(08-16-2012 08:17 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  You go to pods you bring in 2 from the west (BYU and UNLV) 1 for East (), and 1 for South (

East
UConn/Navy/Rutgers/Temple

South
USF/UCF/Houston/SMU

Midwest
UC/UL/Memphis/ECU

West
Boise/SDSU/BYU/UNLV

Ok I just Wilkied.....
:)

Yes you did and NO! Pods = Bad..... Besides the conference needs more western content.

Think of it like this:

You currently have 12 games in the Western time zone and 12 games in the Mountain Time Zone with more in the Central and Eastern Time Zones. If you add a second team in California and in the Mountain Time Zone then you have 24 games in each and arguably more to sell. More games equals more viewers and more possibility to sell Adds and generate even more revenue. Adding more teams in the Eastern and Central time zones adds virtually nothing to the package.

I'm starting to like the idea of taking BYU and Fresno, and telling Navy to stay home.

And no, I don't want to take BYU, AFA and Fresno, and go to 16. Too many FB teams. We'd rarely see some of them, if we stick with an 8 game conference schedule. Even worse than with 14.

(08-16-2012 08:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm starting to like the idea of taking BYU and Fresno, and telling Navy to stay home.

Yeah I wasn't on board at first but once I started to think about it. It grew on me.

(08-16-2012 08:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm starting to like the idea of taking BYU and Fresno, and telling Navy to stay home.

And no, I don't want to take BYU, AFA and Fresno, and go to 16. Too many FB teams. We'd rarely see some of them, if we stick with an 8 game conference schedule. Even worse than with 14.

I believe that if they ever did go to 16 teams it would be for the inventory and only if we went with a 9 game conference schedule. That gives more exclusive inventory to the Partner Network and of course deprive rivals of said inventory.

(08-16-2012 08:34 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(08-16-2012 08:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm starting to like the idea of taking BYU and Fresno, and telling Navy to stay home.

And no, I don't want to take BYU, AFA and Fresno, and go to 16. Too many FB teams. We'd rarely see some of them, if we stick with an 8 game conference schedule. Even worse than with 14.

I believe that if they ever did go to 16 teams it would be for the inventory and only if we went with a 9 game conference schedule. That gives more exclusive inventory to the Partner Network and of course deprive rivals of said inventory.

Yeah, I agree. I just don't like 16 teams. Hard to play everybody. Nobody else is at 16, so I think 14 makes more sense.

I really like you Louisville fans. I respect that you want the best for your team and your school, and you think it lies in the Big 12, but take it from someone who was in school during the SWC years when I say, if you got in, you would probably want out pretty quick. If you doubt me just ask A&M, Missouri, Colorado, or Nebraska.

Texas runs the big 12-4+2....completely, with their voting block. They like the league at 10 so they don't have to play an extra game to make the BCS bowl, and shortly the top 4 for the playoff. All they have to do is beat Oklahoma, and visa versa. What Texas wants they get. They don't need more money. They already are the riches team in College football. Now, all they want is publicity. It is all about winning championships for them, and 10 is a better number that lends itself to doing that.

I am not saying they would never consider adding a team. There are a few out there, like a ND, but there is nobody in this conference that they need to add or are inclined to add.

Here is a little scenario for you that I believe, knowing delouse dudds (yes I mispelled it on purpose, because he is a louse and a dudd) behavior and what he has said pubicly, would come about if Louisville or any other school in the Big East were to 'inquire' again.


Secretary: (phone ringing and she picks up) Hello, UT Athletic department.

Louisville: Yes, hello is mr. dudds available?

Secretary: Mr. dudds, you have a phone call.

DD: (sitting at his desk and counting his multi millions...while laughing at the ESPiN he ripped off). Ask who it is.

Secretary: Who may I say is calling?

Louisville: Tell him it is the U of L calling.

Secretary: It is the University of Louisville.

DD: D*****, can't they take a hint. Tell them I am on the john and can't be disturbed or sticking pins in an A&M doll, or on the phone with the NCAA infraction committee getting Baylor investigated.

Secretary: I am sorry, Mr. Dudd's is on the john and cannot be disturbed.

Louisville: Oh, sorry to bother. We will call back...tomorrow.

I am poking a little at you guys, and I hope you took it that way, but trust me when I say you are much better off in the long run not associating with them. We did it once, and when we were running them off the field in the late 80's they got the NCAA after us, as they had done most of the other SWC programs. It took us almost 15 years to recover. I hope Houston NEVER associates or plays them again...unless it is for the National Championship.

There are bold comments made by most of us on this site, because we will never be in those positions to make those big money decisions. I am certain that if the Big East gets $18-$20 million in the new TV deal, all the University Presidents will do the right thing and sign the GOR to the Big East...including Louisville.

