the Big East, but it should end there. Schools need to be allowed to make up their own non-conference schedule.

So, SDSU doesn't excite you?

FYI...

The Aztecs, who finished the 2011-12 campaign with a 26-8 record, are coming off their fourth straight season with at least 25 victories and their third consecutive NCAA Tournament appearance. In each of the last seven years, the back-to-back Mountain West regular-season co-champions have won 20 or more games and have advanced to the postseason.

In addition, UCSB & Long Beach State are solid teams.

No, SDSU doesn't excite me. In fact, it bores me to tears. You just had four straight 25+ win seasons? Memphis has had six in the last seven years, and finished with 24 wins in that other season. In there was a string of four consecutive 33+ win seasons.

SDSU, Long Beach State, and UCSB have a combined twelve NCAA appearances in the last 20 years. By comparison, Memphis has eleven.

I guess our definitions of "solid" are different.

(08-25-2012 07:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Memphis will be looking to tone down it's OOC scheduling since it's conference line up is about to improve dramatically. They don't need to depend on OOC to get it's RPI up anymore.

That is true but if we're going to play creampuffs for our non-conference games, they should be home games only. There is absolutely nothing to gain by travelling across the country to play a team that is an RPI drain.

(08-25-2012 07:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  If Tiger fans aren't interested in doing whats best for the league than I guess they would rather stay in CUSA and keep their OOC games. Though I know what every sane minded memphis fan would say. "Bring on Long Beach State!"

We will be one of the top basketball teams in the conference, both in games won and home attendance. Let DePaul take one for the team.

(08-25-2012 09:05 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 08:24 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 05:28 PM)TOGC Wrote:  There is not one school in this list that would excite me if I saw them on the Memphis basketball schedule.

California Polytechnic State University (Cal Poly San Luis Obispo)
California State University, Fullerton (Cal State Fullerton)
California State University, Northridge (Cal State Northridge)
California State University, Long Beach (Long Beach State)
University of California, Davis (UC Davis)
University of California, Irvine (UC Irvine)
University of California, Riverside (UC Riverside)
University of California, Santa Barbara (UC Santa Barbara)
University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa
Boise State
San Diego State

I know Memphis agreed to play BSU and SDSU for a few years as a condition of getting added to the Big East, but it should end there. Schools need to be allowed to make up their own non-conference schedule.

So, SDSU doesn't excite you?

FYI...

The Aztecs, who finished the 2011-12 campaign with a 26-8 record, are coming off their fourth straight season with at least 25 victories and their third consecutive NCAA Tournament appearance. In each of the last seven years, the back-to-back Mountain West regular-season co-champions have won 20 or more games and have advanced to the postseason.

In addition, UCSB & Long Beach State are solid teams.

No, SDSU doesn't excite me. In fact, it bores me to tears. You just had four straight 25+ win seasons? Memphis has had six in the last seven years, and finished with 24 wins in that other season. In there was a string of four consecutive 33+ win seasons.

SDSU, Long Beach State, and UCSB have a combined twelve NCAA appearances in the last 20 years. By comparison, Memphis has eleven.

I guess our definitions of "solid" are different.

You'll be singing a different tune after we beat you

I doubt that you are going to see any Olympic sports being played between the Big East/Big West. I think it is limited to basketball and even the number of games will be limited.

(08-25-2012 09:23 PM)monty Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 09:05 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 08:24 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 05:28 PM)TOGC Wrote:  There is not one school in this list that would excite me if I saw them on the Memphis basketball schedule.

California Polytechnic State University (Cal Poly San Luis Obispo)
California State University, Fullerton (Cal State Fullerton)
California State University, Northridge (Cal State Northridge)
California State University, Long Beach (Long Beach State)
University of California, Davis (UC Davis)
University of California, Irvine (UC Irvine)
University of California, Riverside (UC Riverside)
University of California, Santa Barbara (UC Santa Barbara)
University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa
Boise State
San Diego State

I know Memphis agreed to play BSU and SDSU for a few years as a condition of getting added to the Big East, but it should end there. Schools need to be allowed to make up their own non-conference schedule.

So, SDSU doesn't excite you?

FYI...

The Aztecs, who finished the 2011-12 campaign with a 26-8 record, are coming off their fourth straight season with at least 25 victories and their third consecutive NCAA Tournament appearance. In each of the last seven years, the back-to-back Mountain West regular-season co-champions have won 20 or more games and have advanced to the postseason.

In addition, UCSB & Long Beach State are solid teams.

No, SDSU doesn't excite me. In fact, it bores me to tears. You just had four straight 25+ win seasons? Memphis has had six in the last seven years, and finished with 24 wins in that other season. In there was a string of four consecutive 33+ win seasons.

SDSU, Long Beach State, and UCSB have a combined twelve NCAA appearances in the last 20 years. By comparison, Memphis has eleven.

I guess our definitions of "solid" are different.

You'll be singing a different tune after we beat you

You're welcome to try, although I'm not sweating that game one bit.

(08-25-2012 05:53 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(08-25-2012 04:12 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think Big West fans realize that if they didn't take Boise, they likely wouldn't have SDSU, either. And both definitely do something for the Big West. It si NOT a one-way street, even beyond the money.

Bingo.

If you say so. As a graduate of both a BE and BW school, I may have a different perspective.

I don't think the BW schools would care all that much if SDSU bailed. The funding situation for the CA public universities not named California and UCLA are dire ... particularly for athletics.

Exactly where would SDSU go if not for the BW? A reconstituted WAC filled with a widely-dispersed bunch of unknown schools? The WCC with the University of San Diego Toreros and a handful of other private schools? Back to obscurity in the MWC and out of the BE?