On a side note, can't wait to play you guys again. You are always welcome at my tailgate.

(08-16-2012 08:59 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(08-16-2012 05:00 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 11:16 PM)k5james Wrote:  Yeah? Which team out west brings an untapped market our size with a successful football team that has the pull to get Boise in the BW.

Name one, I'll wait.

The hilarity of this coming from Memphis fan is just delicious.

Correction. Memphis is coming in as an ALL-SPORTS member. We don't have ours split over several conferences.

Several? It's two, and if we weren't 2000 miles away we wouldn't be either. Don't act like its anything other than geography that makes us football only members.

Don't act like its anything other than Boise State that got you in as a football member.

(08-16-2012 09:00 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(08-16-2012 08:49 AM)Road Apple Wrote:  

(08-16-2012 07:36 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think Boise, San Diego and Navy should be given all-sports membership in the Big East, if they want it!

That would be nice and that day might come...but right now I think the travel for all sports would a tremendous burden. Our basketball program alone would rack up some serious frequent flyer miles, not counting the physical toll exacted crossing so many timezones on nearly a weekly basis.

Longterm, the nBE might need to consider a western division for all sports at sometime down the road.

For this thing to have any chance of surviving long term, there needs to be a western all sports division.

This would be a horrible idea. I'd rather ditch the western teams than add the rest of their olympic sports.

(08-16-2012 08:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm starting to like the idea of taking BYU and Fresno, and telling Navy to stay home.

And no, I don't want to take BYU, AFA and Fresno, and go to 16. Too many FB teams. We'd rarely see some of them, if we stick with an 8 game conference schedule. Even worse than with 14.

East
UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Cincinnati
Louisville
UCF
USF

West
SDSU
Fresno
Boise
SMU
Houston
Memphis

This would work

^ Wilkie, I think you inadvertently left out BYU. I also hate your divisions, lol.

(08-17-2012 12:36 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(08-16-2012 08:29 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm starting to like the idea of taking BYU and Fresno, and telling Navy to stay home.

And no, I don't want to take BYU, AFA and Fresno, and go to 16. Too many FB teams. We'd rarely see some of them, if we stick with an 8 game conference schedule. Even worse than with 14.

East
UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Cincinnati
Louisville
UCF
USF

West
SDSU
Fresno
Boise
SMU
Houston
Memphis

This would work

You forgot Navy...if stuck here I hope it looks like this:

BIG EAST
Old School
Louisville
Cincinnati
South Florida
UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Central Florida

Nu Skool
Boise State
SMU
Houston
Navy
San Diego State
Memphis
BYU/AFA/Fresno State

Maize, nobody forgot Navy. We were talking about my idea of taking BYU and Fresno and dis-inviting Navy, lol.

(08-17-2012 07:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Maize, nobody forgot Navy. We were talking about my idea of taking BYU and Fresno and dis-inviting Navy, lol.

Dis-Inviting Navy=hurting TV Contract.......dumbest idea in a while...juz sayn...

(08-17-2012 07:43 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 07:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Maize, nobody forgot Navy. We were talking about my idea of taking BYU and Fresno and dis-inviting Navy, lol.

Dis-Inviting Navy=hurting TV Contract.......dumbest idea in a while...juz sayn...

I didn't say it was a smart idea. I said it is what I would personally like. My personal preference.

But I would argue with you that Navy doesn't do much for the TV contract. The only Navy "home" game that draws is Army-Navy in Philadelphia.

BYU is a no-brainer, and Fresno would make two teams in California, the biggest state in the country, and a hot recruiting area. And the upside for Fresno (or any other candidate) is MUCH higher than it is for Navy, who is never going to be great in football.

I'm not saying it will happen, b/c I doubt the BE would do that. I'm just saying what I personally prefer, so it's not a dumb idea. It's just MY preference, and I'm a Navy war vet, so I'm certainly not prejudiced against them. Just practical.

I never understood why Marinatto and Tranghese were so enamored with the service academies. For football, they don't make a lot of sense to me. And having Army in C-USA certainly didn't do anything for that conference.

So, go get your own preferences.

(08-17-2012 07:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 07:43 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 07:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Maize, nobody forgot Navy. We were talking about my idea of taking BYU and Fresno and dis-inviting Navy, lol.

Dis-Inviting Navy=hurting TV Contract.......dumbest idea in a while...juz sayn...

I didn't say it was a smart idea. I said it is what I would personally like. My personal preference.

But I would argue with you that Navy doesn't do much for the TV contract. The only Navy "home" game that draws is Army-Navy in Philadelphia.

3 out of 4 of Navy's out of conference games will be nationally televised every year when they join the Big East. Their games against Army, Air Force, and Notre Dame are the type of rivalries BE needs and get decent TV ratings. They are in the Big East for a reason.

(08-17-2012 07:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 07:43 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 07:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Maize, nobody forgot Navy. We were talking about my idea of taking BYU and Fresno and dis-inviting Navy, lol.

Dis-Inviting Navy=hurting TV Contract.......dumbest idea in a while...juz sayn...

I didn't say it was a smart idea. I said it is what I would personally like. My personal preference.

But I would argue with you that Navy doesn't do much for the TV contract. The only Navy "home" game that draws is Army-Navy in Philadelphia.

BYU is a no-brainer, and Fresno would make two teams in California, the biggest state in the country, and a hot recruiting area. And the upside for Fresno (or any other candidate) is MUCH higher than it is for Navy, who is never going to be great in football.

I'm not saying it will happen, b/c I doubt the BE would do that. I'm just saying what I personally prefer, so it's not a dumb idea. It's just MY preference, and I'm a Navy war vet, so I'm certainly not prejudiced against them. Just practical. I never understood why Marinatto and Tranghese were so enamored with the service academies. For football, they don't make a lot of sense to me.

So, go get your own preferences.

I'm likewise a combat Navy vet, and I like having Navy in the BE, for it's tradition and unique status. Navy vs. Army is always a good game for sure, but Navy also plays ND every season, which is another way to keep ND close to the BE. I'm not aware of another BE school that is playing ND every season. So, for that reason, they are a benefit. Secondly, because Navy has been independent, and played a national schedule, they're well known, and their brand name brings their reputation into the BE, making the BE's rep better, by proxy.

No slam against BYU and Fresno, I hope one of them makes the decsision to join the western division, but not at the expense of losing Navy. From a tradition standpoint, Navy is the strongest BE member we have. Something the BE struggles with otherwise. Navy will also play the western division since they already travel coast to coast, as an independent. They like the national exposure, and the BE needs western division teams. No, the Navy is a good fit, here in the BE.

(08-17-2012 08:05 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 07:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 07:43 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 07:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Maize, nobody forgot Navy. We were talking about my idea of taking BYU and Fresno and dis-inviting Navy, lol.

Dis-Inviting Navy=hurting TV Contract.......dumbest idea in a while...juz sayn...

I didn't say it was a smart idea. I said it is what I would personally like. My personal preference.

But I would argue with you that Navy doesn't do much for the TV contract. The only Navy "home" game that draws is Army-Navy in Philadelphia.

BYU is a no-brainer, and Fresno would make two teams in California, the biggest state in the country, and a hot recruiting area. And the upside for Fresno (or any other candidate) is MUCH higher than it is for Navy, who is never going to be great in football.

I'm not saying it will happen, b/c I doubt the BE would do that. I'm just saying what I personally prefer, so it's not a dumb idea. It's just MY preference, and I'm a Navy war vet, so I'm certainly not prejudiced against them. Just practical. I never understood why Marinatto and Tranghese were so enamored with the service academies. For football, they don't make a lot of sense to me.

So, go get your own preferences.

I'm likewise a combat Navy vet, and I like having Navy in the BE, for it's tradition and unique status. Navy vs. Army is always a good game for sure, but Navy also plays ND every season, which is another way to keep ND close to the BE. I'm not aware of another BE school that is playing ND every season. So, for that reason, they are a benefit. Secondly, because Navy has been independent, and played a national schedule, they're well known, and their brand name brings their reputation into the BE, making the BE's rep better, by proxy.

No slam against BYU and Fresno, I hope one of them makes the decsision to join the western division, but not at the expense of losing Navy. From a tradition standpoint, Navy is the strongest BE member we have. Something the BE struggles with otherwise. Navy will also play the western division since they already travel coast to coast, as an independent. They like the national exposure, and the BE needs western division teams. No, the Navy is a good fit, here in the BE.

Well, I doubt geographic divisions win the day, so that argument is out.

I do agree with your thought about Navy playing Notre Dame. That's a good thing for us. That's the only thing I agree with, though.

I disagree that Navy helps the BE's rep, b/c Army didn't do a thing for C-USA.

Now, if BYU says no, then that doubles the consternation for me, b/c that puts AFA back in the mix. Hopefully, they will do like Army, and say no. Again, my problem with ANY service academy is that their entrance requirements are so unique that they will NEVER have the potential to be great, unlike any other typical college program.

JMO. I understand the other side of the argument, which everybody has the right to make. I just happen to disagree with it.

P.S. I only mentioned my Navy service to show that I have no deep-seated prejudice against Navy, lol.